Justice League Spoilers from post 980 onward

bennyl10 · 19-11-2017 07:31PM

Just seen it there, went in with tbh, expectations on the floor, but it’s a really good, fun, entertaining movie!!
The villains CGI is a little hit and miss at times, but the chemistry between the league seems to work really well, the humor is nicely placed and not overdone.,

Ya the critical response is way way ott, it’s a damn solid movie!!

It’s a little choppy, but with the production issues it’s understandable..
Would actually like to see the directors cut,

HandsomeBob · 19-11-2017 07:43PM

The critical response can be summed up by some clown claiming that the amazonians and atlanteans were ruined by the film. A claim with zero support because of the scenes they were involved in, the atlanteans weren't represented beyond meera and Arthur, while the amazonians laid claim to one of the best scenes of the film.

Turtyturd · 19-11-2017 08:12PM

Brought the kids to see it and my eldest fella loved it. I actually enjoyed it more the second time around myself, I think back to back 12 hour days in the office beforehand meant I was tired and overly critical of it.

The first scene with Batman is really good and as with most people I’d love a solo movie. The scene with

the Amazons trying to keep the motherbox from Stepenwolf was also really good.

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Still stand by it being the most comic book like movie to date from either DC or Marvel and it also highlights the differences between the two companies, DC have some really good concepts but outside of Batman they fail to attach good stories and character to them, while Marvel play it safer but nail their characters..

One of the biggest annoyances for me is how much they could have improved on everything by taking their time and building their universe with solo movies. There’s plenty to criticise about Marvel but their continuity across movies is something to be admired. Dripping little bits of information about the motherboxes, Darkseid and the multiverse across solo movies would have led to a much greater pay off and a lot of exposition out of the way before Justice League even starts but they panicked and dove straight into it with minimal build up.

q2xv9rjei4awgb · 19-11-2017 08:26PM

Goodshape wrote: »

All over the place but, given rock bottom expectations, it was an enjoyable enough spectacle tbh. Although I too long for the days of wind-up mechanical penguins.

Henry Cavil's CGI moustache remover was dreadful, distracting, comical at times.

Gal Gadot is the only one who really seems to embody the role she has. Pretty flawless.

There was some silly stuff about a box, but I don't think it mattered.

Gal Gadot is flawless...

End of discussion

larchielads · 20-11-2017 01:27AM

Did we find out who alfred was talkin to , didnt see the scene in the movie. People thought it was superman or green lantern

HandsomeBob · 20-11-2017 06:29AM

larchielads wrote: »

Did we find out who alfred was talkin to , didnt see the scene in the movie. People thought it was superman or green lantern

Left on the cutting room floor like a lot of scenes it seems.

There's actually a lot of stuff in the trailers that didn't make the cut.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 20-11-2017 10:19AM

larchielads wrote: »

Did we find out who alfred was talkin to , didnt see the scene in the movie. People thought it was superman or green lantern

I would have to assume it was a scene where

superman turns up at the batcave looking for everyone, and alfred tells him to head for Russia

Stone Deaf 4evr · 20-11-2017 10:33AM

Been thinking on this over the weekend, thoughts are as follows

1. Ben affleck is possibly my favourite batman, he does the 'im too old' routine delightfully, and I like that they've stayed close to the frank miller Dark Knight returns look.
2. I like that they went for a colourful neon look to gotham, similar to what you see in the Arkham games.
3. Honestly, I never once noticed an issue with CGI of a mustache, I'd completely forgotten it going in, and I reckon that unless you were waiting for him to appear so that you could start concentrating on looking at his top lip, its a non issue.
4. The amazons scene stole the show, very well realised.
5. The humor was hit and miss for me - thought The flash and aquaman came out on top with this, Batman, not so much

his asking if aquaman could talk to fish just didnt work for me

6. Strangely, I feel its a film that would have perhaps benefited from an extra 10 or 15 minutes, despite the fact that refreshingly little time was given to Flash and Aquamans backstory, we got enough info to draw our own conclusions.
7. Cyborg - A character I was never really a fan of, and I felt that the film either hung on him too much, or that the actor wasn't great at conveying his story.
8. Aquaman - it was a great call to fashion him in the somewhat dudebro 'outRAGEous!' fashion, similar to what had been done in the Batman; The brave and the bold cartoons, I'm not sure I'd fancy a film all to himself, but he served his purpose here well.
9. The product placement was jarringly in your face, Between Bruce wayne with his superior gilette razor and the fact that everyone drive a mercedes (and I'll concede that marvel is nearly as bad with Audi).

