RTE "paedophile" exposed (Read Admin note post #1)

silverharp · 20-11-2017 09:37AM

splinter65 wrote: »

But a paedophile is not necessarily someone who has, or will ever, abuse a child.
Any kind of lynch mob does more harm then good.
These glory hunters baying for blood and posting their exploits on social media are just driving paedophiles who WOULD seek to harm a child further underground, where they won’t be detected, ever.

or hundreds of could go either way walter mitty types just saw their life flash before them and have been scared back on track

MilesMorales1 · 20-11-2017 09:40AM

I'm all for the existence of these groups in theory in the sense of them gathering evidence to hand over to the police, but then filming and splashing it all over social media seems like glory hunting and endangering the actual work to get a successful prosecution.

silverharp · 20-11-2017 09:43AM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

I'm all for the existence of these groups in theory in the sense of them gathering evidence to hand over to the police, but then filming and splashing it all over social media seems like glory hunting and endangering the actual work to get a successful prosecution.

its their own work and this guy's life is over based on the video and what he had to have done to end up in leeds

FishOnABike · 20-11-2017 09:46AM

Strazdas wrote: »

The counter argument is that the vigilantes are "creating" criminals. A lot of the guys they seem to catch are middle aged saddos and loners and one wonders if many of them pose any threat to society or if they have committed any other crimes at all.

Then these middle aged saddos and loners should get a 'normal' hobby, not friend underage girls, send them explicit pictures and arrange to meet them.

wonderfullife · 20-11-2017 09:54AM

TallGlass wrote: »

Sorry, I meant more so that it is possible to get a conviction/sentence from his actions. But that's down to the judge.

I think he is fairly snookered to be honest. At minimum he is going on the sex offenders register, he won't be coming back to a job either or friends. He's basically ruined his life.

Agree he's probably goosed if he's guilty, he'll lose everything that matters to him. He won't do much (if any) real jail time because it's a victimless crime and it's by all accounts his first criminal offence of any kind.

Still, if that story about the 52 underage friends on facebook is true, it tells a tale that he wasn't charged with grooming any of them and wasn't charged with soliciting indecent images.

As unpalatable as it sounds, it goes to show it's not a crime to merely be friends with a bunch of underage girls on social media.

What it does show is the one fake account run by adult cowards veered the conversation in ways genuine children would never do. I say cowards because that's what they are. Showing up in numbers, mostly hiding behind anonymity, to confront, name and shame one person and find them guilty without trial in some kangaroo court.

I find it impossible to believe if he was actively intent on grooming children that the police didn't find any further evidence from his chats with the other 52 girls. No messages asking for photos. No messages suggesting meeting. No requests to swap phone numbers. Nada. And it was clearly nada from the fact he wasn't charged with anything else.

Any creative lawyer worth their salt could fight this charge though, so we'll see what way he pleads. In these cases a lot of them plead guilty just to get it over with rather than face a prolonged trial.

M5 · 20-11-2017 09:54AM

I guess Jimmy Saville can now be pardoned, as he too could be described as having a flamboyant personality?

Pac1Man · 20-11-2017 09:56AM

M5 wrote: »

I guess Jimmy Saville can now be pardoned, as he too could be described as having a flamboyant personality?

That's the other thread.

MilesMorales1 · 20-11-2017 09:58AM

silverharp wrote: »

its their own work and this guy's life is over based on the video and what he had to have done to end up in leeds

Thats fine, but what does putting it on facebook do except validate that groups feelings? When if they handed it over to the cops, there would be ample evidence to make an arrest.

Hector Savage · 20-11-2017 09:59AM

TallGlass wrote: »

I'm 50/50 on these groups to be honest, due to the English Police saying that the groups actions although in good faith can sometimes make a mess of the chain of evidence/custody, by releasing images footage before trial etc..

At the same time, it's good to get these creeps off the streets.

It's not good faith, it's virtue signaling and making themselves feel better.

If they get all this evidence why not hand it to the police and they can prosecute and charge successfully - making this public just makes it easier for their defense.

These people don't give a **** about victims of sexual abuse, all their looking for is someone to make themselves feel big - scumbags chasing scumbags.

do they donate to the Rape Crisis centre ?
Do they volunteer to help victims of sexual abuse ?

Do they **** !!!

SEPT 23 1989 · 20-11-2017 10:09AM

Amazing to see people attacking the group who nailed this toerag

Do you have daughters?

gozunda · 20-11-2017 10:10AM

wonderfullife wrote:

I'm sure you're aware being charged with a crime still means you're innocent right? You get that whole concept?

