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Owning a super car in Ireland

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    I have a significant birthday in a few years and always fancied a Maserati Quartoporte. Can pick up a 10 year old one for reasonable money, but I'd say unless it was absolute mint and was serviced properly it'd be an absolute money pit. Even at that, I'd suspect still a money pit to run and service.

    Few US websites I read with Maserati enthusiasts reckons to budget $6,000 - $7,000 annually to run it, presumably as a daily driver, which you could probably double here. I'd be using it for weekends / occasional use. Would have also need to factor in the scummers it would attract to my gaff -a bog standard semi-D without a garage.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,213 ✭✭✭PrettyBoy


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    I have a significant birthday in a few years and always fancied a Maserati Quartoporte. Can pick up a 10 year old one for reasonable money, but I'd say unless it was absolute mint and was serviced properly it'd be an absolute money pit. Even at that, I'd suspect still a money pit to run and service.

    Few US websites I read with Maserati enthusiasts reckons to budget $6,000 - $7,000 annually to run it, presumably as a daily driver, which you could probably double here. I'd be using it for weekends / occasional use. Would have also need to factor in the scummers it would attract to my gaff -a bog standard semi-D without a garage.

    Have you watched this yet? I always liked the look of them but this video put me right off ever wanting to own one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 556 ✭✭✭pawdee


    You don't often see supercars where I live (in the sticks) but I did see:

    A Dodge Viper in Castlegregory
    One of those newish ugly Mercs with the gullwing doors (Dublin reg) outside Homebase in Killarney
    Yellow Lamborghini Gallardo outside a bookies in Tralee
    Ferrari 360 (?) in Main Street, Dingle
    White Lamborghini Gallardo (not the Audi engined one) in Camp


    I'd like an underground carpark under the stables of my stately home containing the following:

    Ford GT
    1968 Ferrari 206 GT
    1994 Bentley Continental R (black with oxblood hide)
    Renault Clio V6
    Mercedes 560 SEC
    Renault 5 GT Turbo
    A lowered hearse with flame paint job, side pipes and a coffin sub-woofer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,891 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I don't want a garage full, a single Alfa 33 Stradale will do me plus a runabout.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 386 ✭✭wyf437gn6btzue




    That was never registered, stayed here for a few weeks and quickly departed to spain I think. Was sold soon after. There is one veyron here at the minute but its not registered and is on gb plates. Same guy owns too many ultra rare supercars to list (which all reside here)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,328 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    I saw a 172 Aston Martin Vanquish S in Dublin last week. That must be over €300,000 after they paid the VRT.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,110 ✭✭✭✭neris


    cnocbui wrote: »
    It would be far cheaper to buy an apartment in the north or Uk, live in it occasionally and have the car registered at that address, pay for all the costs associated with the apartment and such, than to pay VRT to import it.

    my friends dad has a Bentley he bought few years ago in UK, VRT was extortionate on it to being ot over here so its kept in a climate controlled car storage place over near Gatwick and uses it a few times a year. Says its cheaper to store it and pay for flights then pay vrt and tax here on it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    PrettyBoy wrote: »
    Have you watched this yet? I always liked the look of them but this video put me right off ever wanting to own one.

    Maybe I'll revert to Plan B. A Honda S2000. Not quite a super car, but would do me. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭redcup342


    I see so many exotic cars around Dusseldorf I'm desensitized to it. :)

    A lot of people keep them in Classic Remise, there's one in Berlin too.

    http://remise.de/Classic-Remise-Duesseldorf-english-summary.php

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTBmP4TmsbefYTCizJ7x4m0vPO8O4sDqraBxaoC0Bm6DmG-NNobRA

    Nice idea, you keep your car garaged in a safe place and people can go and see a whole heap of nice cars for free :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,153 ✭✭✭StereoSound


    Anyone remember seeing a black Dubai registered Lamborghini murcielago around Dublin 2016? I saw it several times.


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    MadYaker wrote: »
    I saw a 172 Aston Martin Vanquish S in Dublin last week. That must be over €300,000 after they paid the VRT.

