Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

retro:electro · 10-11-2017 03:52PM

I'm just gonna ask it- how the fcuk would it be pleasurable to masterbate in front of women who are literally just standing there gawking at you? It's the bloody oddest thing. Surely something like that should either be done alone, or mutually beneficial. It sounds like the most awkward, least attractive thing ever.

Mokuba · 10-11-2017 03:54PM

anna080 wrote: »

I'm just gonna ask it- how the fcuk would it be pleasurable to masterbate in front of women who are literally just standing there gawking at you? It's the bloody oddest thing. Surely something like that should either be done alone, or mutually beneficial. It sounds like the most awkward, least attractive thing ever.

I completely agree with you. I'm sure most people would find it weird, pervy and disgusting.

But in the context of the stories provided, no crime was committed.

retro:electro · 10-11-2017 03:55PM

Mokuba wrote: »

I completely agree with you. I'm sure most people would find it weird, pervy and disgusting.

But in the context of the stories provided, no crime was committed.

I'm more talking about why someone would even do it in the first place, rather than the criminal side of it. It's the oddest thing.

10-11-2017 04:01PM

It's a power trip, I would guess. You're essentially showing that you have power over them. At least that's what all of this stuff seems to boil down to.

Penn · 10-11-2017 04:09PM

anna080 wrote: »

I'm more talking about why someone would even do it in the first place, rather than the criminal side of it. It's the oddest thing.

Perverted. Just something screwed loose in their minds. The fact that someone's being forced to watch them adds to their sexual excitement for it.

Neyite · 10-11-2017 04:14PM

anna080 wrote: »

I'm more talking about why someone would even do it in the first place, rather than the criminal side of it. It's the oddest thing.

It's definitely a thing. In a non-celeb world it's probably like the weirdo who masturbates on public transport or a park bench. Probably similar to flashing or sending dick pics. They get their arousal from the shock or disgust they get from the people they force to watch it.

Boom_Bap · 10-11-2017 04:27PM

People whack off, people whack off to different things. Louis' thing crosses the line if there is no consent.

His premier from his new movie was cancelled, now the distributor has cancelled the release entirely.

Bambi985 · 10-11-2017 04:29PM

I'd say it's more common that people realise too. Brett Ratner and James Toback are accused of masturbating in front of various actresses and there was a few accusations against Weinstein too.

Personally I've had it happen to me twice, once on a public bus in Spain and the second time when I was hiking in Budapest. I was with my sister the second time and my protective instincts kicked in and I literally chased the guy down the mountain and yelled blue murder at him, sick fcuk that he was.

I think a part of it is exhibitionism as well as a sort of sick thrill of "look what I can get away with" type of thing.

Penn · 10-11-2017 04:43PM

Bambi985 wrote: »

I'd say it's more common that people realise too. Brett Ratner and James Toback are accused of masturbating in front of various actresses and there was a few accusations against Weinstein too.

Personally I've had it happen to me twice, once on a public bus in Spain and the second time when I was hiking in Budapest. I was with my sister the second time and my protective instincts kicked in and I literally chased the guy down the mountain and yelled blue murder at him, sick fcuk that he was.

I think a part of it is exhibitionism as well as a sort of sick thrill of "look what I can get away with" type of thing.

I think I remember a guy from a Louis Theroux doc a few years back who had been arrested several times for following women and flashing them. He maintained that he didn't want to do it and wanted desperately to stop, but any time the opportunity arose for it, his brain would just switch into another gear and he'd convince himself that it was the right thing to do.

Some people are genuinely disturbed in those ways where it's genuinely a mental, psychological issue/compulsion. But I think in cases like Louis C.K, Harvey Weinstein etc, they did it because they could, and because they got off on it. They could control themselves if they really wanted, they just didn't care.

10-11-2017 04:49PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

People whack off, people whack off to different things. Louis' thing crosses the line if there is no consent.

His premier from his new movie was cancelled, now the distributor has cancelled the release entirely.

HBO has cut ties completely with him. He has been removed from an upcoming special about autism and all of his shows are being removed from their streaming service.

_Dara_ · 10-11-2017 05:10PM

So the Louis CK rumours appear to be true. Gotta be honest, this one hurts.

I’m a huge fan. His comedy is so full of humanity. This is really difficult to process.

Royale with Cheese · 10-11-2017 05:12PM

Louis CK was one of my favourite comedians and Kevin Spacey one of my favourite actors. I'm sure there are plenty of Weinstein films I love too.

So by that logic... I love the rolling stones, led Zeppelin, queens of the stone age, Rammstein. Except somebody in there to be next.

Boom_Bap · 10-11-2017 05:14PM

Is there any timeline on the Louis CK events?

_Dara_ · 10-11-2017 05:17PM

anna080 wrote: »

I'm just gonna ask it- how the fcuk would it be pleasurable to masterbate in front of women who are literally just standing there gawking at you? It's the bloody oddest thing. Surely something like that should either be done alone, or mutually beneficial. It sounds like the most awkward, least attractive thing ever.

