RTE "paedophile" exposed (Read Admin note post #1)

end of the road · 21-11-2017 11:59PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

They’ve handed the logs over to the police. As earlier stated, conviction rates have jumped from 11% to 44% with the help of these groups. You seem to be against this.

that figure is alleged only. even then there are a huge amount of factors to take into account.

wakka12 · 22-11-2017 12:01AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

It matters in legal terms, but you’d still be a wrong un if you went over to meet a child.

Yes both are crime if you meet the child obviously, but the other poster said it doesn't make a difference but it does

JenovaProject · 22-11-2017 12:02AM

Some scummy individuals on this thread more concerned about the process of catching paedos than the paedos themselves.

kaymin · 22-11-2017 12:04AM

JenovaProject wrote: »

Some scummy individuals on this thread more concerned about the process of catching paedos than the paedos themselves.

Yes, we should just tie them up and burn them at the stake and run around the fire chanting obscenities just like the vigilante group.

JenovaProject · 22-11-2017 12:06AM

kaymin wrote: »

Yes, we should just tie them up and burn them at the stake and run around the fire chanting obscenities just like the vigilante group.

I don't remember suggesting that.
Could you quote me please?

Outlaw Pete · 22-11-2017 12:06AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkO2_LdgSas

20Cent · 22-11-2017 12:07AM

kaymin wrote: »

Yes, we should just tie them up and burn them at the stake and run around the fire chanting obscenities just like the vigilante group.

Missed that bit of the video.

kaymin · 22-11-2017 12:08AM

20Cent wrote: »

Missed that bit of the video.

You didn't hear their obscenities on the video?

nacho libre · 22-11-2017 12:10AM

kaymin wrote: »

Only one of them remains illegal and rightly so, however, that doesn't stop the natural urges. I imagine most contain the temptation, however, vigilante groups prey on their weaknesses and cause them to do things that they would usually stop themselves doing. That's entrapment and the courts will have to take it into account if that's what happened in this case.

I don't think it's entrapment as they are private citizens, and the accused is the one who initiates contact. Once it is made clear to him/her that he is apparently talking to a child, it is up to them to contain their temptation by ceasing contact. Therefore the blame squarely lays with them. They clearly can't contain their temptation, Kaymin.
These exposures do give me mixed feelings, but if they make others resist temptation then overall they are worth it. Those involved might not be paragon of virtues, and they might be narcissistic, but i can tolerate that.

edit: I note you quoted an Irish Time articles that suggests other groups engage in an entrapment, even if that article is correct, if these adults were resisting temptation, then those looking to entrap them by trawling chat rooms would not have any success. So once again the predator is sorely to blame for not resisting temptation. I have no sympathy for them, Kaymin. It's their family and friends i have sympathy for.

JenovaProject · 22-11-2017 12:10AM

kaymin wrote: »

You didn't hear their obscenities on the video?

Aww somebody said bad words to the paedo.

Chrongen · 22-11-2017 12:10AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

It’s clear to see which side you are on in this debate, I won’t be responding to you again. Disgusting.

You seem to think that there are only 2 sides to this debate, i.e.if you're not pro-vigilante mob then you think paedophilia should be legal.

You probably shouldn't respond.

20Cent · 22-11-2017 12:11AM

kaymin wrote: »

You didn't hear their obscenities on the video?

Heard the language but not the "tie them up and burn them at the stake and run around the fire chanting" bit.

The bad language offends you??
More than the fella trying to rape a child.
ffs

wakka12 · 22-11-2017 12:11AM

JenovaProject wrote: »

Some scummy individuals on this thread more concerned about the process of catching paedos than the paedos themselves.

So you think the video was necessary? That sending evidence to the police, who could carry out an arrest in a much more efficient and professional manner, isn't the best way to go about it?
As I said, its good he was caught. Id say the vigilante group are doing a great job if they didn't make the video and just sent the tip and evidence to police. End result would be the same.
But they make a video, for self entertainment and recognition . If they cared about stopping crimes against children this simply wouldn't be an aspect of their crime fighting

kaymin · 22-11-2017 12:11AM

JenovaProject wrote: »

I don't remember suggesting that.
Could you quote me please?