Overall, I'd give it a solid 7 out of 10, its by no means perfect, with occasionally jarring tones, but certainly not the abomination that a lot of critics seem to be labelling.

siblers · 20-11-2017 11:41AM

My expectations were very low, I was pleasently surprised by the first 50 minutes or so but the second half was a bit of a mess.

A few people have remarked on Henry Cavill, stating that he was phoning it in. Seems a bit harsh on him, thought he was quite good in it.

The good:
1. Wonder Woman, it seems that they put extra effort/attention into a lot of her shots, especially just before she is about to fight. For instance

The hostage scene at the court house was superb, Zak Synder did a superb job here of showing her powers in action.

2. Aquaman drinking whisky to The White Stripes was awesome, for all of 5 seconds. Unfortunatley, this was the highlight for Aquaman
3. The Flash- I though he would annoy me but he worked well
4. Batman - He wasn't in it as much as I would have liked but a stand alone batman film could be superb
5.

For the short period of time he was in it, Superman was great.

6. Some of the humour was really good

The bad:
1. Some of the worst CGI I've seen in quite some time. That Paradise Island looked awful
2. CGI for Cyborg's suit was awful, really, really awful
3. Plot was stupid
4.

The finale in Russia with Steppenwolfe was awful, an incoherent mess

5. Cyborg and Aquaman were poorly written and the two actors had little to work with
6. Film felt rushed, needed more backstory for The Flash/Aquaman and Cyborg
7. Needed more Batman

20-11-2017 12:34PM

It's an unbelievably bad sign when the Flash TV that's on now handles his running (and makes it look damn good) so much better than a movie with a budget ten times that of the show.

It just looked awful.

siblers · 20-11-2017 01:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It was pretty awful, in fairness.

A short runtime and too many characters meant that everyone had such little screentime and character development, outside of Wonder Woman, Superman, and Batman.

The Flash just seemed to have been written as a stereotypical autistic person.

There's also a big issue; when you start making Superman as strong as he is in this, it totally negates any sense of tension or anxiety there may be.

Once he showed up in the final sequence, that was pretty much it.

Wouldn't be surprised if the DC movie universe gets canned now, or at least the Justice League strand, after supposedly vastly underperforming.

Do you mean that him being super fast was like a metaphor for having autism? As in, because he moves so fast that he struggles to be with people who move at normal pace (the joke about brunch)?

Suggesting that someone with autism struggles with people who don't behave in certain ways? Because there was nothing about his character that suggested him as having autism, he was a bit dorky and socially awkward but that was about it

CramCycle · 20-11-2017 01:41PM

I presume he meant to say something like ADHD rather than Autism, which would make sense (haven't seen it yet).

20-11-2017 03:12PM

siblers wrote: »

Do you mean that him being super fast was like a metaphor for having autism? As in, because he moves so fast that he struggles to be with people who move at normal pace (the joke about brunch)?

Suggesting that someone with autism struggles with people who don't behave in certain ways? Because there was nothing about his character that suggested him as having autism, he was a bit dorky and socially awkward but that was about it

He would barely make eye contact - shying away from it, actually. Socially awkward. Extremely clumsy (his tripping over his own feet). His needing to make friends.

A lot of these are signs that point towards being on the autistic spectrum.

Looper007 · 20-11-2017 03:22PM

It was passable two hours, nothing more nothing else. It pales in the shadow of Thor Ragnarok, but it's more enjoyable then the awfulness of Batman vs Superman. Gal Gadot is by far the best thing about DC universe right now, who would have thought that after Batman vs Superman. Ben Affleck is a good Batman but you wish he had a director like Christopher Nolan behind his version. Jeremy Irons, J.K Simmons and Amy Adams are just happy to pick up those big fat pay cheques.

Jason Momoa, just feels like D.C trying to make him like their Thor, brash and cocky. He's given little in the way but so are Cyborg and Flash. They need to pick it up when it comes to those solo films. Overall feels like a film made by Committee really, rather then a real vision. The villain too was one of the worse I've seen in a comic film. Bring on Wonder Woman 2.

CramCycle · 20-11-2017 03:53PM

Looper007 wrote: »

Ben Affleck is a good Batman but you wish he had a director like Christopher Nolan behind his version.

I dunno, he is a great director, and his films were brilliant but I don't think he could have gotten it right with Affleck as he has his vision, whereas Affleck is right out of the 1980s comics.

(Says the man who still has not seen it)

Goodshape · 20-11-2017 04:05PM

I just feel sorry for Affleck in this role to be honest. He's a decent actor and a better filmmaker, and a known fan of comic books and Batman. I'm sure he was excited to get the role, maybe direct a Batman film himself, and then... Snyder'd!