    My parents old neighbor had 8/10 Astons,
    he even had a full time mechanic that lived on the property:eek:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,288 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    Few US websites I read with Maserati enthusiasts reckons to budget $6,000 - $7,000 annually to run it, presumably as a daily driver, which you could probably double here. I'd be using it for weekends / occasional use.
    Bloody hell! To put that in context I was reading recently about a 1960's Ferrari 250 GT Lusso, worth between a million and two million, the last of the 250 series that included mad cars like the GTO, the SWB etc and the expert in them said 2000 a year would cover maintenance at a specialist. And that's a 60's Ferrari. Then again that could be much of it. Much simpler car and even a competent home mechanic could do most of the servicing on it(retrofit electronic ignition and even more hassle free)*. And apparently they're OK as a "daily" and actually run much more reliably if regularly driven and are more comfortable to drive**

    For me anyway, though I like that they exist I can think of no current supercar that I'd want to have or drive. Maybe the LFA, it seems more useable and being Japanese will likely stay working. And has an exhaust note that sounds like God clearing his throat. :) And not just in Ireland. Ireland is not nearly as bad a place as other countries. Some of the safest roads contrary to some fear mongers, low in crime compared to many and we have some cool roads too. Tax and insurance would be the biggie.

    If I do ever win the lotto(if I ever buy a ticket :)) I'd be a cheap enough collector. I reckon my "perfect" garage would cost less than a million. Much less, though I would have a hankering for one of those above Lusso(slap bigger brakes on it mind you), though something like a Lamborghini 400 GT would cover the 60's V12 too. Or one of the four seater "cheaper" Ferraris from the same era. I'm generally more of a front engined, long bonnet, two seater(or with back seats for small children you hate) RWD type guy anyway.

    Mid engined? I'm a pretty below average driver so not so good in my hands, but I would have an NSX Type R(2nd series), no question and a Lancia Stratos or a Ford RS200 or a Renault 5 Turbo 1, though would love to build an exact copy of the original and purer Countach prototype, before they had to add all the intakes to stop the engine blowing up.

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    Slap something like a Tesla motor into it. I think the languid 70's style Italian model lady comes as standard(with blonde/brunette options). So there's that too.







    ** fun fact: those 60's Ferrari's didn't come with a manual. An not just an owner manual, they didn't have service manuals either. Real old school Italian master apprentice stuff, where the factory mechanics would learn on the job.

    *we can forget that they were cars designed when many Italian and European roads were barely paved, if they were paved at all. The reviewer noted this too as he followed a high end BMW down an English backroad that was a bit lumpy. The BMW lad was very tentative on his rubber band wheels and Nurburgring bred suspension, whereas in the old Italian car he was plough on, be grand.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,238 ✭✭✭darragh o meara


    There is an Irish Reg Lambo owner who posts here from time to time, I’m sure he would answer any of your ownership questions.

    But as already said, there are a lot more Irish reg super cars around than you’d think. Down my direction I know of 2 or 3 Ferrari’s, Porsche 911 GT3 RS and a few other non GT3 911’s,Cayman S’s, Panamera, Maserati Levante and couple of Aston Martins. I don’t live in a major city, far from it in fact..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,110 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Anyone remember seeing a black Dubai registered Lamborghini murcielago around Dublin 2016? I saw it several times.

    There's a middle eastern/gulf reg,d Audi r8 up in Beaumont hospital a lot. Probably doctors or medical students in rcsi who find it cheaper to ship a car over here then just but a top notch Merc bmw or audi


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭jimbis


    I missed getting a a spin in that by mere minutes :(, Friend is related to the owner.
    We also tried to convince him to let us drive it back to the lock up in the uk :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,353 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Yes. You think they got that wealthy by being careless with their money? Wealthy people care about taxes far more than those who aren't.

    While there is truth in that I don't think it adds up in this case. You gonna buy a car for 250K and be worried you get the cheap tax or not or whether your insurance is 2 grand or 3 grand? I don't think so.

    If someone does then there's something wrong with them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,599 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    A neighbour of mine has a Ferrari 360.
    It's probably not a supercar by modern day standards, but definitely still exotic.
    It has Italian plates, but it's been in Ireland for at least the last three years...
    He very rarely drives it though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,891 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    While there is truth in that I don't think it adds up in this case. You gonna buy a car for 250K and be worried you get the cheap tax or not or whether your insurance is 2 grand or 3 grand? I don't think so.

