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RTE "paedophile" exposed (Read Admin note post #1)

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  • #722
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    keith_sixteen wrote: »
    Let's just get rid of the police then completely in that case.

    Or, we could require the police and the courts to actually do their jobs - that way, vigilantes wouldn't be needed.


  • #723
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    sabat wrote: »
    It would be extremely easy to destroy someone's life using these vigilantes. What's to stop someone taking your photos off social media, setting up a fake account to chat to adolescents, then using some false pretext to have you at the rendezvous? You'd be announced as a paedophile to the whole world before you could even say wtf, I thought I was meeting Bob for a pint?

    This I agree with. Live streaming and filming this stuff shouldn't be allowed (I fully believe in anonymity for criminal suspects until they have been convicted anyway), but the point still stands - law enforcement and more importantly courts are not doing enough to ensure that people like this are exposed - and that once they are, they literally never again see the light of day.


  • #724
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,306 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    I feel for his family and friends getting abuse from absolute degenerates on Facebook...


  • #725
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Or, we could require the police and the courts to actually do their jobs - that way, vigilantes wouldn't be needed.

    Vigilantes are never 'needed' but at the same time how can you expect a police to have all crimes under control and solved at all times? Theres always going to be a paedophile at large, thinking of abusing a child. Theres too many for the the best most efficient police force in the world to be aware of every paedophile much less have the resources to monitor them all.

    Just impossible. Paedophilia is an endemic problem that will plague humanity forever until theres some type of technology to cure the illness in the brain

    Also we must remember that the vast majority of paedophilia occurs behind closed doors, by family members. Which makes it even harder to keep control of than it already is
    Cases of strangers meeting children from online and raping them are probably less than 1% of cases of paedophilia


  • #726
    kaymin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭kaymin


    'The UK groups use similar tactics. They trawl chat rooms pretending to be children or young teens in the hope of engaging men before asking them to meet in real life, usually in a public location like a coffee shop.

    If the target agrees to meet, the group shows up and confronts the man, usually in a highly public fashion.'

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/uk-police-take-a-dim-view-of-controversial-vigilante-groups-1.3298543

    In criminal law, entrapment is a practice whereby a police officer induces a person to commit a criminal offence that the person would have otherwise been unlikely or unwilling to commit.

    So, in some cases, these vigilante groups aren't actually doing society a service but instead may be ruining the life of someone that otherwise would never have offended. They should leave it to the professionals imo


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  • #727
    holyhead
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭holyhead


    I feel sorry for his family. He has destroyed his life. Credit to the group that cornered him and in effect brought him to justice. He looks like your average middle age Joe soap. You do wonder what goes through the mind of someone like this guy. His life is more or less over now, of course not in the literal sense but in effect. It made me think about all the people that I passed in the street today. What are they really like?


  • #728
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    kaymin wrote: »
    'The UK groups use similar tactics. They trawl chat rooms pretending to be children or young teens in the hope of engaging men before asking them to meet in real life, usually in a public location like a coffee shop.

    If the target agrees to meet, the group shows up and confronts the man, usually in a highly public fashion.'

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/uk-police-take-a-dim-view-of-controversial-vigilante-groups-1.3298543

    In criminal law, entrapment is a practice whereby a police officer induces a person to commit a criminal offence that the person would have otherwise been unlikely or unwilling to commit.

    So, in some cases, these vigilante groups aren't actually doing society a service but instead may be ruining the life of someone that otherwise would never have offended. They should leave it to the professionals imo

    Well I don't know about the specifics of the case. But the rte guy asked the child to meet several times I believe without her initiating the topic? And also if the perp messages the fake child then thats not entrapment, maybe this is what happened in this case?


  • #729
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    I feel for his family and friends getting abuse from absolute degenerates on Facebook...

    And that's a big problem that comes from these groups streaming videos.
    But others gloss over this fact.
    And say fuxk them.
    Those poor people did nothing.

    A big part of the reason why the police don't want these groups to do this
    (streaming) by all means video it. Then just pass the video to the police.
    But no, idiots don't discriminate from a pedo to a family that knew nothing about it. Yet are getting abuse for it


  • #730
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sorry if this has been covered.....but why 'RTE' paedophile?

    If he worked for master carpets would that have made the thread title?


