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We’ve had abortions!/We haven't had abortions!

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  • #92
    beertons
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 23,298 ✭✭✭✭beertons


    I know a few who have gone to England. Fell pregnant to a guy they had no long term plans with. Said to themselves that they don't want contact with this person for the rest of their lives, and hopped on a plane. All were accompanied with friends over there, stayed with them for a few days too. They weren't the first, and certainly won't be the last. Even if it was allowed here, word would get back. Ireland is just too small a place.


  • #93
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    pitifulgod wrote: »
    Think people are as well off not engaging with the users who wish to make this about judgement... They're just missing the point of the thread.

    Yep, good point.


  • #94
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    The number of posting trying to shut down discourse and discussion is frightening. Either agree with this platform or shut up by certain posters.

    Abortion hasn't been shut down as a topic on boards. It has been discussed from every angle. And some of those discussions are very recent and some are ongoing. I struggle to think of a more thrashed out topic on boards.

    Don't be playing the victim just because you missed the point of the thread.

    I'd also like to point out that I am interested in hearing both positive and negative experiences and from both genders.


  • #95
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Mod Note: Folks, this is an emotive subject and will continue to be far, far into the future here.

    I would request that ALL posters, from BOTH sides of the argument remain respectful when posting. You remain responsible for what you post here and 'a sudden rush of anger' as a defense isn't going to be tolerated.

    If you have views that differ hugely from another poster or group of posters, the onus remains on you to respond with respect to their posts.

    If you wish to have a responsible conversation on this, you too will have to remain respectful. There are currently three threads ongoing on this subject so there are plenty of other places for you to post on this.

    Thanks in advance,

    Buford.


  • #96
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Abortion hasn't been shut down as a topic on boards. It has been discussed from every angle. And some of those discussions are very recent and some are ongoing. I struggle to think of a more thrashed out topic on boards.

    Don't be playing the victim just because you missed the point of the thread.

    I mean a shout you down topic as if certain poster mention a pro life view they are hounded by other posters, quite viciously at times.

    No one is playing the victim here.


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  • #97
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    I mean a shout you down topic as if certain poster mention a pro life view they are hounded by other posters, quite viciously at times.

    Will ya shtop. Already on this thread, someone who had an abortion has been denigrated for her "terrible life choices".


  • #98
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Will ya shtop. Already on this thread, someone who had an abortion has been denigrated for her "terrible life choices".

    Not by me.


  • #99
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    I mean a shout you down topic as if certain poster mention a pro life view they are hounded by other posters, quite viciously at times.

    No one is playing the victim here.

    Is it not possible to have one thread that is debate free? One thread where people can post without having to listen to the usual guff about the terrible thing they did? You are not being silenced but is it really necessary to bring it into this one thread?


  • #100
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Not by me.

    The discussion had moved on to general viewpoints. I think it was pretty clear that I wasn't talking about you there?


  • #101
    Tenigate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Tenigate


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Is it not possible to have one thread that is debate free? One thread where people can post without having to listen to the usual guff about the terrible thing they did? You are not being silenced but is it really necessary to bring it into this one thread?

    That's what blogs are for.


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  • #102
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Is it not possible to have one thread that is debate free? One thread where people can post without having to listen to the usual guff about the terrible thing they did? You are not being silenced but is it really necessary to bring it into this one thread?

    In a public forum? Yes it is. This whole thread reads like a Pro Choice campaign slot. Im very dubious over the nature of this thread.


  • #103
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    I have a close family member who had an abortion. She doesn't regret it. It doesn't seem to have caused her any trauma at all. Our family doesn't mourn the loss of a purely hypothetical relative.


  • #104
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    The discussion had moved on to general viewpoints. I think it was pretty clear that I wasn't talking about you there?

    Pretty clear, you clearly stated in a reply to me "Dont be playing the victim"


  • #105
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    In a public forum? Yes it is. This whole thread reads like a Pro Choice campaign slot. Im very dubious over the nature of this thread.

    So the other threads aren't enough for you? If this thread is going to become yet another debate what is even the point.


  • #106
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Mod- The_valeyard and _dara_. Do not post in this thread again. Reason-bickering is going to lead to more severe actions.


  • #107
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    Can we not have a thread where women and[bold] men[/bold] can talk about and share their experiences with abortion without this kind of rubbish?

    You see you actually can't have a thread like this on boards.
    Regardless of how you see abortion no man has the right to tell any woman what they can or cannot do with their own body.And until that is instilled in the male population any abortion discussion can't take place.

    take that to an extreem
    is it still only the womans body and her decision what happens to it at 36 weeks ?
    what if she finds out her partner has cheated on her and she no longer wants the baby should she be allowed terminate it?


  • #108
    Tenigate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Tenigate


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Will ya shtop. Already on this thread, someone who had an abortion has been denigrated for her "terrible life choices".