    If someone does then there's something wrong with them.

    How much were you thinking the VRT on a €250,000 car would be? Have you ever personally imported a nice car and made a VRT payment to Revenue?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,353 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    I have actually but still managed to forget about that tbh. I just assumed you buy new and the price is what it is. But I agree thats a fair chunk of money, a supercar could be easily 35% dearer here than elsewhere?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,016 ✭✭✭McCrack


    cnocbui wrote: »
    How much were you thinking the VRT on a €250,000 car would be? Have you ever personally imported a nice car and made a VRT payment to Revenue?

    The point is if someone is wealthy and also a petrol head then tax/vrt/ins and petrol costs are really not likely to factor


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,994 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    McCrack wrote: »
    The point is if someone is wealthy and also a petrol head then tax/vrt/ins and petrol costs are really not likely to factor

    They absolutely are. If your VRT was even 30kEUR, you could easily rent an apartment in the UK and get all the details squared away for half that. Why burn that cash? The VRT on some of the cars in this thread could be multiples of that. You can also get the car at a discount in a larger market that will reduce the price to start with.

    Wealthy people have wealth for a reason. If you want a supercar here, lease it. Only buy a car if it will appreciate or the depreciation is minimal versus the lease cost.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,016 ✭✭✭McCrack


    Perhaps our understanding of personal wealth is different


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,353 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    I was thinking along those lines myself. Not like someone comes to a million and buys a 250k car and 70k in VRT is still a lot of money. You probably would't if you had 'a mere' million. You'd want to have money to a degree where it doesn't really matter before you buy a supercar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    I've seen a merc slr in blanch shopping center a few years ago on Irish plates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭rabbitinlights


    M5/RS6 is the perfect "super" car for Ireland, if you're going to own a proper supercar it makes more sense to have it parked in your house in the south of Spain/France.

    You do see the odd 599/Vantage/612/Gallardo in Dublin but there is very little if any new/modern supercars being bought in Ireland, they are always UK imports over 5/6 years old.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭EPAndlee


    If I'd a Lamborghini or Ferrari I'd be making as much noise as possible through towns but then again I used to do that when I had Jap imports


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,213 ✭✭✭PrettyBoy


    M5/RS6 is the perfect "super" car for Ireland

    They're probably two of the worst cars you could own in Ireland. Any high powered saloons like those will be targeted by thieves to use in robberies. If you buy one of those then expect to be followed home and woken up in the middle of the night by someone holding a boiling kettle over your head asking where the keys are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,251 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    PrettyBoy wrote: »
    They're probably two of the worst cars you could own in Ireland. Any high powered saloons like those will be targeted by thieves to use in robberies. If you buy one of those then expect to be followed home and woken up in the middle of the night by someone holding a boiling kettle over your head asking where the keys are.

    Total Rubbish. If your going to let your fear of things rule your life why have a car at all. I have owned an uber saloon and the insurance companies dont even place them in the highest category. I have also had my house robbed and a car taken and it was a coupe. Robbers are opportunists for the most part and put far less thought into things than you think


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,213 ✭✭✭PrettyBoy


    Total Rubbish. If your going to let your fear of things rule your life why have a car at all. I have owned an uber saloon and the insurance companies dont even place them in the highest category. I have also had my house robbed and a car taken and it was a coupe. Robbers are opportunists for the most part and put far less thought into things than you think

    You're seriously underestimating certain thieves. You owned one and it didn't get stolen - fair enough, you're lucky - but I personally know two people local to me (South Dublin) that have had their high powered saloons (M5 & CLS63 AMG) stolen by thieves that broke into the house in the middle of the night demanding the keys. Plenty of others that have suffered the same misfortune.

    Like it or not, if you're considering buying cars like these then you have to consider the realistic prospect that it will become a target for thieves. The topic has been discussed here: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056587074

    There are just some of the cases that have been reported:

    Stolen M5: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gang-takes-powerful-135000-bmw-at-gunpoint-29756393.html
    Stolen RS4:https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056701251
    Another stolen RS4: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055447484
    Stolen Golf R: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057793021

    So, no - it's not total rubbish.


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