Al Porter Scandal

WHIP IT! · 19-11-2017 01:59PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

i think being aghast at having some chap shoving his hands down your keks would be considered "PCmad"

irrespective of whether they're proven or not, you suggested what the victims did was worse than what Ported did?

"So if this was me in that situation, I would have given him a slap and told what to do with himself, but instead this guys ran off and tweeted about it.... tells me more about those guys than Al...."
Seriously?

No. No he didn't. At all. He suggested an appropriate way to deal with the situation. You then deflected by making your ridiculous accusation.

seamus · 19-11-2017 02:00PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Seamus do you not agree that the silence is deafening ?

No? You've however-many posts on this thread. Same on Twitter.

Porter was employed by Denis O'Brien, so all of his media outlets are going to be gagged until Porter makes a statement.

RTE are scared ****less of saying anything wrong about anyone.

The Irish media are reporting on it, but not repeating the allegations.

So I'm not sure exactly what "silence" you're referring to.

smurgen wrote: »

The treatment has been different.we are talking about the hypocrisy.even the responses here defending him have a different tone. Weinstein was predatory yet Al Porters alleged victims wouldn't have felt threatened cause they were male.this is the line some posters are following and it's sickening.

Agreed. It's incredible the amount of "hard men" who seem to think that if you don't immediately beat the guy to a pulp, that you in some way wanted it to happen or bear some responsibility for it.

In many ways these allegations should expose the reality of sexual assault for all victims; an individual cannot be expected to behave a certain way in response to an assault. Everyone's reaction is different, and their reaction bears no relation whatsoever to the question of whether they were or weren't assaulted.

Only talking about it years later doesn't mean it's not really an assault. Walking away in shock doesn't mean it's not assault. Not fighting back doesn't mean it's not assault.

That's applies to women being assaulted by men as much as men being assaulted by women. Or women on women. Or men on men.

WHIP IT! · 19-11-2017 02:14PM

splinter65 wrote: »

If I was accused of a sexual assault I didn’t commit in an orchestrated effort to destroy my career, I definitely wouldn’t silently step aside from my work commitments while a PR/legal team deliberated all weekend over the wording of my statement.
It’s the ultimate injustice to be accused in the wrong of something so heinous.
If the Facebook message doesn’t exist or his Facebook account was hacked then that’s easily proven.
If is not true then It’s a very straightforward case of defamation if the Times is saying that Al Porter attacked this guy.
I can’t understand what you think he’s waiting for if the allegations are spurious.
His career has evaporated in 48 hours while he waits for these spin doctors to word a statement.
There isn’t even a suggestion that there will be a statement.

Well, just so you know, if - heaven forbid - that does happen to you, you're insistence on "not sitting silently by" will greatly f*ck up your legal case. Greatly.

boggerman1 · 19-11-2017 02:16PM

BrownFinger wrote: »

If you've ever had the misfortune of seeing one of his shows you'd already know he's an absolute scumbag.
He picks someone out of the crowd (male) and spends the evening threatening to rape him.
To the amusement of 50 year old woman pissed on white wine.

Was at a show of his in Thurles this time last year.he shared the gig with Eric lawlor who was good.porter meanwhile was just foul mouthed stuff about the usual stuff he does.he took a particular shine to one male in the front row for the whole show.looking back now it went from humor to non stop hitting on the chap.he eventually lunged at him at the end.also a man walked out on him after 20 mins of non stop talking about "riding" a priest.if all these allegations are true he's finished.he's terrible on the radio too

Roger Hassenforder · 19-11-2017 02:19PM

WHIP IT! wrote: »

No. No he didn't. At all. He suggested an appropriate way to deal with the situation. You then deflected by making your ridiculous accusation.

So what is an appropriate way?

he sought to diminish Porters acts, by saying what his victims did spoke more about them, than what Porters acts did about him.

now wheel your little destrier around and have another go
*trumpet noises**/*snorting noises

fullstop · 19-11-2017 02:32PM

GerryDerpy wrote: »

Grab the Cnut by the throat and make him regret it. His word against mine. No scars. Look I’m not a hard man but I would defend myself if physically touched.

GerryDerpy wrote: »

I accept i don’t have a public reputation to protect.

But still.. “yeah I choked the ducker because he groped me.”

