Garda checkpoint pages

veryangryman · 10-11-2017 06:48PM #1

Im not sure if its allowed but...picture this scenario...

Your a detective looking for those evading tax and insurance for vehicle. The local garda checkpoints page on social media mentions that you have a checkpoint set up on road x in town. Immediately alot of people get tagged.

Surely 90% of these people are now suspicious and should be looked up on the national reg database and queried. Thus you catch alot of evaders. Result.

Basically im looking to see if theres a reason that this could not be done. Sounds like a money saver.

EndaHonesty · 10-11-2017 06:51PM

veryangryman wrote: »

Im not sure if its allowed but...picture this scenario...

Your a detective looking for those evading tax and insurance for vehicle. The local garda checkpoints page on social media mentions that you have a checkpoint set up on road x in town. Immediately alot of people get tagged.

Surely 90% of these people are now suspicious and should be looked up on the national reg database and queried. Thus you catch alot of evaders. Result.

Basically im looking to see if theres a reason that this could not be done. Sounds like a money saver.

The Gardai are already doing that...

Where do you think the 1.2 million breath tests came from?

Everyone tagged got one :pac:

jmayo · 10-11-2017 07:00PM

veryangryman wrote: »

Im not sure if its allowed but...picture this scenario...

Your a detective looking for those evading tax and insurance for vehicle. The local garda checkpoints page on social media mentions that you have a checkpoint set up on road x in town. Immediately alot of people get tagged.

Surely 90% of these people are now suspicious and should be looked up on the national reg database and queried. Thus you catch alot of evaders. Result.

Basically im looking to see if theres a reason that this could not be done. Sounds like a money saver.

A detective looking for motor tax and insurance evaders.
You are having a laugh, right ?

donegaLroad · 10-11-2017 07:01PM

The cops in Florida once set up a road sign which read 'narcotics checkpoint ahead'.

All the cars that stopped and turned back were followed and pulled over.

freshpopcorn · 10-11-2017 07:06PM

I find the people who tag one another in these posts often can be a little dozy! They just feel the need to tag people.

biko · 10-11-2017 07:08PM

Just make it a snitch system. If you report a driver and she or he gets nabbed and fined you get a fiddy for your troubles.

begbysback · 10-11-2017 07:09PM

If your a detective and your checking for tax disks, then you need to either apologise to the senior you pissed off, or get a new job

freshpopcorn · 10-11-2017 07:12PM

I actually do find these pages a little pointless to be honest generally by the time it is posted and shared the checkpoint is generally gone!
It only really works with speed vans.

veryangryman · 10-11-2017 07:16PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I actually do find these pages a little pointless to be honest generally by the time it is posted and shared the checkpoint is generally gone!
It only r7eally works with speed vans.

They do help to build up data of when and where the checkpoints are so people can avoid them though.

A simple numberplate database of what is and isnt insured taxed and on the road with fines deducted from welfare and salary automaticallly would be a dream.

Most of the tech is there already and the integrations surely cheaper than the manual manpower needed.

Badly Drunk Boy · 10-11-2017 11:04PM

I don't drive but I misunderstood the thread. I thought it was going to be about Gardaí posting fake checkpoints, and then waiting at the most obvious detour points. ("Nark! Nark!" they cry.)

branie2 · 11-11-2017 07:38AM

Is it ethical?

Heckler · 11-11-2017 09:36AM

veryangryman wrote: »

Im not sure if its allowed but...picture this scenario...

Your a detective looking for those evading tax and insurance for vehicle. The local garda checkpoints page on social media mentions that you have a checkpoint set up on road x in town. Immediately alot of people get tagged.

Surely 90% of these people are now suspicious and should be looked up on the national reg database and queried. Thus you catch alot of evaders. Result.

Basically im looking to see if theres a reason that this could not be done. Sounds like a money saver.

How exactly do you see this working ?

Garda: I see you looked up Garda checkpoints today.

Me: Yeah. So ?

Garda:............

Me:Bye Garda.

Are you 5 years old ?