Bambi985 wrote: »

I think a part of it is exhibitionism as well as a sort of sick thrill of "look what I can get away with" type of thing.

Yup. Anna, I’d really recommend Louis Theroux’s documentary about flashers. Can’t remember its name but give it a google. It’s a depressing watch but is a good insight into the minds of people who flash and masturbate in front of people.

10-11-2017 05:18PM

Celebrity is a weird thing; it's tough (at least for me personally) to separate the horrible people they can be & the horrible things they've done, from their body of work

Polanski, for example, is a disgusting and vile monster that has done deplorable acts, yet the Pianist remains one of the greatest WW2 movies out there -- I think.

Same with CK. Turns out he's a serial public masturbator -- yet is one of the greatest working comedians still today.

I really wouldn't be surprised if allegations come out about Chevvy Chase.

Boom_Bap · 10-11-2017 05:18PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Yup. Anna, I’d really recommend Louis Theroux’s documentary about flashers. Can’t remember its name but give it a google. It’s a depressing watch but is a good insight into the minds of people who flash and masturbate in front of people.

That episode is very deep though, there is alot about child molesters in it as well that is difficult to watch.

retro:electro · 10-11-2017 05:22PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Yup. Anna, I’d really recommend Louis Theroux’s documentary about flashers. Can’t remember its name but give it a google. It’s a depressing watch but is a good insight into the minds of people who flash and masturbate in front of people.

Is that the one where he goes to the treatment centre? I think I've seen it

strandroad · 10-11-2017 05:24PM

In terms of consent... Louis CK is a renowned comedian. If he asked me if he can **** in front of me I would absolutely expect it to be a bad joke. I would expect it to be a bad joke from most men (most are normal after all), but from him especially. And I would be appalled if he followed through.

Penn · 10-11-2017 05:25PM

anna080 wrote: »

Is that the one where he goes to the treatment centre? I think I've seen it

No, he visits a small community where sex offenders live (they tend to live in the same areas due to having to be certain distances from schools etc).

Youtube link to the doc, but it's one of those where half the screen is something else to avoid copyright infringement.

Boom_Bap · 10-11-2017 05:27PM

Penn wrote: »

No, he visits a small community where sex offenders live (they tend to live in the same areas due to having to be certain distances from schools etc).

Youtube link to the doc, but it's one of those where half the screen is something else to avoid copyright infringement.

I think that there is also a visit to a centre in it....one where a guy is opting to chemically castrate himself and he is questioning some of the images they are allowed put on their walls.

....I could be crossing episodes though

retro:electro · 10-11-2017 05:28PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I think that there is also a visit to a centre in it....one where a guy is opting to chemically castrate himself and he is questioning some of the images they are allowed put on their walls.

....I could be crossing episodes though

Yea that's the one I saw.

Just looked the YouTube clip there yea they're two different ones. I shall watch that later on.

_Dara_ · 10-11-2017 05:31PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

That episode is very deep though, there is alot about child molesters in it as well that is difficult to watch.

Yeah, it’s about various types of sexual deviance. Very tough watch, depressing. And I did actually feel sorry for some of the interviewees. They were no Harvey Weinsteins, twirling their moustaches. Many of them were pathetic figures.

anna080 wrote: »

Is that the one where he goes to the treatment centre? I think I've seen it

That’s the one.

retro:electro · 10-11-2017 05:34PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Yeah, it’s about various types of sexual deviance. Very tough watch, depressing. And I did actually feel sorry for some of the interviewees. They were no Harvey Weinsteins, twirling their moustaches. Many of them were pathetic figures.

That’s the one.

I remember thinking could you ever actually trust these people again. One guy seemed genuinely remorseful and even seemed to gain Louis' sympathy, but you have to remember that these people are professional groomers. They know how to get you on side and how to convince you of their decency.

Outlaw Pete · 10-11-2017 05:46PM

Wonder if Madonna has any accusers waiting in the wings, she certainly seems handsy with her young fans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q--VdKQ8m_c

Shurimgreat · 10-11-2017 05:50PM

Mokuba wrote: »

I completely agree with you. I'm sure most people would find it weird, pervy and disgusting.

But in the context of the stories provided, no crime was committed.

I believe indecent exposure is a crime.

Otherwise people would be walking the streets all the time flashing and masturbating on front of everyone. They'd be doing it on the train, in the street, on the bus, no crime whatsoever in your eyes. Or maybe just maybe most countries have laws against it. In which case this guy did commit a crime. A repeat offender would probably find themselves on a sex offenders register. In this particular case, he had his tackle out before they even had a chance to say no.

Call me old fashioned but I think women shouldn't have to watch men masturbate on front of them without at least some consent.

Mokuba · 10-11-2017 05:50PM

Whether he is telling the truth or not, the third paragraph is particularly accurate.

Mokuba · 10-11-2017 05:52PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I believe indecent exposure is a crime.

Otherwise men would be walking the streets all the time flashing and masturbating on front of everyone. They'd be doing it on the train, in the street, on the bus, no crime whatsoever in your eyes. