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Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    I think in the case where an allegation has been denied by the accused, then you are entitled to have your day in court and not be trialed by media.

    BBC has axed their Agatha Christie drama which featured Ed Westwick- bear in mind Ed has denied ever even meeting the woman, and she has changed details of the alleged circumstances when it was figured he wasn't even in the country at the time. If there are going to be names fired out on Twitter every single day now, its awful to think that there is the potential for innocent names to be mixed up in all of this.

    If you admit your wrongdoings (Harvey, Louis et al) then it's up to your individual employer to decide how they want to proceed but you deserve to face consequences (and on a personal level they can go to hell)- but where you've denied something then it's only right to be treated as our justice system advocates you be treated. Anything other than that just doesn't sit right with me. Now I've had a few wines so I'm not sure if I'm making sense


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭kingtiger


    anna080 wrote: »
    I think in the case where an allegation has been denied by the accused, then you are entitled to have your day in court and not be trialed by media.

    BBC has axed their Agatha Christie drama which featured Ed Westwick- bear in mind Ed has denied ever even meeting the woman, and she has changed details of the alleged circumstances when he said he wasn't even in the country at the time.

    If there are going to be names fired out on Twitter every single day now, its awful to think that there is the potential for innocent names to be mixed up in all of this. If you admit your wrongdoings then it's up to your individual employer to decide how they want to proceed- but where you've denied something then it's only right to be treated as our justice system advocates you be treated.


    Anything other than that just doesn't sit right with me.

    sorry mate had to format as I couldn't read it

    *edit* yes I am on your train of thinking


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 61 ✭✭my poor tortured hands


    A male rock star had a gig. After the gig his stage managers asks the crowd if anyone wants to go backstage to meet the superstar rock star. 100 girls step up. The manager says the rock star wants a massage. Is anyone willing.

    That may be fairly despicable but is it illegal?

    Anyone could do that if they were rich and famous. It's impossible to stamp out.

    It's not the rock stars fault that he's popular.

    What about ordinary irish men who are successful on Tinders or those apps. They can meet 3 different women per week but the women are willing participants. Other less successful men can't get any dates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Anthony Edwards (Top Gun, ER, Gotcha! etc) accuses a producer (Gary Goddard) of abusing him as a child:
    Anthony Edwards Accuses Producer Gary Goddard of Molesting Him "For Years"

    Anthony Edwards has written an emotional essay in which he alleges that writer-producer Gary Goddard molested him and raped his friend in a pattern of abuse that "went on for years."

    Edwards' piece, published Friday on Medium and titled "Yes Mom, There is Something Wrong," is particularly troubling considering his age at the time. The actor, now 55 years old and best known for his Emmy-nominated work on E.R., recalls meeting Goddard when he was 12. "He quickly became a dominant force in my life," Edwards writes. "He taught me about the value of acting, respect for friendship and the importance of studying." Calling Goddard — known for film work like 1987's Masters of the Universe and for a long list of credits designing and producing major theme park attractions including Jurassic Park: The Ride, Terminator 2/3D: Battle Across Time, Star Trek: The Experience, Jaws and King Kong on the Loose — a "sick father figure," Edwards writes that he and his five friends grew close to the man during what was a pivotal time in his life.

    "Pedophiles prey on the weak. My father, who suffered from undiagnosed PTSD from WWII, was not emotionally available. Everyone has the need to bond, and I was no exception. My vulnerability was exploited. I was molested by Goddard, my best friend was raped by him — and this went on for years. The group of us, the gang, stayed quiet," he writes after opening the essay by revealing that his mother approached him when he was 14 to ask about the rumors she'd heard about Goddard, that he was a pedophile. However, he "denied it through tears of complete panic," and "to face that truth was not an option as my sense of self was completely enmeshed in my gang of five friends who were all led by this sick father figure."

    He does not name the friends, but he does write that he confronted Goddard 22 years ago.

    "I happened to run into Gary Goddard at an airport," he recalls. "I was able to express my outrage at what he had done. He swore to his remorse and said that he had gotten help. I felt a temporary sense of relief. I say temporary because when Goddard appeared in the press four years ago for alleged sexual abuse, my rage resurfaced."

    It is not the first time Goddard has faced these types of accusations. He was named in a teen sex abuse lawsuit in 2014 by Michael Egan, whose case later collapsed under his own credibility issues, and his lawyers apologized for making false claims against some of the defendants. Egan later went to jail for fraud. Seeing Goddard's name in the press triggered Edwards, he writes, leading him to seek outside help.

    "At 51 years old, I was directed by a group of loving friends to a therapist who specializes in this kind of abuse. By processing my anger in a safe place with a professional, I was finally able to have the conversation that I wish I could have had with my mom when I was 14," he explains.