You don't feel there's a need to follow due process - so instead we should follow mob justice and head back to the dark ages.

PARlance · 22-11-2017 12:17AM

kaymin wrote: »

You don't feel there's a need to follow due process - so instead we should follow mob justice and head back to the dark ages.

Where is the mob justice? They are handing the paedophile over to the police.

Yes, there's vulgar language and yes, they needlessly taunt him... BUT these guys have been dealing with this paedophile for much longer than the 40 mins we see. They've been (whilst acting as a 13 year old girl decoy) receiving all sorts of sick images and texts from him. Personally I would tend not to focus on the fact of them being a bit vulgar and focus more on the guy sending pictures of his dick to what he thinks is a kid.

kaymin · 22-11-2017 12:17AM

nacho libre wrote: »

I don't think it's entrapment as they are private citizens, and the accused is the one who initiates contact. Once it is made clear to him/her that he is apparently talking to a child, it is up to them to contain their temptation by ceasing contact. Therefore the blame squarely lays with them. They clearly can't contain their temptation, Kaymin.
These exposures do give me mixed feelings, but if they make others resist temptation then overall they are worth it. Those involved might not be paragon of virtues, and they might be narcissistic, but i can tolerate that.

edit: I note you quoted an Irish Time articles that suggests other groups engage in an entrapment, even if that article is correct, if these adults were resisting temptation, then those looking to entrap them by trawling chat rooms would not have any success. So once again the predator is sorely to blame for not resisting temptation. I have no sympathy for them, Kaymin. It's their family and friends i have sympathy for.

I would like to see the chat transcript before drawing conclusions. What you seem to suggest is that entrapment is not possible because they should be able to resist temptation no matter what. Clearly that is not the case as entrapment is a known defense.

JenovaProject · 22-11-2017 12:20AM

wakka12 wrote: »

So you think the video was necessary? That sending evidence to the police, who could carry out an arrest in a much more efficient and professional manner, isn't the best way to go about it?
As I said, its good he was caught. Id say the vigilante group are doing a great job if they didn't make the video and just sent the tip and evidence to police. End result would be the same.
But they make a video, for self entertainment and recognition . If they cared about stopping crimes against children this simply wouldn't be an aspect of their crime fighting

They make the video because then the community he lives in know what he's all about.
If they left it to the police he could be released on bail and back living next door to you and you'd be none the wiser.
So yeh I'm not bothered by the video.
I'm delighted a paedo has been exposed.

kaymin · 22-11-2017 12:20AM

PARlance wrote: »

Where is the mob justice? They are handing the paedophile over to the police.

Yes, there's vulgar language and yes, they needlessly taunt him... BUT these guys have been dealing with this paedophile for much longer than the 40 mins we see. They've been (whilst acting as a 13 year old girl decoy) receiving all sorts of sick images and texts from him. Personally I would tend not to focus on the fact of them being a bit vulgar and focus more on the guy sending pictures of his dick to what he thinks is a kid.

I'm not aware that anyone is condoning his behaviour of sending such pictures - it's a given surely that it is unacceptable. So please accept that and maybe open your mind to the other discussion of the rights and wrongs of what the actions of the vigilante group.

Cushie Butterfield · 22-11-2017 12:22AM

Omackeral wrote: »

I asked about this group in Leeds, from this video, in this case. You said they're all unemployed chavs with criminal records, just waiting on your sources for that.....

They usually shy away from the cameras for reasons best known to themselves apart from the area ‘leaders’. However here’s a link to a video made by the guy who did most of the talkng in the recent Leeds incident involving Creaven:

https://www.facebook.com/LeedsExposurePage/videos/vb.1680226615610597/1812730169026907/?type=2&theater

JenovaProject · 22-11-2017 12:22AM

kaymin wrote: »

You don't feel there's a need to follow due process - so instead we should follow mob justice and head back to the dark ages.

