Destiny General Discussion Thread

Destiny 1 & 2 are down for 4 hours maintenance starting at 4pm.

Xur is selling some pretty sweet gear this week:

Location:
Titan - The Rig

Gear:
Hard Light
Lucky Raspberry
Synthoceps
Karnstein Armlets.

I actually need 3 of these!

Just need the...

Also, I think the challenge modes were great fun in Wrath of the Machine. The final boss one could be bit of a pain, but when your team was on top of it - damn it was fun. Soundtrack was amazing, running, jumping, gunning, supers everywhere all the time. SO MUCH FUN.

Anyway....

Iron Banner tonight! PVP-TIME!

actually that makes a lot more sense, was thinking why the hell did Bungie/Activision fly them all over to Japan?

AdamD wrote:

Not a single post about the DLC streams...fair to say D2 is dead in the water

Discord was more active in discussing it. Was still a mediocre stream though.

I'm still looking forward to the DLC, and I still have the day booked off work for it (even though it won't drop til 5pm).

But, it really is disappointing based on what we have seen, and I think that is a huge indictment of Bungie and their design decisions.

I think Destiny 2 has been a big misstep, with loads of small bad (imo) decisions that have all ran together to bring us a disappointing (imo) package. It feels like the feedback they should have taken from Destiny 1 was just ignored in the creation of Destiny 2.

I know dev cycles are issues, so to expect CoO to fix the issues people have complained about in D2 is a little too optimistic but:

1. A lot of the design decisions are, imo, obviously wrong and CoO should have been working on improving on things like the Mod system and Vault from the beginning. Maybe we will still see something on that next week. I doubt it though. What annoys me though is Bungie have said a lot of the feedback they have got has simply confirmed the direction they felt the dev would need to go - if thats the case then what are we not seeing the changes?

2. A big complaint in D1 was that the content didn't keep up with the players. We were told, with 2 new studios added to the dev cycle, that they were in a far better situation and were confident of providing a much better content road map. Again - we aren't seeing it. CoO doesn't look substantial imo. It looks like it will be a bit of fun for a bit, but not a real shot in the arm of playable content that is requried (and was required at the same point in D1). This looks almost exactly the same problems content wise that D1 had. WHY?

Additionally, I am bitterly disappointed that PVP isn't getting a refresh or update in this expansion. An expansion based on Osiris, the main focal point behind PVP in D1, and we aren't seeing a PVP change? We aren't seeing a new mode? Sure, I expect us to see some changes based on sandbox changes to weapons, but I'm very disappointed that Bungie looks to have generally ignored PVP, which was in a poor state from launch imo.

cavemeister wrote: »

Did you see the new heroic strike part of the stream??

When it was finished, just before the team opened the loot crate, Deej said "Now lets see this new sweet, sweet loot".. 2 tokens and a armour drop.

The silence from Deej for the next 5 seconds was deafening!!

I reckon after the stream, somebody somewhere got their ass kicked by Deej!

The most rewarding Public Event ever: 2 chests with couple tokens and a blue. Wow. Thanks. Bungo be like....

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I'm still looking forward to the DLC, and I still have the day booked off work for it (even though it won't drop til 5pm).

But, it really is disappointing based on what we have seen, and I think that is a huge indictment of Bungie and their design decisions.

I think Destiny 2 has been a big misstep, with loads of small bad (imo) decisions that have all ran together to bring us a disappointing (imo) package. It feels like the feedback they should have taken from Destiny 1 was just ignored in the creation of Destiny 2.

I know dev cycles are issues, so to expect CoO to fix the issues people have complained about in D2 is a little too optimistic but:

1. A lot of the design decisions are, imo, obviously wrong and CoO should have been working on improving on things like the Mod system and Vault from the beginning. Maybe we will still see something on that next week. I doubt it though. What annoys me though is Bungie have said a lot of the feedback they have got has simply confirmed the direction they felt the dev would need to go - if thats the case then what are we not seeing the changes?

2. A big complaint in D1 was that the content didn't keep up with the players. We were told, with 2 new studios added to the dev cycle, that they were in a far better situation and were confident of providing a much better content road map. Again - we aren't seeing it. CoO doesn't look substantial imo. It looks like it will be a bit of fun for a bit, but not a real shot in the arm of playable content that is requried (and was required at the same point in D1). This looks almost exactly the same problems content wise that D1 had. WHY?

