"Donegal should be a part of the UK"

bear1 · 22-11-2017 12:35PM #1

Funny how the DUP bang on that the Irish Government are trying to stir nonsense up but then former members come up with this beauty:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/donegal-would-be-better-off-in-uk-claims-unionist-peer-kilclooney-36342196.html

Yep a county that is in the EU would be better off breaking away and joining a nation which has ballsed up their future by leaving the EU... sound logic there and to then also attach themselves to a region which relies on heavy subsidies.
Seems the former DUP member has forgotten how much in EU grants they receive as well.
My favourite is the "It would be great to have it back in with us", last I checked Donegal was never a part of Northern Ireland.
Can't see them still receiving 10 billion a year after 2019 but I guess it's best to hold onto dreams.

DrumSteve · 22-11-2017 12:36PM

bear1 wrote: »

Funny how the DUP bang on that the Irish Government are trying to stir nonsense up but then former members come up with this beauty:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/donegal-would-be-better-off-in-uk-claims-unionist-peer-kilclooney-36342196.html

Yep a county that is in the EU would be better off breaking away and joining a nation which has ballsed up their future by leaving the EU... sound logic there and to then also attach themselves to a region which relies on heavy subsidies.
Seems the former DUP member has forgotten how much in EU grants they receive as well.
My favourite is the "It would be great to have it back in with us", last I checked Donegal was never a part of Northern Ireland.
Can't see them still receiving 10 billion a year after 2019 but I guess it's best to hold onto dreams.

I'm guessing by back with us he meant like before partition

Harry Palmr · 22-11-2017 12:39PM

Looking at partition it is a bit odd that Donegal was not included in the deal, no doubt someone can tell me why it wasn't.

22-11-2017 12:39PM

Would it tip a possible reunification vote?

Nekarsulm · 22-11-2017 12:39PM

I think if Theresa May lasts until March 2019, tbe Brexit date, its only becsuse no other Conservative MP wants the job.
After that date, and a very likely general election, the DUP may find themselves all on their lonesome again.

22-11-2017 12:40PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Looking at partition it is a bit odd that Donegal was not included in the deal, no doubt someone can tell me why it wasn't.

Including it wouldn't have guaranteed a unionist majority.

silverharp · 22-11-2017 12:40PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Looking at partition it is a bit odd that Donegal was not included in the deal, no doubt someone can tell me why it wasn't.

catholic / protestant make up I'd imagine

Guffy · 22-11-2017 12:41PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Looking at partition it is a bit odd that Donegal was not included in the deal, no doubt someone can tell me why it wasn't.

Demographics

topper75 · 22-11-2017 12:41PM

That chap is getting on now.
I wouldn't get irked or upset in any way about his commentary.

Besides, the practice of leaving Donegal for work hardly began in 1921.

Although I would be of that minority view here that leaving the EU is good on the whole for Britain's future, the move is their idea and their problem to solve in all aspects including borders.

Grayson · 22-11-2017 12:41PM

He also misspelled Ireland three different ways

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/offbeat/former-unionist-politician-says-donegal-should-leave-southern-urekand-1.3300847

John Taylor castigated ‘Irekabd’, ‘Irekand’ and ‘Southern Urekand’ for ‘scheming’ with the EU

maybe he was a bit drunk

ancapailldorcha · 22-11-2017 12:43PM

Having lived in a Unionist part of Northern Ireland, it really does seem to me that this moron is about typical of many DUP voters.

Harry Palmr · 22-11-2017 12:43PM

Grayson wrote: »

He also misspelled Ireland three different ways

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/offbeat/former-unionist-politician-says-donegal-should-leave-southern-urekand-1.3300847

maybe he was a bit drunk

Anyone remember when newspapers had sub-editors?

Mint Sauce · 22-11-2017 12:44PM

bear1 wrote: »

Funny how the DUP bang on that the Irish Government are trying to stir nonsense up but then former members come up with this beauty:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/donegal-would-be-better-off-in-uk-claims-unionist-peer-kilclooney-36342196.html

Yep a county that is in the EU would be better off breaking away and joining a nation which has ballsed up their future by leaving the EU... sound logic there and to then also attach themselves to a region which relies on heavy subsidies.
Seems the former DUP member has forgotten how much in EU grants they receive as well.
My favourite is the "It would be great to have it back in with us", last I checked Donegal was never a part of Northern Ireland.
Can't see them still receiving 10 billion a year after 2019 but I guess it's best to hold onto dreams.

I think he means to a time before the formation of the Free State.

Whilst it might be the most Northern County in the ROI, boarders a good chunk of NI, and Leinster House seems to forget its exsistance at time, doesn't mean it should be part of NI. The DUP are just trying to stir things up, on the back of Brexit, and their cosying up to the Tories and Theresa May.

London, can barely afford NI as it is, do you really think they want probably the most remote, population spread of the 26 Counties as well. The Tories are only involved with this crazy party to prop up the government, and have no interest in any hair brained ideas that they may have.

Dopes the lot of them.

Mr.H · 22-11-2017 12:44PM

To be fair if they where part of the UK they probably would have been looked after more than they are as part of Ireland. Donegal are just forgotten about. No public transport, very little in terms of Gardai and Medical care. Even the Broadband is rubbish.

Donegal would have been better off as part of the UK

The J Stands for Jay · 22-11-2017 12:45PM

Ah yes, what a splendid idea. It would be much better to be ignored by London instead of being ignored by Dublin.

Yeah, Donegal would do well in Northern Ireland, just like all the other counties west of the Bann have done so well. There'll be train lines and motorways and all sorts of infrastructure built in Donegal then...

https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/28/the-400m-for-infrastructure-in-the-conservative-dup-agreement-will-only-exacerbate-northern-irelands-east-west-divide/

ancapailldorcha · 22-11-2017 12:46PM

Mr.H wrote: »

To be fair if they where part of the UK they probably would have been looked after more than they are as part of Ireland. Donegal are just forgotten about. No public transport, very little in terms of Gardai and Medical care. Even the Broadband is rubbish.

Donegal would have been better off as part of the UK

Northern Ireland hasn't been looked after at all. Its sole major industry is obtaining handouts from Westminster. At least Donegal will still be part of the EU.

22-11-2017 12:51PM

There is some logic that regional services for Donegal would be more naturally provided by Derry rather than say Galway. (E.g. medical, education)

That doesn't mean becoming part of the UK.

bear1 · 22-11-2017 12:54PM

Mint Sauce wrote: »

I think he means to a time before the formation of the Free State.

Whilst it might be the most Northern County in the ROI, boarders a good chunk of NI, and Leinster House seems to forget its exsistance at time, doesn't mean it should be part of NI. The DUP are just trying to stir things up, on the back of Brexit, and their cosying up to the Tories and Theresa May.

London, can barely afford NI as it is, do you really think they want probably the most remote, population spread of the 26 Counties as well. The Tories are only involved with this crazy party to prop up the government, and have no interest in any hair brained ideas that they may have.

Dopes the lot of them.

+1, I think though that Leo is the first PM in a while to want new things for Donegal or even the NW with his talk of providing better links to the capital.
Whether he actually moves forward with this is another thing.
Gotta love how they are huffing and puffing at the South but yet will be perfectly happy with the government here giving them money to built their A5..

Permabear · 22-11-2017 12:55PM

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Professor Moriarty · 22-11-2017 12:56PM

I can imagine that Taylor's tongue was firmly in his cheek and is very amused at how people react to this.

jmayo · 22-11-2017 12:57PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Looking at partition it is a bit odd that Donegal was not included in the deal, no doubt someone can tell me why it wasn't.

Actually after partition the boundary commission had advised parts of East Donegal should have been in NI and places like South Armagh, South Down, parts of Derry, Tyrone, Fermanagh should be in the Free State.

Mint Sauce · 22-11-2017 12:59PM

Permabear wrote: »

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This. The only benefit of Donegal becoming part of NI, is not having to cross a any sort of border. This fella knows this, the DUP knows it. You only have to go to Derry, Strabane, and Enniskillen, and see all the Donegal Cars.

ancapailldorcha · 22-11-2017 01:01PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I can imagine that Taylor's tongue was firmly in his cheek and is very amused at how people react to this.

Based on what I've seen of the DUP, I can't imagine that.

Avatar MIA · 22-11-2017 01:03PM

bear1 wrote: »

Funny how the DUP bang on that the Irish Government are trying to stir nonsense up but then former members come up with this beauty:

Ah lads, come here to me. This guy was from the UUP.

The rest of the salient points have bee covered. Stirring it, possibly after a few dwinkies and is it too late to transfer Donegal into the UK? :pac: Would make a UI a lot more likely, and a certainty in the not too distant future.

A Little Pony · 22-11-2017 01:03PM

Love Donegal, the lost county. :angel:

Permabear · 22-11-2017 01:04PM

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Avatar MIA · 22-11-2017 01:05PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Love Donegal, the lost county. :angel:

Only if you take Monaghan and Cavan as well.

ohnonotgmail · 22-11-2017 01:06PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Anyone remember when newspapers had sub-editors?

i dont think twitter has sub-editors.

FrancieBrady · 22-11-2017 01:10PM

When the goal was to create a sectarian protestant state for a protestant people why would you have included Donegal?

I suspect Taylor was ar meisce ar dualgas on the auld Black Bush.

Professor Moriarty · 22-11-2017 01:11PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Based on what I've seen of the DUP, I can't imagine that.

Taylor is smarter than that. He has a history of being a maverick and, despite being shot by the IRA and being deeply unionist, he often went against the mainstream.

Avatar MIA · 22-11-2017 01:16PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Taylor is smarter than that. He has a history of being a maverick and, despite being shot by the IRA and being deeply unionist, he often went against the mainstream.

From what I remember he was decent enough, though I think he may have hardened his stance since moving to the House of Lords.

"Donegal should be a part of the UK"

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