Al Porter Scandal

PeterParker957 · 19-11-2017 11:17AM

Don Kiddick wrote: »

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Strongly disagree. I had my arse grabbed on the tube.

Told him to move the arm or lose it.

I was not sexually assaulted, I am not a victim. Do not weaken my response and ability to defend myself by calling me such.

It's no one's call but mine. Same as poster in hostel above.

Again...your initial statement is totally untrue

Believe what you want. I'll be over here pretending to care.

Don Kiddick · 19-11-2017 11:20AM

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Believe what you want. I'll be over here pretending to care.

A 6yo child wouldn't know...a person of diminished intelligence wouldn't know, someone who have been systematically groomed and raped wouldn't know ..now sit in the corner and think before posting

volchitsa · 19-11-2017 11:23AM

PeterParker957 wrote: »

This is the thing I don't get.

When did it become ok to tell someone they were assaulted? They don't feel they were, they don't consider themselves a victim - that's their decision/perspective not someone else's.

Well, getting involved in someone else's life is always a risky thing, but assuming the person was assaulted in the way the law understands it, there's a very good reason not to be complicit with someone who wants to ignore that fact just because they themselves were in a position to fight back - abusers always start with minor transgressions and move on to more serious ones if they get away with them.

That youth hostel story for example was two young men neither of whom had any power over the other.

But give that guy 10 or 15 years and a position of authority, and you have a Kevin Spacey type situation.

So it's not just about telling other people what you think, it's about preventing possible crimes in the future.

wetlandsboy · 19-11-2017 11:23AM

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Nice change of subject there on TV3 going from the Al Porter story to asking people have they the Xmas tree up

I note that every time it’s mentioned, the presenters read a prepared statement. Love watching them cringe!

bilbot79 · 19-11-2017 11:24AM

What did he do exactly?

strandroad · 19-11-2017 11:26AM

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Strongly disagree. I had my arse grabbed on the tube.

Told him to move the arm or lose it.

I was not sexually assaulted, I am not a victim. Do not weaken my response and ability to defend myself by calling me such.

It's no one's call but mine. Same as poster in hostel above.

And that's exactly the attidude that makes it so difficult for men to report assaults, seek support etc. You're supposed to "just deal with it". And if you don't or can't? Where's the line?

In rape threads there is usually a lot of picking female victims apart. Interesting to see how men describe other men in this situation (see also Spacey thread wrt Anthony Rapp).

Cantona's Collars · 19-11-2017 11:29AM

bilbot79 wrote: »

What did he do exactly?

Mickey grabbing.

Maybe he thought he was having a bit of craic as this ott gay fella and saw this carry on as part of his schtick only for it to backfire spectacularly. At best it was misguided banter (in his mind) and at worst it was sexual harassment.
He's not doing himself any favours by staying silent on the matter.

PeterParker957 · 19-11-2017 11:31AM

strandroad wrote: »

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Strongly disagree. I had my arse grabbed on the tube.

Told him to move the arm or lose it.

I was not sexually assaulted, I am not a victim. Do not weaken my response and ability to defend myself by calling me such.

It's no one's call but mine. Same as poster in hostel above.

And that's exactly the attidude that makes it so difficult for men to report assaults, seek support etc. You're supposed to "just deal with it". And if you don't or can't? Where's the line?

In rape threads there is usually a lot of picking female victims apart. Interesting to see how men describe other men in this situation (see also Spacey thread wrt Anthony Rapp).

I am female.

Harry Palmr · 19-11-2017 11:34AM

PeterParker957 wrote: »

And yet both tried in the twin courts of Twitter and da feelz.

Because we the public make little distinction if we're "outraged". And outrage is the default setting for social media.

Who the hell is Al Porter anyway?

strandroad · 19-11-2017 11:35AM

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I am female.

Whatever. What's being described is sexual assaults, what's your problem with admitting it?

Invincible · 19-11-2017 11:40AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What did he allegedly do

https://www.google.ie/amp/metro.co.uk/2017/11/18/irish-comedian-al-porter-accused-of-sexual-misconduct-by-four-men-7089258/amp/

The Bishop Basher · 19-11-2017 11:53AM

strandroad wrote: »

Absolutely. But then his employers acted quickly and decisively, unlike Hook's.