    As a result of that process, he has gained perspective on the abuse he suffered, but also how widespread his experience is among men. "I’ve learned a lot in these last four years. Most importantly, I’ve learned that I’m not alone. One in six men have an abusive sexual experience before they turn 18. Secrecy, shame and fear are the tools of abuse, and it is only by breaking the stigma of childhood sexual abuse that we can heal, change attitudes, and create safer environments for our children," he concludes, later ending the essay by offering links to resources that he has found helpful on his own journey. One of those he lists is Mariska Hargitay's Joyful Heart Foundation. (Edwards had a guest role opposite Hargitay on NBC's Law & Order: SVU, and he currently stars on Law & Order True Crime: The Menendez Murders)

    It has been 37 days since The New York Times published Jodi Kantor and Megan Twohey's investigative piece detailing Harvey Weinstein's decades of alleged sexual misconduct, a story that was quickly followed by Ronan Farrow's own investigation about Weinstein published by The New Yorker. Their work and subsequent stories on the subject opened the floodgates to create a far-reaching dialogue about harassment, assault and sexual misconduct, not only in Hollywood but in many industries across the globe. Thus far, the conversation about sexual misconduct has largely focused on female victims and accusers. There have been exceptions, however, like Corey Feldman, Terry Crews, and multiple men who came forward with claims that they were harassed or assaulted by APA agent Tyler Grasham.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭derfderf


    Seems it's George Takei's turn now. Always the first to pass judgement based on an accusation.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Louis CK's show is not going to age well.

    OvdEN0Z.jpg

    Here's the clip of that.




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    cloudatlas wrote: »

    We still have to remember, in fairness to Piven, that not one of the accusations made are remotely proven yet and the denials were instant and categoric.

    What this might certainly change in Hollywood is not only rape and sexual assault, but people leaving themselves in situations where rape and sexual assault may be alleged.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭mosi


    Am I the only person here who has never heard of Louis CK prior to this?


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    mosi wrote: »
    Am I the only person here who has never heard of Louis CK prior to this?

    Ranked 4th on Rolling Stone's 50 greatest stand ups of all time, behind Pryor, Carlin and Bruce, ahead of Hicks, Martin, Seinfeld, Rivers etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,634 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    There were alleged threats from the agent representing Louis C.K. and careers curtailed.

    As well as people being told 'delete your tweet about Louis'. Not joking, many female comedians have spoken about this.
    Plus you had the usual 'I'm a male feminist defending women' types (Aziz Ansari, for one) who would shut down all talk of Louis CK. This was widely known.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/louis-cks-powerful-army-of-celebrity-enablers

    George Takei-another guy hiding in plain sight.
    https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/929237835801964544
    Also, remember the time he was like 'I was molested by a camp scout leader-and it was great'? Yeah, not so innocent...well, it was never innocent.

    Another guy who's gonna get called out soon is Fred Armisen. An old Gawker article talks about how he is a total piece of crud. Likes to use and abuse women, spread STD's, and even dumped a girlfriend after she miscarried.

    http://gawker.com/fred-armisen-has-a-reputation-1677187580


    He's another guy with links to Bryan Singer, even being listed on a legal case together. So how quick until the 'Usual Suspect' gets called up in court?
    Anthony Edwards (Top Gun, ER, Gotcha! etc) accuses a producer (Gary Goddard) of abusing him as a child:

    https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/anthony-edwards-sexual-abuse-gary-goddard

    He molested Edwards, and then raped one of his friends-but I think the manipulation didn't stop there. Even as an adult, Antony Edwards I mean, and 37 years ago, Goddard told Edwards he'd 'gotten treatment'...and then only a few years ago, more accusations comes out. This Goddard guy is a real piece of excrement.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Funnyonion79



    Is that an actual real-life interview or was that a pi**take with actors - like Saturday Night Live? The Christian woman, the interviewer- it all seemed OTT - like they were just totally taking the pi**. I can’t believe that’s a real clip - OMFG!! What is Louis CK thinking???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭AllGunsBlazing


    Gutted for Anthony Edwards. Good actor and fair dues to him for getting to where he is while having to carry that burden around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,634 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Is that an actual real-life interview or was that a pi**take with actors - like Saturday Night Live? The Christian woman, the interviewer- it all seemed OTT - like they were just totally taking the pi**. I can’t believe that’s a real clip - OMFG!! What is Louis CK thinking???

    Interviewer is real, but parodying himself. The lady is an actress, Jen Falton I think her name is.

    It's all scripted. Convincing nevertheless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Funnyonion79


    Interviewer is real, but parodying himself. The lady is an actress, Jen Falton I think her name is.

    It's all scripted. Convincing nevertheless.

    Ah good - thank God for that!! I don’t watch Fox News but I was thinking jeez, they really are scraping the bottom of the barrel here :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    derfderf wrote: »
    Seems it's George Takei's turn now. Always the first to pass judgement based on an accusation.