Yes indeed. I do. Despite your apparent attempt to lauch an attack on the veracity of the actual facts and whether or not he should ever even been arrested. It remains he has been arrested, charged and arranged for court. Got that have you?

You said

wonderfullife wrote:

We don't know if this gentleman from RTE would ever have abused a child if we "just waited". The likelihood is that he would never have acted upon his impulses because the vast majority of paedophiles never act upon them and have no intention of ever committing a crime.

They is one huge piece of presumption. And I wait with baited breath for his barrister to drop that in the lap of the presiding judge. Lol.

wonderfullife wrote:

I'm interested in anything related to suicide prevention and after reading up on these vigilante groups I've read they are responsible for 4 reported deaths by suicide and none of the 4 died guilty men (all pre-trial), 1 of them wasn't even charged yet (though the police said they were considering bringing a charge). I'm certain they will be responsible for far more deaths in the future too and from innocent men.

More Whataboutery? Are you assigning direct blame without supporting information?. Nice.

Do we know if your opinions on this are at all relevant to this group? A much better question is what is the rate of suicide among all those arrested / charged for similar type offences. Is it perhaps that those arrested / charged with paedophilia (informal use of the term btw!) knowing that there lives are effectively over are more prone to taking an exit strategy?

wonderfullife wrote:

...they're not helping anyone. All the literature from experts, from forensic criminologists and sexologists points to the fact the overwhelming majority of paedophiles don't commit any crimes and the majority of child molestors are not paedophiles.

They "don't commit" or "don't get caught"? Semantics are a wonderful thing. The fact is this guy was caught. Get over it. We will wait to see if he gets convicted by the courts thanks.

wonderfullife wrote:

...So these vigilante groups are likely not saving anyone elses child from abuse because the likelihood is they'd never have acted upon those impulses.
They're not even helping the police (who have spoken out against them because of the potential to ruin police investigations). Police can have very complex sting operations such as with child pornography rings. The first thing one of these guys entrapped by vigilantes is going to do is go home and destroy evidence - throw his laptop in the nearest river and burn every photo.

Well guess what thus guy didn't get to do any of that - thanks to this group. Again the police appeared quite happy to deal with this group. The group appear to be quite cognisent of the law etc.

wonderfullife wrote:

I'm not in favour of any vigilante group full stop. Mobs = Bullies.

I note you appear to be very against anyone doing anything whatsoever as such people are evidently all just misunderstood! :rolleyes:

orangerhyme · 20-11-2017 10:14AM

In the video they say he was chatting with 2 other decoys and another girl.

I don't agree with these vigilante groups, Id prefer if these stings were done by professionals, but its likely they stopped this creep ruining some young girls life.

The vigilantes just seem to enjoy it too much.

They said also he's likely to get 32 months. Doesn't matter if it's a fake profile, it's the intent that matters.

I think he's rather naive though as I looked at one of the profiles and it's quite clearly a fake.

Hector Savage · 20-11-2017 10:14AM

mikeysmith wrote: »

A large portion of the paedophile high horse brigade are of dubious moral character themselves

The paedophile being the lowest rung of society can have dirt flung at him by everyone including dodgy types

Exactly, it's like the way peadophiles are treated in prisons by the other high upstanding moral inmates :rolleyes:

wonderfullife · 20-11-2017 10:19AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

It's not good faith, it's virtue signaling and making themselves feel better.

If they get all this evidence why not hand it to the police and they can prosecute and charge successfully - making this public just makes it easier for their defense.

These people don't give a **** about victims of sexual abuse, all their looking for is someone to make themselves feel big - scumbags chasing scumbags.

do they donate to the Rape Crisis centre ?
Do they volunteer to help victims of sexual abuse ?

Do they **** !!!

Yeah they really couldn't care less about victims it's about acting the ''big man'. Publishing the video is about validation but it's also about a power trip - they want the power to be judge and jury. The minute they post the video online they know the guy is guilty in the court of public opinion immediately. They know it means bricks will be going through the guys front window, eggs thrown at his house, grafiti on his car.

It's a power trip to be able to inflict that on whoever you want.

The frightening part is I believe it could be done to anyone by mistake, especially as some of these vigilante meet-ups are organised for public places like Costa Coffee. It wouldn't take much to start videoing the wrong middle-aged person who walks through the door at the agreed time and whoever is being accused will act guiltily out of fear while being surrounded by a mob. They'll stutter their words. They'll tense up. They'll either run, hide or break down in tears.

Post the video up and that's him destroyed.

The sad part is the above isn't even a hypothetical. It has already happened.

Who cares if stuff is even true anymore. Instant judgement culture. Accusations = proof.

MilesMorales1 · 20-11-2017 10:21AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Amazing to see people attacking the group who nailed this toerag

Do you have daughters?