GerryDerpy wrote: »

I suppose there is more that one way of dealing with each situation. God though I’d nearly kill him.

GerryDerpy wrote: »

Oh I’d be shocked too. But deal with it there and then. Or next time you see him. Why come out publicly as an assault victim? How does that deal with the conflict better?

GerryDerpy wrote: »

This is how a capable man deals with such conflicts.

GerryDerpy wrote: »

I’m sorry I can’t take this serious. Some gay lad drops the hand on me and he gets dropped. Alleging sexual assault would be the last thing I’d do.

GerryDerpy wrote: »

Punch, push, deck. Lots of ways. You would actually do nothing? Ask them to stop nicely is it? So submissive.

Edit: let me emphasise that this particular problem is one of physical sexual assault. If you can defend yourself (lots cant) then you should in my view.

Hard man on the loose ITT

The Talking Bread · 19-11-2017 02:32PM

WHIP IT! wrote: »

You missed my point. I don't and didn't agree with their treatment either. The silver lining for them is, they have had their careers and made their money. This chap is 24, he's obviously an a*sehole, but this will ruin him - and that's far too f*cking big a price to pay for basically being a f*ckin moron.

Yeah, their timing was great. If only Al Porter had waited another 40 years before groping and sticking his hands down peoples pants and making a joke out of it.

He would have had his cash made then already and could fondle all he wanted.

his age is irrelevant in this situation, as in any other crime. There probably would be leniency for him compared to an older individual in the eyes of the law, lets be honest, but his career is in the public eye. No room for empathy.

He can get a job in a call centre maybe or a brick layer. Make some cash there, who knows he may even be as rich as Hook some day. Sure Hook blew all his money away anyway for most of his life

Noone has a God Given right to a specific career and a guy who sexually assaulted someone, well, lets just say, is never going to appeal to media employers so his ambitions are, sadly for him, limited in that career sector

Strazdas · 19-11-2017 02:34PM

NIMAN wrote: »

I think once again its a case of considering every crime at the same level as belittling the real ones.

As Julia Hartley Brewer said about the guy who resigned from the UK cabinet for touching her knee 15 years previously. "Seriously, he resigned for that?".

OF course if someone is raped or seriously sexually assaulted, you should involve the police. But if someone slaps your bum or tells you that they'd feck you if you lost a bit of weight, do some think these require police time?

All crimes aren't the same.

That was definitely beyond ridiculous. Someone putting their hand on your knee or giving you an overly familiar hug or whatever can in no way be described as carrying out a 'sexual assault'.

What Porter is alleged to have done would be considerably more serious of course.

Cantona's Collars · 19-11-2017 02:37PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Sexual assault, not harassment. I would consider someone reaching into my knickers and gabbing and squeezing my vagina an assault, not harassment.
I would physically defend myself in whatever way I could and complain to the Gardai and I would expect the person to be arrested.
I wouldn’t want the attacker to be allowed to think that they would get away with this.
The extreme left wing bias pervading this country has dictated that the normal rules somehow don’t apply to gay people.
Al Porter is absolutely astonished today to find that it’s possible that some small amount of dry ****es don’t think his dick grabbing is hilarious.
Because he has been egged on for the last couple of years by the sniggering masses.
His “innuendo” and double entendres turned into insults and crassness and offensive abusive smut (all you have to do is watch Blind Date) but because we’re all so liberal now we just kept right on pretending that he’s an absolute darling.

In no way am I defending him and what he did, sexual assaults/harassment are equally cnutish things to do so I didn't differentiate.
My point was he sees himself as being edgy and seems to have a notion that because he's so ott camp that what he does in his eyes is perceived as "ah sure it's only Al, he's always acting the bollix doing stuff like that". Even on his radio show he's said stuff beyond the pale and tried to cover his ass by going uber camp and laughing it off.
Put it this way,if he did it to me there'd be a different story about a comedian getting knocked the fook out. So I'm not being an apologist for him in any shape or form.

The Talking Bread · 19-11-2017 02:37PM

fullstop wrote: »

Hard man on the loose ITT

I won't be sticking my hands down his pants anytime soon.

retro:electro · 19-11-2017 02:44PM

I definitely think there were some allowances made for him in the industry over the years due to him being a comedian, being gay and being camp. His humour is beyond depraved and his whole skit is based on being as sexually explicit as you can get, with members of the public being his target and subject of his perverse desires. Nobody should have to put up with that no matter what the orientation is of the person making those comments.

