keith_sixteen wrote: » Let's just get rid of the police then completely in that case.
sabat wrote: » It would be extremely easy to destroy someone's life using these vigilantes. What's to stop someone taking your photos off social media, setting up a fake account to chat to adolescents, then using some false pretext to have you at the rendezvous? You'd be announced as a paedophile to the whole world before you could even say wtf, I thought I was meeting Bob for a pint?
hatrickpatrick wrote: » Or, we could require the police and the courts to actually do their jobs - that way, vigilantes wouldn't be needed.
kaymin wrote: » 'The UK groups use similar tactics. They trawl chat rooms pretending to be children or young teens in the hope of engaging men before asking them to meet in real life, usually in a public location like a coffee shop. If the target agrees to meet, the group shows up and confronts the man, usually in a highly public fashion.'https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/uk-police-take-a-dim-view-of-controversial-vigilante-groups-1.3298543 In criminal law, entrapment is a practice whereby a police officer induces a person to commit a criminal offence that the person would have otherwise been unlikely or unwilling to commit. So, in some cases, these vigilante groups aren't actually doing society a service but instead may be ruining the life of someone that otherwise would never have offended. They should leave it to the professionals imo
Ash.J.Williams wrote: » I feel for his family and friends getting abuse from absolute degenerates on Facebook...
Deleted User wrote: » Sorry if this has been covered.....but why 'RTE' paedophile? If he worked for master carpets would that have made the thread title?
BorneTobyWilde wrote: » He preferred a smooth floor by all accounts.
Deleted User wrote: » Ah here!
wakka12 wrote: » Well I don't know about the specifics of the case. But the rte guy asked the child to meet several times I believe without her initiating the topic? And also if the perp messages the fake child then thats not entrapment, maybe this is what happened in this case?
wakka12 wrote: » Vigilantes are never 'needed' but at the same time how can you expect a police to have all crimes under control and solved at all times? Theres always going to be a paedophile at large, thinking of abusing a child. Theres too many for the the best most efficient police force in the world to be aware of every paedophile much less have the resources to monitor them all. Just impossible. Paedophilia is an endemic problem that will plague humanity forever until theres some type of technology to cure the illness in the brain Also we must remember that the vast majority of paedophilia occurs behind closed doors, by family members. Which makes it even harder to keep control of than it already is Cases of strangers meeting children from online and raping them are probably less than 1% of cases of paedophilia
Strazdas wrote: » I'd be against it myself. Self appointed vigilantes have no role in a civilised society. If the police were mounting an operation to catch people like these, that would be absolutely fine but I would be extremely wary of the motives of any private citizens doing this stuff....I can't help thinking a lot of them are probably scumbags themselves looking for some form of fame or validation.
Lackey wrote: » When you see scumbags walking away from our courts with 80+ convictions, including the lenient sentences that are handed down for sex crimes..... people taking things into their own hands is no surprise. I'm sure we would all like to be against it...until its one of our kids on the wrong end of it.
wakka12 wrote: » All fair enough, but why pretend to be children? Why not try to track down actual paedophile groups that are currently abusing children as we speak, and trying to save them? Rather than ensnaring brain dead 50 year olds on the internet who are deluded enough to think a 13 year old girl wants to sleep with them I won't say what they're doing is 'bad' or useless, but they're not the gods gift to society youre making them out to be
:...the BBC revealed that 44% of prosecutions in 2016 for the crime of meeting a child after sexual grooming in England, Wales and Northern Ireland used vigilante evidence - up from 11% in 2011. Chief Constable Simon Bailey, who works as the national lead for child protection, admitted, “I think [working with them]'s something we're going to have to potentially have to look at, yes, but it comes with some real complexity." Source: https://www.irishcentr...exual-activity-child Like it or not it would appear that these groups are making some signifiant impacts with regard to the collection and use of evidence in relevant court cases
Omackeral wrote: » He's the very same poster who cries ''proof proof'' when the shoe is on the other foot. I just knew he'd be against this in one way another. Chap is forever saying ''if you know something, inform the authorities.'' These guys actually have. They've done that from the off. They probably are sick to death of sh*t like this happening in their country so they took a well researched, pro-active and legal method of combating it. They gave the perp no chance of a tip off so that he could cover his tracks and now everyone that knows of him knows he's a dirty nonce in the making and not to leave their kids near him. Bravo.