He might not have suited the Nolan films – that was a younger Batman, for one thing – but I'd have liked to see him with a good script and a good filmmaker behind him.

Don't think we ever will now. Strongly rumoured that he wants out of the role asap, and I wouldn't blame him.

Mitch Connor · 20-11-2017 04:12PM

what were the amazons actually protecting the box against/for.

Within SECONDS of it waking loads of them have been killed and they are in retreat. They then 'seal' the tomb, and within SECONDS Steppenwolf is out and killing more of them. And where were they going with the box? Were they planning on confusing him and annoying him by running laps of the island?

They may as well have just left it in a field and let steppenwolf just take it - less of them would have died for the same outcome that was never in any doubt

Atlantis did about as good a job too.

Mitch Connor · 20-11-2017 04:13PM

Goodshape wrote: »

I just feel sorry for Affleck in this role to be honest. He's a decent actor and a better filmmaker, and a known fan of comic books and Batman. I'm sure he was excited to get the role, maybe direct a Batman film himself, and then... Snyder'd!

He might not have suited the Nolan films – that was a younger Batman, for one thing – but I'd have liked to see him with a good script and a good filmmaker behind him.

Don't think we ever will now. Strongly rumoured that he wants out of the role asap, and I wouldn't blame him.

He had the chance to do his own batman story, and pulled out of it (for personal reasons, i believe).

Mitch Connor · 20-11-2017 04:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's an unbelievably bad sign when the Flash TV that's on now handles his running (and makes it look damn good) so much better than a movie with a budget ten times that of the show.

It just looked awful.

I disagree.

The running in Flash is generally shown in a straight line, which makes zero sense.

And the CGI on his running can be absolutely terrible. See the first episode of this season as a great example. The windfarm.... good lord.

Agent Coulson · 20-11-2017 05:25PM

If they had taken all the slow-mo scenes out of it the run time would have been close to 90 minutes.

I found it decent for what it was a 5 out of 10.

Tusky · 20-11-2017 07:12PM

Surprised at the reviews in here - I thought it was absolute rubbish. Batman v Superman's biggest problem was that it was an overlong mess of a film that failed to tell a coherent story. They corrected that here by simplifying the story to the point that it felt like a videogame. A really mean villain has arrived and he wants to collect 3 boxes to destroy the world...that's literally it. So much CGI as well - what were those blue tentacles towards the end?

There were a couple of nice moments, mostly involving Batman and Wonder Woman. But DC really need to reboot again in my opinion.

20-11-2017 07:27PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I disagree.

The running in Flash is generally shown in a straight line, which makes zero sense.

And the CGI on his running can be absolutely terrible. See the first episode of this season as a great example. The windfarm.... good lord.

In Justice League, you could tell they were pretty much copying the excellent scenes in Days of Future Past. Even down to the finger tapping with the cheeky smile.

Looper007 · 20-11-2017 07:58PM

Tusky wrote: »

Surprised at the reviews in here - I thought it was absolute rubbish.

I think that's low expectations, no one was expecting much out of it and found it was a passable effort after D.C recent run aside from Wonder Woman. I be surprised if anyone who did like it will be watching this in years to come.

20-11-2017 10:10PM

Regardless of anything else -- it wasn't as offensive as Suicide Squad.

So there's that.

Harry Palmr · 20-11-2017 11:18PM

Just fell short of the 100m mark in the USA/Canada so it'll top out at 200m tops but China, Brazil, Korea, Mexico etc will save it.

siblers · 21-11-2017 09:39AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Regardless of anything else -- it wasn't as offensive as Suicide Squad.

So there's that.

In what was was it offensive? Offensively ****?

21-11-2017 10:11AM

siblers wrote: »

In what was was it offensive? Offensively ****?

Suicide Squad? The Gender politics. The fact Will Smith was in such a sh*tty movie. Stuff like that.

:pac:

Agent Coulson · 21-11-2017 01:49PM

The official poster being shown in China's cinemas but fan made not from Warners.

DC killing Marvel.

IncognitoMan · 21-11-2017 02:37PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Suicide Squad? The Gender politics. The fact Will Smith was in such a sh*tty movie. Stuff like that.

:pac:

Will Smith in a bad movie? He's been in loads.

After Earth? Collateral Beauty? Winter's Tale?

I'm sure there's more as well.

Goodshape · 21-11-2017 02:40PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

DC killing Marvel.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPHOPNzXcAExHIj.jpg

It'd be funnier if it weren't wrong.

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