I'm sure there were many allowances made for him over the years because he's "funny" but you know what, fcuk that. Nobody should be made feel uncomfortable like that. These actions should be judged irrespective of someone's gender, job, orientation, political leaning or whatever the fcuk else people seem to think matters.

pjohnson · 19-11-2017 02:45PM

fullstop wrote: »

Hard man on the loose ITT

Al *allegedly* would approve very much

B.A._Baracus · 19-11-2017 03:40PM

Dare I be blunt... Typical boards.ie responsive to what NIMAN said. Which was:

NIMAN wrote: »

One grown man going to the Gardai over another grown man touching his dick?

Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I would call that wasting police time.

If another man touched my dick I'd tell him to get to feck. If he did it again, I'd deck him.

When did the world become so soft?

You're right NIMAN.
You tell him to feck off or lay into him if he still is acting a bollocks.

If I go out on the street and start grabbing people's balls this minute. I will get a punch. That's life.

ToddyDoody · 19-11-2017 03:42PM

Tallaght. No good as always

Berserker · 19-11-2017 03:47PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

If I go out on the street and start grabbing people's balls this minute. I will get a punch. That's life.

And you'll end up getting arrested. If the person who grabbed you is gay, your attack will be labelled as homophobic. You end up losing your job and the fcuker who grabbed you will be the victim. Much as I would love to deck someone who grabbed me like that, I'd fight the urge.

WHIP IT! · 19-11-2017 03:52PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Yeah, their timing was great. If only Al Porter had waited another 40 years before groping and sticking his hands down peoples pants and making a joke out of it.

He would have had his cash made then already and could fondle all he wanted.

his age is irrelevant in this situation, as in any other crime. There probably would be leniency for him compared to an older individual in the eyes of the law, lets be honest, but his career is in the public eye. No room for empathy.

He can get a job in a call centre maybe or a brick layer. Make some cash there, who knows he may even be as rich as Hook some day. Sure Hook blew all his money away anyway for most of his life

Noone has a God Given right to a specific career and a guy who sexually assaulted someone, well, lets just say, is never going to appeal to media employers so his ambitions are, sadly for him, limited in that career sector

Again, you missed my point. At no time did I say his age should make any difference.

The hysterical over-reaction to his awful behaviour is going to ruin his life. The punishment here will not fit the crime. Not even close. It didn't either for Hook or LCK - but it won't have such disastrous implications for them as they have had their careers and have lived their life.

donaghs · 19-11-2017 03:57PM

Latest development is st pats mental health service responding to allegations of somethIng he did during a visit?
But zero details on what he’s supposed to have done to who. Following the rumor mill on twitter etc, this sounds like it could be much more serious than groping fellow comics.

WHIP IT! · 19-11-2017 03:57PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

So what is an appropriate way?

he sought to diminish Porters acts, by saying what his victims did spoke more about them, than what Porters acts did about him.

now wheel your little destrier around and have another go
*trumpet noises**/*snorting noises

Ah the well-worn retort of the man who has no argument... "If I throw in patronising words, it means I'm winning"

The poster you deliberately misquoted already suggested an appropriate way - however, you seem to think an appropriate way to deal with what you feel is a sexual assault is to wait a couple of years, continue to socialise with your assailant - then post about it on twitter...

I don't believe the "victims" felt they were sexually assaulted at the time. I'm not convinced they feel that way even now. I can imagine they were embarrassed and had a feeling of "what the f*ck?"
But to effectively align themselves with the many victims of serious sexual assault - people who have actually had their lives ruined - does not sit well.

B.A._Baracus · 19-11-2017 04:00PM

Berserker wrote: »

And you'll end up getting arrested. If the person who grabbed you is gay, your attack will be labelled as homophobic. You end up losing your job and the fcuker who grabbed you will be the victim. Much as I would love to deck someone who grabbed me like that, I'd fight the urge.

You are correct. You have to be smart in these situations. Not worth the potential hassle......

But fu*k it, ya would have to be equally as scummy too tho. Say you did hit someone out of reaction. Not thinking like. Then lie and say they grabbed you by the throat and said "what? ya hate gays!?" split second after you brushed their hand away. You hit them in self defense. Happened so quick officer.