TheChizler · 12-11-2017 03:18AM

Heckler wrote: »

How exactly do you see this working ?

Garda: I see you looked up Garda checkpoints today.

Me: Yeah. So ?

Garda:............

Me:Bye Garda.

Are you 5 years old ?

I think it's quite brilliant. Mary knows Tom has no tax, sees a post about a local checkpoint, tags Tom to warn him. If they can link a Facebook profile to a reg or address it's probably worth having a drive past and checking for a disk. If the car is parked on the public road then easy pickings.

Maybe a better job for a traffic warden though, not exactly the best use of a Garda's time.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 12-11-2017 03:49AM

Heckler wrote: »

veryangryman wrote: »

Im not sure if its allowed but...picture this scenario...

Your a detective looking for those evading tax and insurance for vehicle. The local garda checkpoints page on social media mentions that you have a checkpoint set up on road x in town. Immediately alot of people get tagged.

Surely 90% of these people are now suspicious and should be looked up on the national reg database and queried. Thus you catch alot of evaders. Result.

Basically im looking to see if theres a reason that this could not be done. Sounds like a money saver.

How exactly do you see this working ?

Garda: I see you looked up Garda checkpoints today.

Me: Yeah. So ?

Garda:............

Me:Bye Garda.

Are you 5 years old ?

It's not the people who look up the info who are targeted, it's the people who are tagged.

"Ooh, there's an insurance checkpoint in x road, I'll tag Heckler just in case he"s nearby"

Garda: Hello, Mr. Heckler...

Captain Obvious · 12-11-2017 10:25AM

veryangryman wrote: »

They do help to build up data of when and where the checkpoints are so people can avoid them though.

A simple numberplate database of what is and isnt insured taxed and on the road with fines deducted from welfare and salary automaticallly would be a dream.

Most of the tech is there already and the integrations surely cheaper than the manual manpower needed.

The vast majority of checkpoints aren't set up for finding taxed cars. I'd be surprised if any of them are. All these checkpoint pages do is help drink drivers, uninsured drivers and criminals. Whatever about pages for speed traps, telling people were checkpoints are is just poor form.

kildare lad · 12-11-2017 10:41AM

Do you think people who drive with no tax and insurance, look on facebook before going for a drive. I highly doubt it.

Sue Pa Key Pa · 12-11-2017 10:45AM

kildare lad wrote:

Do you think people who drive with no tax and insurance, look on facebook before going for a drive. I highly doubt it.

They are the type of shlts that look at Facebook while driving

12-11-2017 11:42AM

Checkpoints are so 20th century!
With all the technology and integrated databases, all they need to do is place a camera on the side of the road recording the vehicles passing.
With a number plate recognition system in place that checks each and every vehicle passing, all it needs to do is ping the traffic cop up the road that the red Ford Fiasco with reg xxDxxxxx has no insurance.

They then can just pull it if they want to.

The UK for example have adopted this to the extreme that driver have nothing displayed on the windscreen and we here have tow or three pieces of paper stuck on the screen.

PCeeeee · 12-11-2017 01:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Checkpoints are so 20th century!
With all the technology and integrated databases, all they need to do is place a camera on the side of the road recording the vehicles passing.
With a number plate recognition system in place that checks each and every vehicle passing, all it needs to do is ping the traffic cop up the road that the red Ford Fiasco with reg xxDxxxxx has no insurance.

They then can just pull it if they want to.

The UK for example have adopted this to the extreme that driver have nothing displayed on the windscreen and we here have tow or three pieces of paper stuck on the screen.

This. Tax/Insurance nonsense done.

Jawgap · 12-11-2017 02:15PM

veryangryman wrote: »

Im not sure if its allowed but...picture this scenario...

Your a detective looking for those evading tax and insurance for vehicle. The local garda checkpoints page on social media mentions that you have a checkpoint set up on road x in town. Immediately alot of people get tagged.

Surely 90% of these people are now suspicious and should be looked up on the national reg database and queried. Thus you catch alot of evaders. Result.