Additionally, I am bitterly disappointed that PVP isn't getting a refresh or update in this expansion. An expansion based on Osiris, the main focal point behind PVP in D1, and we aren't seeing a PVP change? We aren't seeing a new mode? Sure, I expect us to see some changes based on sandbox changes to weapons, but I'm very disappointed that Bungie looks to have generally ignored PVP, which was in a poor state from launch imo.

Also looking forward to it. More destiny so can't really complain. I think that CoO and probably the next DLC were already finished/set in stone ages ago, so they were never going to bring any QOL changes or tweaks like better vault.

The DLC is exactly what I expected, token driven loot, 4x4 pvp, few extra weapons/armour, couple of new strikes and probably a few new and returning exotics. No differences between it and the main D2 game we got. It will take a while for the live team to get stuck it and start weeding out the issues.

So much whinging on the bnet forums and I've only just realised now that it looks like I wont be able to play it until the week after it comes out due to work/being out of the country.


booooooooooo

(i havent watched the streams so i'll be going in blind)

SolvableKnave wrote: »

Watched a Datto vid earlier on the CoO DLC. He thinks, and will most likely be correct, that the DLC will be dismissed and not well received as it does not address any of the issues the playerbase currently sees the game having. For me, I'll take the DLC as it is and base it on that and that alone. How good is the Infinite Forrest. How much replayability is there? How good is the story element. How good are the Strikes and does the Heroic Strike playlist correct some of the issues on that side of the game.

QoL issues should be correctable with the need for any DLC. It's a whole new game engine allowing for easier and quicker changes within the game. The vault should be returned to Weapon / Armour / General / Consumables. We should have the ability to sort our vaults and have that decision stick. We should be able to mass delete shaders. Those I think should be manageable with on the fly game updates.

The economy (Rewards and Tokens) will probably require more time to make any significant changes to as they are both intertwined. Fixed rolls are not bad, but there is nothing to do with multiple drops (Still waiting Luke Smith). Location vendors should have an inventory which the player can purchase from using Tokens and Glimmer/Shards. That way the player can buy what s/he wants at a cost. Make it so that any activity completed in a location rewards Location XP which goes towards ranking up said vendor (Devram Kay in EDZ). We can then boost this reputation with location materials. (XP gains would need to be bumped up a little). This way you keep the RNG drops from factions, but also allow players to purchase a specific item from a location vendor at a cost.

They need to bring back Raid specific perks on weapons / armour. As of right now, the only thing that differentiates raid rewards is cosmetic. These sorts of changes will require more time on Bungies side compared to QoL changes.

So Bungie ignored vast amounts of feedback in Destiny 1, and with their first DLC for Destiny 2 they are going to continue ignoring feedback because they didn't provide any development track to deal with any feedback.

This seems really fecking poor on their part.

Mitch Connor wrote: »

So Bungie ignored vast amounts of feedback in Destiny 1, and with their first DLC for Destiny 2 they are going to continue ignoring feedback because they didn't provide any development track to deal with any feedback.

This seems really fecking poor on their part.

Too bloody right they did, and I am in no way apologising / forgiving / making excuses for them. The messed up. The game is now, too casual everybody wins friendly, and it's a crying shame. They said they learnt their lessons from D1 and it's painfully obvious they haven't. To have a sequel in development and NOT be in communication with the Live team (They would have had charts and tables showing what was in development and due for release during the life cycle of D1 from TTK onwards, when the game really turned a corner) is just pi$$ poor management. D2 is not a true sequel to D1, it's a new game in the same universe with the same characters.

I don't know how (in)feasible it would be, but , ideally, Destiny should be handled like WoW. Each new expansion ADDS to the game, so EVERYTHING is there.

They have taken the game in a different direction and the upcoming DLC is in that direction too. For better or worse. Fundamental changes to that direction will take time.

The Live Team did a great job with Destiny 1, hopefully they can do something similar with Destiny 2.

Bungie are not helping the 'situation' either by being so silent on all the issues that have been raised by the community, or on why they have decided to take the game in the direction they have. A little more communication from them on the much talked about issues and their thoughts, good or bad, on how to address them going forward, would go a long way with the community.