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Frustrated with Turas Nua

  • 14-11-2017 03:27PM
    #1
    Twelve Bar Blues
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭


    I've been on TNs' books for approx 6 months now, and getting more and more frustrated with them.

    I am capable of seeking employment by myself. Unfortunately since my last role (which I had for nearly 9 years) was made redundant I have been finding it extremely difficult to get responses to applications, never mind getting work.

    TN have been of NO assistance to me. They emailed me ONCE about a job that they thought might suit me. ONCE in 6 months.

    When I attend meetings, my 'Personal Adviser' looks up jobs online for me. This I can do, and do do, by myself.
    My PA is more interested in me filling in assessments so they can cross them off as work done, than actually helping me in any productive ways. When I first met TN I was advised of all their contacts in the field, and the tools they would use to assist me.

    They have PC's for us to use, but they don't have the Office Suite on them. So my PA told me I was more than welcome to use our sessions to work on my CV and apply for jobs, but just without Word!

    And I can use her PC (which has Word), and I got to do this once, but there isn't normally time as there is another client waiting for her by the time I'm finished the BS assessments etc.

    And at the end of this when I do find work (please God let it be soon) will my PA be paid a commission on that fact?? I can guarantee that when I do find a job, it will not be through any assistance of TN.

    This has become more of a rant, but surely I'm not alone in feeling like TN is just the next in a long line of money-wasting schemes to appease the powers that be into believing that us unemployed wasters are gaining employment because of said powers genius??


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  • #2
    StereoSound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭StereoSound


    I am about to start with this crowd next week, I have heard awful things about them. I'm absolutely dreading getting involved with them. I guarantee I will find a new job without their help to.


  • #3
    Turnipman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Turnipman


    StereoSound wrote: »

    I guarantee I will find a new job without their help to.

    Presumably you were referred to Turas Nua because you've been unemployed for the past 12 months.

    If you can now "guarantee that you will find a new job without their help" then how come you haven't been able to do so for the past year?


  • #4
    StereoSound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭StereoSound


    Turnipman wrote: »
    Presumably you were referred to Turas Nua because you've been unemployed for the past 12 months.

    If you can now "guarantee that you will find a new job without their help" then how come you haven't been able to do so for the past year?


    You don't have to be 12 months unemployed for them to contact you. I'm only a few months out of a job and I got their letter requesting attendance.


  • #5
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    StereoSound wrote: »
    I am about to start with this crowd next week, I have heard awful things about them. I'm absolutely dreading getting involved with them. I guarantee I will find a new job without their help to.

    Just as soon as you get the job and start then you will be able to finish with TN.
    TN won’t stop you from applying for the full time jobs you are interested in.
    Always, the best way to get rid of TN is to get a job.


  • #6
    Plugguy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭Plugguy


    StereoSound wrote: »
    I am about to start with this crowd next week, I have heard awful things about them. I'm absolutely dreading getting involved with them. I guarantee I will find a new job without their help to.

    When you do get a job without their assistance, they will hound you every week looking for your employer's details.


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  • #7
    Purple Mountain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,652 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    Plugguy wrote: »
    When you do get a job without their assistance, they will hound you every week looking for your employer's details.
    Why?

    To thine own self be true



  • #8
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,445 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Always, the best way to get rid of TN is to get a job.
    From what I hear of this shower, perhaps that's how they operate. Annoy people back to work?


  • #9
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,837 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Plugguy wrote: »
    When you do get a job without their assistance, they will hound you every week looking for your employer's details.
    As far as I know you are under no obligation to tell them. I'd be inclined to blacklist their number if I was in that situation.


  • #10
    Nomis21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Nomis21


    endacl wrote: »
    splinter65 wrote: »
    Always, the best way to get rid of TN is to get a job.
    From what I hear of this shower, perhaps that's how they operate. Annoy people back to work?

    You got that right!


  • #11
    Army_of_One
    Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭Army_of_One


    Purple Mountain wrote: »
    Why?

    They get a bonus for finding you a job iirc


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  • #12
    Twelve Bar Blues
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Twelve Bar Blues


    Purple Mountain wrote: »
    Why?


    this is what I've heard too, and it frustrates me the most.
    The seemingly need the employers details so that they can confirm that you have gained employment with them (and they will check in with said employer and yourself to see how things are going for a while) and so that they can claim their bonus.


  • #13
    Twelve Bar Blues
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Twelve Bar Blues


    StereoSound wrote: »
    I am about to start with this crowd next week, I have heard awful things about them. I'm absolutely dreading getting involved with them. I guarantee I will find a new job without their help to.


    I don't think TN is the worst idea, and it does keep you moving. It's difficult job-searching, especially if you have been at it for a while. Your motivation and confidence can wan. It's the execution of the idea that frustrates me.

    and good luck on your job search!


  • #14
    Plugguy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭Plugguy


    Purple Mountain wrote: »
    Why?

    As other posters' said. Turas Nua collect a payment when their customers/clients get employment. Actually, they collect a payment when the person is in employment for 12, 24, 36 and 52 weeks. They also get a payment when a person registers with them. So, they have the potential to collect 5 payments for every person they have on their books.


  • #15
    Aurora111
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18 ✭Aurora111


    Turnipman wrote: »
    Presumably you were referred to Turas Nua because you've been unemployed for the past 12 months.

    If you can now "guarantee that you will find a new job without their help" then how come you haven't been able to do so for the past year?

    That's what i don't understand. I thought these groups were set up for the long term unemployed
    I was two weeks unemployed when I got the letter, and they have been hounding me for pointless meetins since.
    I pointed out to them that i live 40 minutes from the centre, and it takes a day out of my life to get in there and back with the times the buses run. Just to go in and look for jobs online, or be talked to a lad straight out of college!

