weldoninhio wrote: » They’ve handed the logs over to the police. As earlier stated, conviction rates have jumped from 11% to 44% with the help of these groups. You seem to be against this.
weldoninhio wrote: » It matters in legal terms, but you’d still be a wrong un if you went over to meet a child.
JenovaProject wrote: » Some scummy individuals on this thread more concerned about the process of catching paedos than the paedos themselves.
kaymin wrote: » Yes, we should just tie them up and burn them at the stake and run around the fire chanting obscenities just like the vigilante group.
20Cent wrote: » Missed that bit of the video.
kaymin wrote: » Only one of them remains illegal and rightly so, however, that doesn't stop the natural urges. I imagine most contain the temptation, however, vigilante groups prey on their weaknesses and cause them to do things that they would usually stop themselves doing. That's entrapment and the courts will have to take it into account if that's what happened in this case.
kaymin wrote: » You didn't hear their obscenities on the video?
weldoninhio wrote: » It’s clear to see which side you are on in this debate, I won’t be responding to you again. Disgusting.
JenovaProject wrote: » I don't remember suggesting that. Could you quote me please?
kaymin wrote: » You don't feel there's a need to follow due process - so instead we should follow mob justice and head back to the dark ages.
nacho libre wrote: » I don't think it's entrapment as they are private citizens, and the accused is the one who initiates contact. Once it is made clear to him/her that he is apparently talking to a child, it is up to them to contain their temptation by ceasing contact. Therefore the blame squarely lays with them. They clearly can't contain their temptation, Kaymin. These exposures do give me mixed feelings, but if they make others resist temptation then overall they are worth it. Those involved might not be paragon of virtues, and they might be narcissistic, but i can tolerate that. edit: I note you quoted an Irish Time articles that suggests other groups engage in an entrapment, even if that article is correct, if these adults were resisting temptation, then those looking to entrap them by trawling chat rooms would not have any success. So once again the predator is sorely to blame for not resisting temptation. I have no sympathy for them, Kaymin. It's their family and friends i have sympathy for.
wakka12 wrote: » So you think the video was necessary? That sending evidence to the police, who could carry out an arrest in a much more efficient and professional manner, isn't the best way to go about it? As I said, its good he was caught. Id say the vigilante group are doing a great job if they didn't make the video and just sent the tip and evidence to police. End result would be the same. But they make a video, for self entertainment and recognition . If they cared about stopping crimes against children this simply wouldn't be an aspect of their crime fighting
PARlance wrote: » Where is the mob justice? They are handing the paedophile over to the police. Yes, there's vulgar language and yes, they needlessly taunt him... BUT these guys have been dealing with this paedophile for much longer than the 40 mins we see. They've been (whilst acting as a 13 year old girl decoy) receiving all sorts of sick images and texts from him. Personally I would tend not to focus on the fact of them being a bit vulgar and focus more on the guy sending pictures of his dick to what he thinks is a kid.
Omackeral wrote: » I asked about this group in Leeds, from this video, in this case. You said they're all unemployed chavs with criminal records, just waiting on your sources for that.....
JenovaProject wrote: » Mob justice??? They handed him to the police. Don't remember suggesting heading back to the dark ages either. You're making a habit of this.
kaymin wrote: » I'm not aware that anyone is condoning his behaviour of sending such pictures - it's a given surely that it is unacceptable. So please accept that and maybe open your mind to the other discussion of the rights and wrongs of what the actions of the vigilante group.
kaymin wrote: » Join the dots, will you
Goat of Lochmarne Castle wrote: » That group are (probably?) doing society a good service but seriously, the ringleader comes across as an unhinged lunatic. His behavior in the video is very unstable, almost manic - not someone I'd be comfortable with having responsibility for enforcing the law.
Iseedeadpixels wrote: » Nonce :rolleyes:
PARlance wrote: » What are you referring to when you say mob justice?
kaymin wrote: » Actually it makes every difference in a court of law. The genetic make-up of people varies from heterosexual, gay, bi, preference for an older partner, preference for a younger partner etc. Only one of them remains illegal and rightly so, however, that doesn't stop the natural urges. I imagine most contain the temptation, however, vigilante groups prey on their weaknesses and cause them to do things that they would usually stop themselves doing. That's entrapment and the courts will have to take it into account if that's what happened in this case.