Basically im looking to see if theres a reason that this could not be done. Sounds like a money saver.

Nah....better strategy would be one based on maskirovka (the art of deceptive warfare).....set up a checkpoint, wait until details are posted on social media, then immediately move it, wait until its posted about again and move immediately......

........create so much 'noise' that people will think there are many more checkpoints than there actually are and that their chances of being caught are exponentially higher than is really the case - then they'll go off and either not drive or take out insurance.

Odhinn · 12-11-2017 02:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Checkpoints are so 20th century!
With all the technology and integrated databases, all they need to do is place a camera on the side of the road recording the vehicles passing.
With a number plate recognition system in place that checks each and every vehicle passing, all it needs to do is ping the traffic cop up the road that the red Ford Fiasco with reg xxDxxxxx has no insurance.

They then can just pull it if they want to.

The UK for example have adopted this to the extreme that driver have nothing displayed on the windscreen and we here have tow or three pieces of paper stuck on the screen.

Too costly. Far easier to take the current approach of just making things up on a massive scale.

BorneTobyWilde · 12-11-2017 02:47PM

Put the tax on the fuel and save everyone the trouble and expense of checkpoints.

Outlaw Pete · 12-11-2017 03:03PM

kildare lad wrote: »

Do you think people who drive with no tax and insurance, look on facebook before going for a drive. I highly doubt it.

12-11-2017 03:27PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Too costly. Far easier to take the current approach of just making things up on a massive scale.

The cost of the technology is dirt cheap these days, the Garda just have the wrong attitude to it.

Captain Obvious · 12-11-2017 05:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Checkpoints are so 20th century!
With all the technology and integrated databases, all they need to do is place a camera on the side of the road recording the vehicles passing.
With a number plate recognition system in place that checks each and every vehicle passing, all it needs to do is ping the traffic cop up the road that the red Ford Fiasco with reg xxDxxxxx has no insurance.

They then can just pull it if they want to.

The UK for example have adopted this to the extreme that driver have nothing displayed on the windscreen and we here have tow or three pieces of paper stuck on the screen.

Automatic number plate recognition is already used by Gardaí

CeilingFly · 12-11-2017 05:14PM

As said above, checkpoints are rarely set up specifically to target motor tax / insurance. Motor tax is done by anpr (installed in most traffic corp cars), insurance is being added to that database.

Primary reason is to disrupt criminal activity - insurance / tax is the reason to stop, but its keeping tabs on known criminals that is the real reason.

Classic example is a checkpoint in carlow a couple of months ago and a car pulled over with 1.2m cash belonging to kinahan corp.

12-11-2017 05:31PM

CeilingFly wrote: »

As said above, checkpoints are rarely set up specifically to target motor tax / insurance. Motor tax is done by anpr (installed in most traffic corp cars), insurance is being added to that database.

Primary reason is to disrupt criminal activity - insurance / tax is the reason to stop, but its keeping tabs on known criminals that is the real reason.

Classic example is a checkpoint in carlow a couple of months ago and a car pulled over with 1.2m cash belonging to kinahan corp.

What a wasteful way to operate though, if you have intelligence that a known crook is driving on the road, why not just target that vehicle, rather than inconvenience hundreds of law abiding drivers.

12-11-2017 05:32PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Automatic number plate recognition is already used by Gardaí

Obviously, they're not using it to its full potential!

freshpopcorn · 12-11-2017 05:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What a wasteful way to operate though, if you have intelligence that a known crook is driving on the road, why not just target that vehicle, rather than inconvenience hundreds of law abiding drivers.

Checkpoints are good for catching people on the hop tough for various reasons depending on how they act around the Garda. This wouldn't happen with an ANPR system.

Odhinn · 12-11-2017 05:49PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Automatic number plate recognition is already used by Gardaí

'That's the Supers car'
'Quick, delete it to fuck!'

mynamejeff · 12-11-2017 05:54PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Automatic number plate recognition is already used by Gardaí

one or two in every county and only in traffic units which dont work 247

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