  • #731
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,955 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    The lowest age of consent in Europe ,Vatican City, 12 years old.
    That is kinda weird considering history.


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  • #732
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,955 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Sorry if this has been covered.....but why 'RTE' paedophile?

    If he worked for master carpets would that have made the thread title?

    He preferred a smooth floor by all accounts.


  • #733
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    He preferred a smooth floor by all accounts.

    Ah here!


  • #734
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,955 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ah here!

    He walked into, a bit like RTE guy .


  • #735
    kaymin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭kaymin


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Well I don't know about the specifics of the case. But the rte guy asked the child to meet several times I believe without her initiating the topic? And also if the perp messages the fake child then thats not entrapment, maybe this is what happened in this case?

    How do you know he asked the child to meet several times? I understand that he cancelled once already due to having a cold or possibly was it cold feet.

    There's nothing illegal about messaging a child per se and sending a message doesn't discount entrapment - it depends on how the conversation progressed into the sexual sphere - was the vigilante group leading it down that path to serve their own objectives?

    I'm not aware the chat log has been made public so I don't know where you are getting your information from?


  • #736
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Vigilantes are never 'needed' but at the same time how can you expect a police to have all crimes under control and solved at all times? Theres always going to be a paedophile at large, thinking of abusing a child. Theres too many for the the best most efficient police force in the world to be aware of every paedophile much less have the resources to monitor them all.

    Just impossible. Paedophilia is an endemic problem that will plague humanity forever until theres some type of technology to cure the illness in the brain

    Also we must remember that the vast majority of paedophilia occurs behind closed doors, by family members. Which makes it even harder to keep control of than it already is
    Cases of strangers meeting children from online and raping them are probably less than 1% of cases of paedophilia

    If this group of people was able to operate a few fake Facebook profiles and convince some scumbags to meet them for sex, I'm pretty sure the cops could do the same. And the proportions are irrelevant - even if you only catch one person, that's one less scumbag on the streets free to hurt others.


  • #737
    Lackey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Lackey


    Strazdas wrote: »
    I'd be against it myself. Self appointed vigilantes have no role in a civilised society. If the police were mounting an operation to catch people like these, that would be absolutely fine but I would be extremely wary of the motives of any private citizens doing this stuff....I can't help thinking a lot of them are probably scumbags themselves looking for some form of fame or validation.

    When you see scumbags walking away from our courts with 80+ convictions, including the lenient sentences that are handed down for sex crimes.....
    people taking things into their own hands is no surprise.

    I'm sure we would all like to be against it...until its one of our kids on the wrong end of it.


  • #738
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    Lackey wrote: »
    When you see scumbags walking away from our courts with 80+ convictions, including the lenient sentences that are handed down for sex crimes.....
    people taking things into their own hands is no surprise.

    I'm sure we would all like to be against it...until its one of our kids on the wrong end of it.

    That's the courts, nothing to do with the hard work the police force put in to the case.


  • #739
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    wakka12 wrote: »
    All fair enough, but why pretend to be children? Why not try to track down actual paedophile groups that are currently abusing children as we speak, and trying to save them?
    Rather than ensnaring brain dead 50 year olds on the internet who are deluded enough to think a 13 year old girl wants to sleep with them
    I won't say what they're doing is 'bad' or useless, but they're not the gods gift to society youre making them out to be

    I presume you skipped this - which I posted earlier..

    :...the BBC revealed that 44% of prosecutions in 2016 for the crime of meeting a child after sexual grooming in England, Wales and Northern Ireland used vigilante evidence - up from 11% in 2011.

    Chief Constable Simon Bailey, who works as the national lead for child protection, admitted, “I think [working with them]'s something we're going to have to potentially have to look at, yes, but it comes with some real complexity."

    Source: https://www.irishcentr...exual-activity-child

    Like it or not it would appear that these groups are making some signifiant impacts with regard to the collection and use of evidence in relevant court cases

    As why they set up string operations using a child's profile - well duh! Paedophiles target children. Like flies to ****- it's a sure fire way of catching the scum who would abuse children - just like the cnut they handed over to the police in Leeds.


  • #740
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Omackeral wrote: »
    He's the very same poster who cries ''proof proof'' when the shoe is on the other foot. I just knew he'd be against this in one way another. Chap is forever saying ''if you know something, inform the authorities.'' These guys actually have. They've done that from the off. They probably are sick to death of sh*t like this happening in their country so they took a well researched, pro-active and legal method of combating it. They gave the perp no chance of a tip off so that he could cover his tracks and now everyone that knows of him knows he's a dirty nonce in the making and not to leave their kids near him. Bravo.

    Omackeral wrote: »
    Well it seems they bloody well are. This fella would've still been carrying on today if it weren't for these guys.




    If that's true, which you can't prove either way Mr Proofseeker, so what? It highlights these dangerous predators for what they are, opportune would-be rapists. Of course you'll see a negative in that though.

    absolutely, i don't trust these groups. get rid.

    Omackeral wrote: »
    Neil, people on here will defend just about anything my man. Some of whom are on this thread.

    nope wrong,
    makey uppy nonsense and whataboutery.
    people can be happy paedophiles and similar are locked up but also agree with many different points on the issue.
    Omackeral wrote: »
    A multitude of reasons

    -Probably because they are sick to the back teeth of cases involving children being defiled, like most decent folks are.
    - Perhaps they know of people's children who have been harmed or potentially were going to be harmed. Maybe they themselves were targets as kids.
    - Possibly because the police aren't doing enough or can't do enough.
    - Or maybe they just hate sexual predators and they have the actual balls to go confront them and turn them over to the authorities with relevant evidence.

    i'm sorry, but an adult pretending to be a child, off their own back, is not normal behaviour. the police being paid to do it as part of their job is a different story, but some random person doing it off their own back is just not normal behaviour.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #741
    [Deleted User]
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    deco nate wrote: »
    And that's a big problem that comes from these groups streaming videos.
    But others gloss over this fact.
    And say fuxk them.
    Those poor people did nothing.

    A big part of the reason why the police don't want these groups to do this
    (streaming) by all means video it. Then just pass the video to the police.
    But no, idiots don't discriminate from a pedo to a family that knew nothing about it. Yet are getting abuse for it

    That's hard to argue against in all honesty. It's sad. I agree with you. Never really thought of it from that point of view.


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  • #742
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Strazdas wrote: »
    And why not go after drug dealers in the same manner? I would imagine that would be ripe territory for a sting, in fact far easier to set up than one on paedophiles.

    Because such groups already exist? What exactly is wrong other groups targeting paedophiles. Why do you have such a problem with this?

    So it's not easy - but yes it can be done and successfully.


  • #743
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    end of the road wrote: »
    absolutely, i don't trust these groups. get rid.

    To use one of your sayings, doesn't matter a jot what you trust or don't trust. People will weed these scum out.

    nope wrong,
    makey uppy nonsense and whataboutery.

    Double nope (that beats nope, btw). People on here have defended a multitude of things, including the shouting of Allah Akbar in our airports. I can easily link if you need proof proof proof.


    i'm sorry, but an adult pretending to be a child, off their own back, is not normal behaviour. the police being paid to do it as part of their job is a different story, but some random person doing it off their own back is just not normal behaviour.

    An adult trying to meet kids for sex isn't normal behaviour. If the police, who you often say are undermanned, can't catch them all, then people using a means to an end to help them is alright by many on here it seems. All legal, no violence, police informed... just how you like it EOTR.


  • #744
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    In Russian there are still anti gay vigil aunties roaming the streets, and not so long ago it was same here. I'm not saying we'll have a paedo Prime Minister anytime soon, but the only defence RTE guy has is that Lady Gaga song
    '' Baby I Was Born This Way ''
    Even today in parts of this world we live parents send their children off to be cured of being gay.Maybe RTE guy is wired the way he is because of the make up of his biology or genetics.

    I really don't believe you just tried to equate
    Consenting adults on one hand and
    the activities of predatory adults targeting children on the other

    Paedophilia is a psychiatric condition.

    Being gay is not.

    I swear this thread is increasingly becoming a cesspool of sick and depraved type commentary ...


  • #745
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Omackeral wrote: »
    People on here have defended a multitude of things, including the shouting of Allah Akbar in our airports. I can easily link if you need proof proof proof.

    what others have defended on other threads isn't relevant to this thread. if you would like to debate with me on the other issues you have, we can debate it on the other relevant threads.
    Omackeral wrote: »
    An adult trying to meet kids for sex isn't normal behaviour.

    agreed.