    Sexual assault, serious allegation. I always held George in the highest regards, very very disappointed if true.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭arayess


    derfderf wrote: »
    Seems it's George Takei's turn now. Always the first to pass judgement based on an accusation.

    I wonder if he'll claim to be straight now..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,634 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5071687/Richard-Dreyfuss-accused-exposing-harassment.html

    Richard Dreyfuss been accused now-wow, what a week for him, eh.

    Seems that Chloe Moretz knew about the Louis CK thing weeks in advance-hence her not promoting the film. Someone told her to prep for the allegations. Hence her omission from red carpet promotional events.

    Also-11 women are now accusing Polanski of rape.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,692 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Also-11 women are now accusing Polanski of rape.

    Just reading the horror stories about Polanski now
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5070661/Roman-Polanski-accused-sexual-assault-high-LSD.html

    Why would someone like Meryl Streep defend him and give a standing ovation to a child rapist?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNrsV_o0KYo

    I see Jack Nicholson applauding in that video too, disturbing since the child rape happened at Nicholson's house.


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    I'm not surprised about George Takei. There was always something a bit seedy about him, I thought.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I'm not surprised about George Takei. There was always something a bit seedy about him, I thought.

    a sanctimonious git if ever there was one, maybe its cover for these guys

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭Mr.Wemmick


    Wow! What a bubble these stars lived in.. untouchable, total star power, can get away with any sort of behaviour. It's like something out a Greek or Egyptian tale, tales full of slaves who have absolutely no worth to the all powerful Gods.

    Seems like little has changed.. this has been hidden away out of sight for years. Exactly like the Catholic Church.

    Hope it all unravels now - more and more, the whole sordid disgusting mess out in the open for all to see.

    “The fact that society believes a man who says he’s a woman, instead of a woman who says he’s not, is proof that society knows exactly who is the man and who is the woman.”

    - Jen Izaakson



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    I'm not surprised about George Takei. There was always something a bit seedy about him, I thought.

    Social media darling though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    We still have to remember, in fairness to Piven, that not one of the accusations made are remotely proven yet and the denials were instant and categoric.

    What this might certainly change in Hollywood is not only rape and sexual assault, but people leaving themselves in situations where rape and sexual assault may be alleged.

    Okay I take the point, I responded in the heat of the moment after reading about him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Why would someone like Meryl Streep defend him and give a standing ovation to a child rapist?

    Well, he's the Hollywood liberal left's wet dream: escaped the Nazis, critically acclaimed foreign film maker, has had tragedy in his life, facilitates a few Oscar wins for many an A lister.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭Noel82


    Serial conservative basher and holier than thou preacher Takei outed. Couldn't happen to a nicer fellow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,478 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5071687/Richard-Dreyfuss-accused-exposing-harassment.html

    Richard Dreyfuss been accused now-wow, what a week for him, eh.

    Seems that Chloe Moretz knew about the Louis CK thing weeks in advance-hence her not promoting the film. Someone told her to prep for the allegations. Hence her omission from red carpet promotional events.

    Also-11 women are now accusing Polanski of rape.

    Considering that Richard Dreyfuss is a man with a bipolar disorder who had a cocaine problem the size of columbia, it's not a great suprise he's done some untoward things in his time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,265 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    I'm not surprised about George Takei. There was always something a bit seedy about him, I thought.

    Not going to pronounce him guilty just yet as due process, however its tricky to have that much pity for George as he has been incredibly smug for a long time.

    Think this tweet sums it up perfectly for me tbh.

    https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/929422010509414400

    (tweet below)
    I don't automatically believe allegations against people like George Takei, but this just shows why people like George Takei should be more cautious instead of automatically believing allegations against people THEY dislike. Never know when it's you in the hot seat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,634 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Considering that Richard Dreyfuss is a man with a bipolar disorder who had a cocaine problem the size of columbia, it's not a great suprise he's done some untoward things in his time.

    Yeah, and by his own admission, there are many years of his life he doesn't remember due to his addictions. He's claiming he was flirty, but by his own admission, an A-hole.

    A DC comics editor is also being outed as a serial sexual harasser, groper and assaulter. Sounds like a real Piece of excrement. There's even a quarantine around his office-as in no women allowed due to their own safety.
    This sounds like Julius Schwartz all over again.

    https://www.polygon.com/comics/2017/11/10/16635592/dc-comics-eddie-berganza-sexual-misconduct-report


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    mosi wrote: »
    Am I the only person here who has never heard of Louis CK prior to this?

    No. Never heard of him before this.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    Is that an actual real-life interview or was that a pi**take with actors - like Saturday Night Live? The Christian woman, the interviewer- it all seemed OTT - like they were just totally taking the pi**. I can’t believe that’s a real clip - OMFG!! What is Louis CK thinking???

    It was on Greg Gutfeld's 'Red Eye' on Fox. Off the rails crazy edgy programme broadcast in the small hours of the morning. It was a pisstake, as was almost everything else on 'Red Eye'.


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