Omackeral wrote: » Well it seems they bloody well are. This fella would've still been carrying on today if it weren't for these guys. If that's true, which you can't prove either way Mr Proofseeker, so what? It highlights these dangerous predators for what they are, opportune would-be rapists. Of course you'll see a negative in that though.
Omackeral wrote: » Neil, people on here will defend just about anything my man. Some of whom are on this thread.
Omackeral wrote: » A multitude of reasons -Probably because they are sick to the back teeth of cases involving children being defiled, like most decent folks are. - Perhaps they know of people's children who have been harmed or potentially were going to be harmed. Maybe they themselves were targets as kids. - Possibly because the police aren't doing enough or can't do enough. - Or maybe they just hate sexual predators and they have the actual balls to go confront them and turn them over to the authorities with relevant evidence.
deco nate wrote: » And that's a big problem that comes from these groups streaming videos. But others gloss over this fact. And say fuxk them. Those poor people did nothing. A big part of the reason why the police don't want these groups to do this (streaming) by all means video it. Then just pass the video to the police. But no, idiots don't discriminate from a pedo to a family that knew nothing about it. Yet are getting abuse for it
Strazdas wrote: » And why not go after drug dealers in the same manner? I would imagine that would be ripe territory for a sting, in fact far easier to set up than one on paedophiles.
end of the road wrote: » absolutely, i don't trust these groups. get rid.
nope wrong, makey uppy nonsense and whataboutery.
i'm sorry, but an adult pretending to be a child, off their own back, is not normal behaviour. the police being paid to do it as part of their job is a different story, but some random person doing it off their own back is just not normal behaviour.
BorneTobyWilde wrote: » In Russian there are still anti gay vigil aunties roaming the streets, and not so long ago it was same here. I'm not saying we'll have a paedo Prime Minister anytime soon, but the only defence RTE guy has is that Lady Gaga song '' Baby I Was Born This Way '' Even today in parts of this world we live parents send their children off to be cured of being gay.Maybe RTE guy is wired the way he is because of the make up of his biology or genetics.
Omackeral wrote: » People on here have defended a multitude of things, including the shouting of Allah Akbar in our airports. I can easily link if you need proof proof proof.
Omackeral wrote: » An adult trying to meet kids for sex isn't normal behaviour.
gozunda wrote: » I really don't believe you just tried to equate Consenting adults on one hand and the activities of predatory adults targeting children on the other Paedophilia is a psychiatric condition. Being gay is not. I swear this thread is increasingly becoming a cesspool of sick and depraved type commentary ...
gozunda wrote: » Because such groups already exist? What exactly is wrong other groups targeting paedophiles. Why do you have such a problem with this? So it's not easy - but yes it can be done and successfully.
end of the road wrote: » what others have defended on other threads isn't relevant to this thread. if you would like to debate with me on the other issues you have, we can debate it on the other relevant threads.
end of the road wrote: » well if they want to defend people pretending to be children thats on them, i suggest there is something not quite right myself. it's not normal behaviour.
Hannibal_Smith wrote: » Vigilantes trap a fella who has planned to meet up with a 13 year old. Naughty vigilantes. If they're wrong, they're wrong, it'll come out in the wash. If they're right, look at what they've caught! But don't focus on that....focus on those naughty vigilantes :rolleyes:
Omackeral wrote: » That's hard to argue against in all honesty. It's sad. I agree with you. Never really thought of it from that point of view.
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