Hook didn't do anything wrong other then offend the delicate sensibilities of the perpetually offended and outraged..

Al porter has been sexually assaulting people alledgedy..Mod note! BTJ

There's no comparison whatsoever..

daheff · 19-11-2017 11:59AM

This is great. Means no more al porter on da radio

I can safely listen to todayfm after dermot & dave and not have to be offended by him.

Maybe they’ll come to their senses and bring back Anton in that slot !!!

Dev84 · 19-11-2017 12:02PM

wetlandsboy wrote: »

I note that every time it’s mentioned, the presenters read a prepared statement. Love watching them cringe!

His career is basically over now. Before it had started one could argue.

We dont know if he did anything wrong so in itself is wrong that he has suffered trial by social media.

What id say is his victims seem more interested in seeing him slaughtered in the court of public opinion than going down the legal route which in itself speaks volumes.

I'd presume they havent gone to the guards to make an official complaint. If they had they'd hardly be on social media screaming about it.

Of course the above is not to say that this didnt happen.

The George Hook thing is different.

splinter65 · 19-11-2017 12:08PM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Mickey grabbing.

Maybe he thought he was having a bit of craic as this ott gay fella and saw this carry on as part of his schtick only for it to backfire spectacularly. At best it was misguided banter (in his mind) and at worst it was sexual harassment.
He's not doing himself any favours by staying silent on the matter.

Sexual assault, not harassment. I would consider someone reaching into my knickers and gabbing and squeezing my vagina an assault, not harassment.
I would physically defend myself in whatever way I could and complain to the Gardai and I would expect the person to be arrested.
I wouldn’t want the attacker to be allowed to think that they would get away with this.
The extreme left wing bias pervading this country has dictated that the normal rules somehow don’t apply to gay people.
Al Porter is absolutely astonished today to find that it’s possible that some small amount of dry ****es don’t think his dick grabbing is hilarious.
Because he has been egged on for the last couple of years by the sniggering masses.
His “innuendo” and double entendres turned into insults and crassness and offensive abusive smut (all you have to do is watch Blind Date) but because we’re all so liberal now we just kept right on pretending that he’s an absolute darling.

Don Kiddick · 19-11-2017 12:11PM

You're assuming we've seen blind date or his show

Dev84 · 19-11-2017 12:13PM

Don Kiddick wrote: »

You're assuming we've seen blind date or his show

To be fair if you've turned on the radio in the last 12 months you'll have heard of him.

Gwynplaine · 19-11-2017 12:13PM

Well Blind Date won't be on any more, so, bonus.

splinter65 · 19-11-2017 12:14PM

Don Kiddick wrote: »

You're assuming we've seen blind date or his show

...then you wouldn’t know how offensive he is, and oh ! how the people laughed!

retro:electro · 19-11-2017 12:16PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Claiming George Hook is better known surely doesn't matter? I mean Hook never touched ANYONE. Porter has apparently grabbed others genitals. Regardless of how "well known" or how "young" Porter is. His alleged misdemeanours are far worse than anything Hook did.

Agreed. Hook was thrown to the wolves for asking a question which he bolloxed up and immediately apologised for. His status and age and whatever else are irrelevant, as are Al's.
Al allegedly groped people under their trousers and laughed in their faces. What a fcuking disgusting thing to do. I don't care if he was in character or all bravado due to his shtick- you don't put your hands on another person let alone shove them down their clothes and grab their genitals.

I can't stand either of them, but I'll judge both of them for their actions alone. Hook misspoke and fcuked up, but got treated like he condoned rape or something.
Al apparently touched people inappropriately and the silence from some is deafening, especially since one is a crime and the other isn't.

Don Kiddick · 19-11-2017 12:17PM

Dev84 wrote: »

To be fair if you've turned on the radio in the last 12 months you'll have heard of him.

Nope

I know who he is...but I stay away from Irish TV and radio

wakka12 · 19-11-2017 12:26PM

KKkitty wrote: »

I believe his accusers. Why else would they say he's done this to them. His accusers don't seem like they want to make a quick buck off this but to make others aware that this is the sort of behaviour that Al Porter is capable of. I never went out of my way to watch Al Porter or listen to him on radio but there's no smoke without fire as the saying goes. The fact that he's been obviously instructed to go on any kind of leave speaks volumes.