    I was told 'you must attend all meetings as you are a jobseeker'

    Nazis.


  • #16
    brendanwalsh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭brendanwalsh


    How do u get this shower off your tail after starting a job ? They keep ringing me looking my employer details, they didn't help me get the job in any way or form


  • #17
    Turnipman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Turnipman


    brendanwalsh wrote: »
    How do u get this shower off your tail after starting a job ? They keep ringing me looking my employer details, they didn't help me get the job in any way or form

    It a bit of a no-brainer. Simply give them the information that they're asking you for and they'll go away!


  • #18
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    brendanwalsh wrote: »
    How do u get this shower off your tail after starting a job ? They keep ringing me looking my employer details, they didn't help me get the job in any way or form

    Can you not just tell them where your working?


  • #19
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Why should they get a commission if they didn’t find him a job?

    He may aswell send me a few quid because I’ve engaged in this thread!


  • #20
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Why should they get a commission if they didn’t find him a job?

    He may aswell send me a few quid because I’ve engaged in this thread!

    What difference does it make to him? He’s not giving them the commission.
    It’s astonishing the amount of people on Jobseekers who couldn’t find a job, but found one instantly when faced with TN or Seetec.
    Mind boggling.


  • #21
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    It should make a difference to all taxpayers. The state is paying them for a job they didn’t do.


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  • #22
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,837 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    brendanwalsh wrote: »
    How do u get this shower off your tail after starting a job ? They keep ringing me looking my employer details, they didn't help me get the job in any way or form
    Has anyone tried asking them to stop calling and telling them that if they persist that they may be in breach of section 10 of the non fatal offences against the person act, and a complaint will be made if they call again.

    "Harassment. 10.—(1) Any person who, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, by any means including by use of the telephone, harasses another by persistently following, watching, pestering, besetting or communicating with him or her, shall be guilty of an offence."

    Either that or just block / blacklist their number.


  • #23
    Faith+1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭Faith+1


    splinter65 wrote: »
    What difference does it make to him? He’s not giving them the commission.
    It’s astonishing the amount of people on Jobseekers who couldn’t find a job, but found one instantly when faced with TN or Seetec.
    Mind boggling.

    Who do you think pays this shower? The Dept of Social Protection .i.e. The Taxpayer.

    The very fact that He/She found work of their own accord means he should block their number or politely tell them to fcuk off.

    I agree with your last comment though.


  • #24
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Faith+1 wrote: »
    Who do you think pays this shower? The Dept of Social Protection .i.e. The Taxpayer.

    The very fact that He/She found work of their own accord means he should block their number or politely tell them to fcuk off.

    I agree with your last comment though.

    If TN/Seetec are “helping” Jobseekers to find a job, either directly or indirectly, then as far as I’m concerned they’re saving us money in the long run and should get their commission.


  • #25
    Sufitzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭Sufitzy


    splinter65 wrote: »
    If TN/Seetec are “helping” Jobseekers to find a job, either directly or indirectly, then as far as I’m concerned they’re saving us money in the long run and should get their commission.

    Yes but the point is in most cases mine included they are not assisting people and claiming that the positions people secure are with help from them when this isn’t always the case.


  • #26
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Sufitzy wrote: »
    Yes but the point is in most cases mine included they are not assisting people and claiming that the positions people secure are with help from them when this isn’t always the case.

    I think it’s fair to say that as a consequence of being referred to TN/Seetec a lot of Jobseekers are coming off the live register.
    Maybe it was just the motivation some people needed, but it is remarkable how many just found a job so quickly.


  • #27
    Sephiroth_dude
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 81,132 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    splinter65 wrote: »
    I think it’s fair to say that as a consequence of being referred to TN/Seetec a lot of Jobseekers are coming off the live register.
    Maybe it was just the motivation some people needed, but it is remarkable how many just found a job so quickly.

    You must work for them do you?


  • #28
    Sufitzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭Sufitzy


    splinter65 wrote: »
    I think it’s fair to say that as a consequence of being referred to TN/Seetec a lot of Jobseekers are coming off the live register.
    Maybe it was just the motivation some people needed, but it is remarkable how many just found a job so quickly.

    Personally I had a part time position and was waiting on a full time position to come up in the same company, I knew this position was only a week or two away but was forced to engage with Seetec and when two weeks after I was offered the full time job they totally took credit for getting me the job, constantly called my employer and even called into my employer to speak to them in person.

    They are so unprofessional so can’t say I blame people not being impressed.


  • #29
    Twelve Bar Blues
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Twelve Bar Blues


    splinter65 wrote: »
    I think it’s fair to say that as a consequence of being referred to TN/Seetec a lot of Jobseekers are coming off the live register.
    Maybe it was just the motivation some people needed, but it is remarkable how many just found a job so quickly.

    when you are sent to Turas Nua / Job Path etc., you are no longer on the live register. It looks like there is a constant drop on the live register, but no way to prove that these drops are due to uptake of people on TN / JB or actually gaining employment.

    Numbers game!!


  • #30
    Plugguy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭Plugguy


    Twelve Bar Blues wrote: »
    when you are sent to Turas Nua / Job Path etc., you are no longer on the live register. It looks like there is a constant drop on the live register, but no way to prove that these drops are due to uptake of people on TN / JB or actually gaining employment.

    Numbers game!!

    You are still on the live register when you participate on Jobpath as you are still in receipt of a Jobseeker's payment.


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  • #31
    brendanwalsh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭brendanwalsh


    They are ringing me now off multiple different numbers, any more and I will make a complaint of harassment


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