    QUOTE=Omackeral;105328051]If the police, who you often say are undermanned, can't catch them all, then people using a means to an end to help them is alright by many on here it seems. All legal, no violence, police informed... just how you like it EOTR.[/QUOTE]

    well if they want to defend people pretending to be children thats on them, i suggest there is something not quite right myself. it's not normal behaviour.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #746
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,955 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    gozunda wrote: »
    I really don't believe you just tried to equate
    Consenting adults on one hand and
    the activities of predatory adults targeting children on the other

    Paedophilia is a psychiatric condition.

    Being gay is not.

    I swear this thread is increasingly becoming a cesspool of sick and depraved type commentary ...

    He broke the law.


  • #747
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,803 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    gozunda wrote: »
    Because such groups already exist? What exactly is wrong other groups targeting paedophiles. Why do you have such a problem with this?

    So it's not easy - but yes it can be done and successfully.

    As I said further up the thread, there's a real risk you're 'creating' criminals where none exist. A pervert or potential predator only becomes a threat to society if he (or she) is actually acting out his desires and meeting and abusing people. If the vigilantes are luring people who have never actually abused anyone, then it is debatable if they achieved anything and this would also be counterbalanced by the trauma, distress and shame they have caused to the family, relatives and friends of that individual. Saying that all of this would be down to the perv and nothing whatsoever to do with the vigilantes is a cop out - they're the ones who have turned this stuff into a career and a mission.


  • #748
    [Deleted User]
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    end of the road wrote: »
    what others have defended on other threads isn't relevant to this thread. if you would like to debate with me on the other issues you have, we can debate it on the other relevant threads.

    That's rich because I was replying and quoting to Neil Issagum with the 'people will defend anything on here' line. It was relevant to the conversation I was having with that user and, yes, I feel some people on here do defend some questionable stuff. Anyway, you don't really engage in proper debate IMO, it's just ''nope, proof, wrong, fact'' in no particular order.

    end of the road wrote: »
    well if they want to defend people pretending to be children thats on them, i suggest there is something not quite right myself. it's not normal behaviour.

    Well you can suggest it's not quite normal but then I can also suggest, quite confidentially, that doing that is far far far far far far *deep breath* far far far far far more normal than grooming kids online for sex. This creep had 52 real life girls on a secret FB page too. He was willing to meet this decoy to commit rape in a hotel. He'd quite feasibly have done it to one of those 52.


  • #749
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Hannibal_Smith wrote: »
    Vigilantes trap a fella who has planned to meet up with a 13 year old. Naughty vigilantes. If they're wrong, they're wrong, it'll come out in the wash. If they're right, look at what they've caught! But don't focus on that....focus on those naughty vigilantes :rolleyes:

    Tell that to Darren Kelly who was stabbed to death after a vigilante sting operation by another paedophile hunter group in Essex. He was lured to a meeting and killed by the group because he was resisting. Oh and he was resisting because he was completely innocent (text messages proved he was led to believe he was meeting a grown woman).


    "Speaking after the hearing senior investigating officer Detective Chief Inspector Stephen Jennings said: “While nothing will bring Darren back, we hope the verdict will help give his family some closure so they can move forward.

    “Darren was viciously attacked and lost his life due to the completely unfounded belief that he intended to meet an underage girl.

    “Essex Police strongly deter anyone from vigilante behaviour at any level. They could be acting upon inaccurate information and putting innocent people at serious risk.

    “Anyone who has a genuine concern about potential criminal activity should always contact us so that we can investigate and not take the law into their own hands."


    Win some, lose some I suppose, right?


  • #750
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    end of the road wrote: »

    well if they want to defend people pretending to be children thats on them, i suggest there is something not quite right myself. it's not normal behaviour.

    Adults targeting young children for sex is not normal behaviour either and yet you fail to mention this. Why?

    Are those attempting to stop such behaviour really deserving of your derision? Not everyone may agree with the methods however the proof that their operations do work are there for all to see.


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  • #751
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    Omackeral wrote: »
    That's hard to argue against in all honesty. It's sad. I agree with you. Never really thought of it from that point of view.

    Sorry, I wasn't on point yesterday when I posted my views on those groups. I just assumed people would understand my point at the time. But looking back at my post and replys. I found out I omitted this part of my argument. That is on me.
    It's a pity I didn't put this as the main point. Again, sorry


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