What did they nail? They took their evidence and used to make themselves look big on facebook and potentially damaged the chances of a prosecution.

Sin City · 20-11-2017 10:22AM

Conflicted alright

Think the videos should be handed in to the police however shouldnt be made public until after any sentencing has been handed down

But the other side is the more its publicized hopefully the less it would happen

gozunda · 20-11-2017 10:24AM

Minderbinder wrote: »

What assertion are you making here?
Why aren’t you asking why these vigilante groups are so interested in this matter?
Why aren’t these groups going after drug dealers who cause damage to far more lives, including far more adolescent lives? Or why aren’t they going after drunk drivers?
Why are they pretending to be little girls? F**king bizarre behaviour. Can you just imagine pretending to be a little girl trying to attract some guy into committing a crime? That’s very f**ked up.
They’re not as sick as the guys they catch but I wouldn’t be surprised if they had a few skeletons in their own closets.

Why, what is your interest? It is quite clear why these groups are involved. They are catching and handing over individuals involved in the grooming and abuse of children. Perhaps you should ask these groups why they do what they do. And as far as I'm aware there are anti drug related groups as well. Lol drunk drivers etc etc etc. Your point smells very strongly of Whataboutery.

The MO for this type of sting as far as I'm aware is well established by various reputable bodies around the world. In this instance- it was carried out by a woman - not the group.

Why are you more interested in attacking the group than the suspected paedophile? Why is that. I dont get that t all....

wonderfullife · 20-11-2017 10:26AM

gozunda wrote: »

I note you appear to be very against anyone doing anything whatsoever as such people are evidently all just misunderstood! :rolleyes:

I note you appear to lack the ability to read so I won't be entertaining any more of your drivel.

He will get his chance to plead today. I'm sure if he's guilty he will plead guilty and get it over with. Sadly, if he's innocent he's just as likely to plead guilty and get it over with rather than drag his family through a harrowing trial process where a lot will be revealed in defending himself.

Mob justice in a kangaroo court from a bunch of vigilante cowards.

LadyMacBeth_ · 20-11-2017 10:29AM

I have to say I felt very uncomfortable watching the video, I know he was intending to commit a horrific crime but somehow the video felt very unnecessary, or the way they spoke to him anyway. The guy who does most of the talking mentions the fact that the guy is from Dublin and Ireland quite a lot, and over to harm one of "our" girls, shouldn't really matter, the fact that he wants to harm an underage girl is the point, not where she is from. Constantly calling him a disgusting paedophile and an animal etc just seems a bit gratuitous to me, wait for the police to come and deal with him, no need for the commentary.

20Cent · 20-11-2017 10:31AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Yeah they really couldn't care less about victims it's about acting the ''big man'. Publishing the video is about validation but it's also about a power trip - they want the power to be judge and jury. The minute they post the video online they know the guy is guilty in the court of public opinion immediately. They know it means bricks will be going through the guys front window, eggs thrown at his house, grafiti on his car.

It's a power trip to be able to inflict that on whoever you want.

The frightening part is I believe it could be done to anyone by mistake, especially as some of these vigilante meet-ups are organised for public places like Costa Coffee. It wouldn't take much to start videoing the wrong middle-aged person who walks through the door at the agreed time and whoever is being accused will act guiltily out of fear while being surrounded by a mob. They'll stutter their words. They'll tense up. They'll either run, hide or break down in tears.

Post the video up and that's him destroyed.

The sad part is the above isn't even a hypothetical. It has already happened.

Who cares if stuff is even true anymore. Instant judgement culture. Accusations = proof.

Whoever ends up in a video is there to meet a child and will have exchanged messages with someone they think is a child. No sympathy, no legitimate reason for an adult to meet up with a child they don't know.

DrPhilG · 20-11-2017 10:35AM

NIMAN wrote: »

As mentioned away back at the start of the thread, there was also a school teacher entrapped in Derry too recently.

Video also on FB.

He wasn't a school teacher was he?

I know he was a music teacher but I thought it was as in private lessons and tutoring etc rather than school.

Which is all the more worrying as he would have had one on one access to countless kids.

wonderfullife · 20-11-2017 10:38AM

20Cent wrote: »

Whoever ends up in a video is there to meet a child and will have exchanged messages with someone they think is a child. No sympathy, no legitimate reason for an adult to meet up with a child they don't know.

Tell that to the people from the Guardian article I posted?

One turned up after being told consistently for 2 weeks that the girl was 18. He went to Costa Coffee believing she was 18. They texted him while they were outside saying "I'm actually 15 do you still want to meet up?" and he proceeded to get up and leave.