Mob justice???
They handed him to the police.

Don't remember suggesting heading back to the dark ages either.
You're making a habit of this.

kaymin · 22-11-2017 12:23AM

PARlance wrote: »

Where is the mob justice? They are handing the paedophile over to the police.

Yes, there's vulgar language and yes, they needlessly taunt him... BUT these guys have been dealing with this paedophile for much longer than the 40 mins we see. They've been (whilst acting as a 13 year old girl decoy) receiving all sorts of sick images and texts from him. Personally I would tend not to focus on the fact of them being a bit vulgar and focus more on the guy sending pictures of his dick to what he thinks is a kid.

I'm referring to the desire of many on this thread that seem to be aghast at those promoting the innocent until proven guilty ideal and the need for due legal process.

kaymin · 22-11-2017 12:23AM

JenovaProject wrote: »

Mob justice???
They handed him to the police.

Don't remember suggesting heading back to the dark ages either.
You're making a habit of this.

Join the dots, will you

PARlance · 22-11-2017 12:24AM

kaymin wrote: »

I'm not aware that anyone is condoning his behaviour of sending such pictures - it's a given surely that it is unacceptable. So please accept that and maybe open your mind to the other discussion of the rights and wrongs of what the actions of the vigilante group.

What are you referring to when you say mob justice?

JenovaProject · 22-11-2017 12:27AM

kaymin wrote: »

Join the dots, will you

I will not join the dots for the picture you have drawn.
You're more worried about vigilantes than paedos...those dots are joined for all to see.

buckwheat · 22-11-2017 12:28AM

Goat of Lochmarne Castle wrote: »

That group are (probably?) doing society a good service but seriously, the ringleader comes across as an unhinged lunatic. His behavior in the video is very unstable, almost manic - not someone I'd be comfortable with having responsibility for enforcing the law.

But they're doing society a good service. I'd say your mans a bit of a c**t alright and is loving the "fame" but he's not responsible for enforcing the law and he knows it. That's why they call the cops.

There is absolutely no doubt that child molesters are being locked up directly as a result of these "stings". That's what matters (to me anyway). 44% is a huge percentage.

buckwheat · 22-11-2017 12:30AM

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

Nonce :rolleyes:

Triggered???

kaymin · 22-11-2017 12:32AM

PARlance wrote: »

What are you referring to when you say mob justice?

Judging by the opinions expressed on this thread, it seems that many would be happy for the guy to be hung drawn and quartered based on the evidence seen to date. What the vigilante group did could constitute entrapment (and provide the guy with a defence) and this needs to be teased out in a court of law. However, many on this thread don't want to hear this and indeed insinuate paedo sympathies / tendencies should anyone mention 'innocent until proven guilty' or the 'need to follow due process'. They've made up their mind already and would condemn him now if they had the chance - that's mob justice.

buckwheat · 22-11-2017 12:33AM

kaymin wrote: »

Actually it makes every difference in a court of law.

The genetic make-up of people varies from heterosexual, gay, bi, preference for an older partner, preference for a younger partner etc. Only one of them remains illegal and rightly so, however, that doesn't stop the natural urges. I imagine most contain the temptation, however, vigilante groups prey on their weaknesses and cause them to do things that they would usually stop themselves doing. That's entrapment and the courts will have to take it into account if that's what happened in this case.

Are you mentally ill? I mean Jesus Christ

buckwheat · 22-11-2017 12:38AM

kaymin wrote: »

You didn't hear their obscenities on the video?

Were the uncouth men with horrid accents using bad language towards the poor misunderstood man who only wanted to bring a wee lassie to the football.

Because THATS what matters:rolleyes:

Ash.J.Williams · 22-11-2017 12:39AM

Well done for catching a genuine paedo but it's a dangerous precedent, perhaps the police could adapt their methods and go legit

RTE "paedophile" exposed (Read Admin note post #1)

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