    Abortion IS a terrible choice. (And a terrible decision)

    Judgement is wrong. But there's a difference between judging someone and stating that you don't agree with their decision, or stating that you don't agree with them normalising their choices under the guise of sharing experiences.


  • #109
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Tigger wrote: »
    take that to an extreem
    is it still only the womans body and her decision what happens to it at 36 weeks ?
    what if she finds out her partner has cheated on her and she no longer wants the baby should she be allowed terminate it?

    Do you know how rare late term abortions are? They account for a tiny minority of all terminations and are usually for medical reasons such as severe foetal abnormalities. The idea that women would go through the trauma of labour and birth of a deceased baby just because they "no longer want" the child is preposterous. You only need to look at the amount of single mothers in any country, even where abortion is legal, to see that this doesn't happen


  • #110
    Tenigate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Tenigate


    Tigger wrote: »
    what if she finds out her partner has cheated on her and she no longer wants the baby should she be allowed terminate it?

    Wut?

    Would you use the same argument for a newborn?

    A baby isn't an engagement ring or a bargaining tool.


  • #111
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Do you know how rare late term abortions are? They account for a tiny minority of all terminations and are usually for medical reasons such as severe foetal abnormalities. The idea that women would go through the trauma of labour and birth of a deceased baby just because they don't want the child anymore is preposterous

    either answer the question or dont
    the poster i was replying states that a man should never have input onnwhat a woman does with her body

    i am on record as being abortionnon demand in the first trimester
    and for ffa or risk of the mothers life and that want assurances that outside of that if immto vote to repeal the eigth ammendment tonour constitution

    so i ast the extreem question


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  • #112
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Tenigate wrote: »
    Wut?

    Would you use the same argument for a newborn?

    A baby isn't an engagement ring or a bargaining tool.

    i know
    obviously you feel that the woman in questionnshould be made to carry the child to term


  • #113
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    Tenigate wrote: »
    Abortion IS a terrible choice. (And a terrible decision)

    Judgement is wrong. But there's a difference between judging someone and stating that you don't agree with their decision, or stating that you don't agree with them normalising their choices under the guise of sharing experiences.

    Abortion is a terrible choice and decision in your opinion .

    It was the best decision for us. Carrying another pregnancy to term was not a choice for us either. We couldn't afford it.

    I don't see myself as a victim of anything.


  • #114
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Tigger wrote: »
    either answer the question or dont
    the poster i was replying states that a man should never have input onnwhat a woman does with her body

    i am on record as being abortionnon demand in the first trimester
    and for ffa or risk of the mothers life and that want assurances that outside of that if immto vote to repeal the eigth ammendment tonour constitution

    so i ast the extreem question

    I doubt that situation would ever arise because it's highly unlikely that a termination for non medical reasons would be allowed that late in gestation. As well as the fact that no one would do that anyway so your question is ridiculous


  • #115
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    Tigger wrote: »
    either answer the question or dont
    the poster i was replying states that a man should never have input onnwhat a woman does with her body

    i am on record as being abortionnon demand in the first trimester
    and for ffa or risk of the mothers life and that want assurances that outside of that if immto vote to repeal the eigth ammendment tonour constitution

    so i ast the extreem question

    Termination of pregnancy would occur not termination of foetus.


  • #116
    One More Toy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,004 ✭✭✭One More Toy


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    Mod Note: Folks, this is an emotive subject and will continue to be far, far into the future here.

    I would request that ALL posters, from BOTH sides of the argument remain respectful when posting. You remain responsible for what you post here and 'a sudden rush of anger' as a defense isn't going to be tolerated.

    If you have views that differ hugely from another poster or group of posters, the onus remains on you to respond with respect to their posts.

    If you wish to have a responsible conversation on this, you too will have to remain respectful. There are currently three threads ongoing on this subject so there are plenty of other places for you to post on this.

    Thanks in advance,

    Buford.

    Never!!


    (please don't ban me I've had a few whiskeys and I'm emotional)


  • #117
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I doubt that situation would ever arise because it's highly unlikely that a termination for non medical reasons would be allowed that late in gestation. As well as the fact that no one would do that anyway so your question is ridiculous

    its not its leading and logical
    so at what number of weeks should it no longer be up to the mother


  • #118
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    January wrote: »
    Termination of pregnancy would occur not termination of foetus.

    a c section?


  • #119
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    Tigger wrote: »
    a c section?

    Cesarean or induction of vaginal birth can both be used yes.


  • #120
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    January wrote: »
    Cesarean or induction of vaginal birth can both be used yes.

    so who gets the baby?


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  • #121
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    Tigger wrote: »
    so who gets the baby?

    That depends, if the mother and father dont want to or are unable to look after them then they get put in care or adopted.


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