So many people out there lie through their teeth and twist things when it suits them. Guess why not do the same. Sounds bad but way of the world eh?

pjohnson · 19-11-2017 04:01PM

WHIP IT! wrote: »

Again, you missed my point. At no time did I say his age should make any difference.

The hysterical over-reaction to his awful behaviour is going to ruin his life. The punishment here will not fit the crime. Not even close. It didn't either for Hook or LCK - but it won't have such disastrous implications for them as they have had their careers and have lived their life.

Hook and LCK never touched anyone. So yes I agree their punishment was probably OTT. In this case its fair.

zoobizoo · 19-11-2017 04:01PM

WHIP IT! wrote: »

The hysterical over-reaction to his awful behaviour is going to ruin his life. The punishment here will not fit the crime. Not even close. It didn't either for Hook or LCK - but it won't have such disastrous implications for them as they have had their careers and have lived their life.

No..... his awful behaviour has ruined his life.

Trond · 19-11-2017 04:04PM

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Mod note:You were told not to post in this thread again. From here, the sanctions are only going to get worse for you.

Buford T. Justice.

Jobs OXO · 19-11-2017 04:07PM

WHIP IT! wrote: »

Again, you missed my point. At no time did I say his age should make any difference.

The hysterical over-reaction to his awful behaviour is going to ruin his life. The punishment here will not fit the crime. Not even close. It didn't either for Hook or LCK - but it won't have such disastrous implications for them as they have had their careers and have lived their life.

The deviancy is being ended earlier. Who knows how many could have been defiled in the future.

Mongfinder General · 19-11-2017 04:07PM

Not surprised by any of this. Isn't that what Trump did? Grabbed some lady by the pussy? Porter for President has a bit of a ring to it, if you'll pardon the pun.

Bananaleaf · 19-11-2017 04:08PM

donaghs wrote: »

Latest development is st pats mental health service responding to allegations of somethIng he did during a visit?
But zero details on what he’s supposed to have done to who. Following the rumor mill on twitter etc, this sounds like it could be much more serious than groping fellow comics.

The incident re: St Pats is covered in the Times in detail. As are the allegations from the comedians.

Part of article here, from the student who was a psychiatric patient at time:

"We were chatting to Al and he was all handsy, touching my chest, telling me I'm gorgeous. He said I was nice and small, 'just how I like them'. He said he was going to 'devour' me. I was pushing and squirming away and obviously felt uncomfortable, but he kept going....
...,He put his hand on my crotch at least twice, outside my trousers', said the student. ' I pushed him away again and it ended with him laying the sloppiest, most disgusting kiss on my lips.' The man, who is not gay, said he did not want to complain at the time as he did not want to be considered homophobic"

From today's Sunday Times.

NIMAN · 19-11-2017 04:08PM

donaghs wrote: »

Latest development is st pats mental health service responding to allegations of somethIng he did during a visit?
But zero details on what he’s supposed to have done to who. Following the rumor mill on twitter etc, this sounds like it could be much more serious than groping fellow comics.

so are the names of his accusors public?

Haven't seen them listed.

pjohnson · 19-11-2017 04:10PM

NIMAN wrote: »

so are the names of his accusors public?

Haven't seen them listed.

All in the article.

zoobizoo · 19-11-2017 04:10PM

NIMAN wrote: »

so are the names of his accusors public?

Haven't seen them listed.

The four comedians have been named. They posted their accounts of what happened on Twitter.

And those names have been in the papers

Strazdas · 19-11-2017 04:11PM

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Not surprised by any of this. Isn't that what Trump did? Grabbed some lady by the pussy? Porter for President has a bit of a ring to it, if you'll pardon the pun.

Trump merely spoke of doing such a thing and was recorded on audio saying it (we don't actually know if it was the truth, or if it was all just bravado and spoofing to impress the guy he was talking to).

Galwayguy35 · 19-11-2017 04:17PM

PeterParker957 wrote: »

This is the thing I don't get.

When did it become ok to tell someone they were assaulted? They don't feel they were, they don't consider themselves a victim - that's their decision/perspective not someone else's.

I wasn't telling him anything, he said himself that the other fella had his hand on his underwear and his mouth over his dick when he woke up so I don't think it's way out there to suggest it was a sexual assault.

The guy said he didn't feel like a victim but the act itself was assault.

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