Most likely is true, as you say 'why else would they say he's done this to them'. But then again, maybe a group of people could hate al porter, and think to themselves if four of us think of 4 detailed stories and go publicly everyone will think , why would this group of lads do this and have detailed stories.

I do think he's guilty, but Id like to see some proof of what he did before he gets any punishment.

Beechwoodspark · 19-11-2017 12:29PM

I just saw the front of the Sunday indo.

There's a fairly prominent picture of him on the cover looking remorseful.

They hardly had a photo shoot yesterday for that pic did they?

volchitsa · 19-11-2017 12:30PM

anna080 wrote: »

Agreed. Hook was thrown to the wolves for asking a question which he bolloxed up and immediately apologised for. His status and age and whatever else are irrelevant, as are Al's.
Al allegedly groped people under their trousers and laughed in their faces. What a fcuking disgusting thing to do. I don't care if he was in character or all bravado due to his shtick- you don't put your hands on another person let alone shove them down their clothes and grab their genitals.

I can't stand either of them, but I'll judge both of them for their actions alone. Hook misspoke and fcuked up, but got treated like he condoned rape or something.
Al apparently touched people inappropriately and the silence from some is deafening, especially since one is a crime and the other isn't.

Hook has a history of such comments, all known to be true, many of them having occurred on air. His bosses are entitled to take him off air if they feel his presence is harming their revenues, which it was. It's a business decision, end of story.

Porter, who I don't like at all, is accused of having done something which he denies. There may be a criminal trial, and it's important that nothing is done to prevent that happening. Like an assumption in the media of his guilt for instance.

See the difference?

giveitholly · 19-11-2017 12:31PM

volchitsa wrote: »

Hook has a history of such comments, all known to be true, many of them having occurred on air. His bosses are entitled to take him off air if they feel his presence is harming their revenues, which it was. It's a business decision, end of story.

Porter, who I don't like at all, is accused of having done something which he denies. There may be a criminal trial, and it's important that nothing is done to prevent that happening. Like an assumption in the media of his guilt for instance.

See the difference?

Where and when did he deny it?

Don Kiddick · 19-11-2017 12:32PM

volchitsa wrote: »

Hook has a history of such comments, all known to be true, many of them having occurred on air. His bosses are entitled to take him off air if they feel his presence is harming their revenues, which it was. It's a business decision, end of story.

Porter, who I don't like at all, is accused of having done something which he denies. There may be a criminal trial, and it's important that nothing is done to prevent that happening. Like an assumption in the media of his guilt for instance.

See the difference?

Yes...you're trying to make a correlation between unpopular opinion and sexual assault

splinter65 · 19-11-2017 12:33PM

volchitsa wrote: »

Hook has a history of such comments, all known to be true, many of them having occurred on air. His bosses are entitled to take him off air if they feel his presence is harming their revenues, which it was. It's a business decision, end of story.

Porter, who I don't like at all, is accused of having done something which he denies. There may be a criminal trial, and it's important that nothing is done to prevent that happening. Like an assumption in the media of his guilt for instance.

See the difference?

Have you a link to Porter denying the allegations? I didn’t see anything.

Dev84 · 19-11-2017 12:36PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Have you a link to Porter denying the allegations? I didn’t see anything.

But he's not obliged to defend himself on social media.

I wouldnt hesitate to think that if he has gone to a solicitor to take advice he has been told to say nothing until a statement is prepared by a good PR company and his solicitor.

mikeysmith · 19-11-2017 12:38PM

Dev84 wrote: »

But he's not obliged to defend himself on social media.

I wouldnt hesitate to think that if he has gone to a solicitor to take advice he has been told to say nothing until a statement is prepared by a good PR company and his solicitor.

They won't prepare any statement for a while

If he says anything immediately he can be wrongfooted by unfolding allegations

retro:electro · 19-11-2017 12:39PM

volchitsa wrote: »

Hook has a history of such comments, all known to be true, many of them having occurred on air. His bosses are entitled to take him off air if they feel his presence is harming their revenues, which it was. It's a business decision, end of story.

Porter, who I don't like at all, is accused of having done something which he denies. There may be a criminal trial, and it's important that nothing is done to prevent that happening. Like an assumption in the media of his guilt for instance.

See the difference?

When did he deny it?

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