While he was attempting to leave they accosted him and videoed him accusing him of paedophilia while he tried to run away out of fear. It ruined his life and he is suing for defamation.

He was cleared of all wrongdoing by the police but it was too late to save his job or his marriage.

If you're in favour of lynch mobs accusing innocent people of paedophilia then I don't know what to tell you but it has happened enough times for multiple articles to be published about it. That's one good reason to be against these vigilantes and to favour leaving these matters to the police.

20-11-2017 10:38AM

Will the Gardaí follow up on the this too?

Check laptops /pcs? Etc. I hope so

gozunda · 20-11-2017 10:40AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Agree he's probably goosed if he's guilty, he'll lose everything that matters to him. He won't do much (if any) real jail time because it's a victimless crime and it's by all accounts his first criminal offence of any kind.

Still, if that story about the 52 underage friends on facebook is true, it tells a tale that he wasn't charged with grooming any of them and wasn't charged with soliciting indecent images.

As unpalatable as it sounds, it goes to show it's not a crime to merely be friends with a bunch of underage girls on social media.

What it does show is the one fake account run by adult cowards veered the conversation in ways genuine children would never do. I say cowards because that's what they are. Showing up in numbers, mostly hiding behind anonymity, to confront, name and shame one person and find them guilty without trial in some kangaroo court.

I find it impossible to believe if he was actively intent on grooming children that the police didn't find any further evidence from his chats with the other 52 girls. No messages asking for photos. No messages suggesting meeting. No requests to swap phone numbers. Nada. And it was clearly nada from the fact he wasn't charged with anything else.

Any creative lawyer worth their salt could fight this charge though, so we'll see what way he pleads. In these cases a lot of them plead guilty just to get it over with rather than face a prolonged trial.

Jazus H Chrxst! He was caught sending pictures of his willy to the profile of the young girl. Plus grooming + arranging to meet a minor with sexual intent etc etc

Keep on disparaging the group that handed him ovet to the police and keep on excusing paedophile type behaviour. :rolleyes:

We do not know what other information about 'chats" other evidence or otherwise which has been collected at this point. At least let the feking cnut be sent to trial ok?

You're something else....

NIMAN · 20-11-2017 10:41AM

LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »

I have to say I felt very uncomfortable watching the video, I know he was intending to commit a horrific crime but somehow the video felt very unnecessary, or the way they spoke to him anyway. The guy who does most of the talking mentions the fact that the guy is from Dublin and Ireland quite a lot, and over to harm one of "our" girls, shouldn't really matter, the fact that he wants to harm an underage girl is the point, not where she is from. Constantly calling him a disgusting paedophile and an animal etc just seems a bit gratuitous to me, wait for the police to come and deal with him, no need for the commentary.

I'd say this guy and maybe a few of the others there would love nothing more than to get their catch a good kicking.

NIMAN · 20-11-2017 10:41AM

DrPhilG wrote: »

He wasn't a school teacher was he?

I know he was a music teacher but I thought it was as in private lessons and tutoring etc rather than school.

Which is all the more worrying as he would have had one on one access to countless kids.

I just heard he was a teacher, so perhaps you are right.

PARlance · 20-11-2017 10:42AM

orangerhyme wrote: »

I still have no sympathy for him though, sending pics to a 13 year old, and he doesn't seem too lonely from his real Facebook

Not that it's a important point but it has been interesting to see his number of friends plummet and followers increase over the last day.

NIMAN · 20-11-2017 10:43AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

He was cleared of all wrongdoing by the police but it was too late to save his job or his marriage.

I think the fact that he was planning to meet an 18yr old girl whilst he was married was maybe showing a bit of disrespect to his wife?

wonderfullife · 20-11-2017 10:46AM

NIMAN wrote: »

I think the fact that he was planning to meet an 18yr old girl whilst he was married was maybe showing a bit of disrespect to his wife?

Trying to cheat on your wife isn't a crime.

gozunda · 20-11-2017 10:46AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

I note you appear to lack the ability to read so I won't be entertaining any more of your drivel.

He will get his chance to plead today. I'm sure if he's guilty he will plead guilty and get it over with. Sadly, if he's innocent he's just as likely to plead guilty and get it over with rather than drag his family through a harrowing trial process where a lot will be revealed in defending himself.
Mob justice in a kangaroo court from a bunch of vigilante cowards.

I note your habit of attacking any one who doesn't fall for your Whataboutery. Your inexplicable defence of the guy is quite worrying tbh. Perhaps he should have been concerned about the effects of his actions on others and his 'family before posting pictures of his willy to the profile of a young girl!

The guy will get his say in a court of law and justice will be done.

RTE "paedophile" exposed (Read Admin note post #1)

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