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Our understanding certainly breaks down prior to what is called the electroweak epoch, due to a different reality as you say taking over. We have only dim hints and what that reality was like, but it seems to be pretty bizarre compared to what we know.It is an interesting area mind you. I suppose because we are of this reality, it makes it incredibly and increasingly difficult to describe a reality that may be or is outside of this one. In the singularity of the cosmic egg* at which point going backwards does the understanding and mathematics and language of our reality break down, because a different set of reality was/is/will be in play?
Hard to know. Yes, it may be intrinsically incapable of being communicated to an ape brain like ours. Others have suggested this.Is understanding, at least our understanding truly "universal"? Are the conditions that "caused" the singularity understandable at all, or are we forever mired in describing the goldfish bowl of our reality in terms of bowls and goldfish and the concept of blowing the glass and sourcing the water forever outside of our reach? TBH I bloody love that stuff.
or Primeval Atom. I go old stylee.
IIRC it was Hoyle who coined the "Big Bang Theory" and may have been in a derisive sense?
I will just say that "singularity" is an unfortunate term that has enter the public consciousness on this stuff. It's just an artifact of the maths, not something which actually occurred. Saying the universe "came from a singularity" would be the equivalent in evolutionary theory of saying that man evolved from a "gap in the fossil record".
The Cosmic Egg was of finite, not infinitesimal size. Again it's evolutionary equivalent would be the first single celled organisms. Again life sprang from these organisms, but there are questions over how they arose, how long they existed for, etc
The Cosmic Egg might have been sitting there for 50 trillion years before it erupted. It itself may have been "birthed" from another universe. It might have literally been created out of nothing randomly. We really don't know.
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Newtonian notions of mechanical power don't apply to spacetime, it's simply "beyond" lower level physics where things like power, etc apply. It doesn't require anything else to power its change. It simply shapes itself in accordance with the matter inside it, but the matter doesn't "power" its shaping.
That's a bit too supernatural for my liking.
Change needs a driver and a power source of some kind (I reckon
) otherwise it's just chaos. You can't have space just appearing at will otherwise you reach out to pick up your cup of tea and it could be on the far side of the room, or the galaxy!
Something has to cause it to happen - we may not know or be capable of knowing what that something is, but surely it has to be there?IE sooner or later some intelligent life somewhere may reach a stage where they get so far in understanding and technology of a sort we would see as magic, even "godlike" and can create other realities in the "lab", so giving birth to new realities, which in time will give birth to more and so forth.
I was reading an article the other day and it had a theory by a professor called Caleb Scharf. His theory was that we may not have been able to make contact with alien life simply because they have advanced to a level where we just are incapable of talking to them (try explain reality tv to an amoeba for example - they just won't get it, actually I don't either!:))
He postulates that they may have advanced so far that they aren't (in my best Mr Spock voice) life as we know it.
They may have evolved to the point where we can only experience them as the very laws of physics. They are there in the background pulling the strings and shaping the universe to the way it suits themselves, we are possibly just a side effect of their meddling, they may not (probably wouldn't in fact) regard us as an intelligence at all - you can split an atom, big deal we'll talk when you can build one from scratch, not just smash somebody elses!
It's a bit far out for my liking, but sure who knows - whatever is going on that has caused all this stuff to appear, by definition it has to be pretty far out!Oh oh, must be an Ayahuasca flashback I'm having. :eek::D
Got any left? I feel liked I could use some right now!:D0 -
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Some of what I say may sound arseholish, this is simply because forums provide no tone. Your questions are deep and interesting ones, to which I am simply providing the direct answers.
I do understand your confusion.
Let me emphasise one point. What I am saying here is observationally confirmed scientific fact. It is as far from supernatural as it is possible to get, i.e. directly confirmed mathematical models of natural behaviour. They describe something counter-intuitive, but reality does not have to conform to human intuition.sbsquarepants wrote: »That's a bit too supernatural for my liking.
You are confusing two issues here, causation and power.sbsquarepants wrote: »Change needs a driver and a power source of some kind (I reckon) otherwise it's just chaos. You can't have space just appearing at will otherwise you reach out to pick up your cup of tea and it could be on the far side of the room, or the galaxy!
Something has to cause it to happen - we may not know or be capable of knowing what that something is, but surely it has to be there?
I said that the expansion of spacetime requires no energy or power to occur. I did not say it was uncaused or that it occurs randomly for no reason. There are definite reasons/causes for the expansion of space, it's just that the mechanisms don't require energy or power.0 -
Some of what I say may sound arseholish, this is simply because forums provide no tone. Your questions are deep and interesting ones, to which I am simply providing the direct answers.
I do understand your confusion.
I have to say that this is one of the more interesting topics on the thread. I think you are doing a good job of explaining a complex subject in layman’s terms. You’re no Brian Cox, but you’re not far off.0 -
Some of what I say may sound arseholish, this is simply because forums provide no tone. Your questions are deep and interesting ones, to which I am simply providing the direct answers.
I do understand your confusion..
I don't think you sound arseholish at all, quite the opposite in fact. Thank you for taking the time to try and answer my poorly asked questions!Let me emphasise one point. What I am saying here is observationally confirmed scientific fact. It is as far from supernatural as it is possible to get, i.e. directly confirmed mathematical models of natural behaviour. They describe something counter-intuitive, but reality does not have to conform to human intuition..
How has it been observed?
If something is moving away from you say - how could you tell the difference between it moving away through existing space, and new space appearing somewhere between you and the object "moving" would it not just look like the same thing? Or are those 2 motions somehow different?
With the creation of enough new space, over a large distance say, would you not end up with objects appearing to move at faster than light speeds?
Actually is that a way you could tell it was new space and not common or garden motion?
You are confusing two issues here, causation and power.
I said that the expansion of spacetime requires no energy or power to occur. I did not say it was uncaused or that it occurs randomly for no reason. There are definite reasons/causes for the expansion of space, it's just that the mechanisms don't require energy or power.
I'm really struggling to comprehend this one.
If they don't require power, how can they "do" anything?
Surely the transfer of power of some kind is the difference between something happening and nothing happening?0 -
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cFishOnABike wrote: »Polar bears can trace their family tree back to Ireland. Genetic evidence shows they are descended from Irish brown bears that lived during the last ice age.
That’s fascinating thank you
Last ice age left Ireland about 10,000 BC so it’s far really not that long ago but our entire landscape and wildlife has changed so completely. Wonder when the last giant deer(or is it elk?) were killed off? The one In the national history museum still fills me with awe. It’s enormous.0 -
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The Cosmic Egg might have been sitting there for 50 trillion years before it erupted.0 -
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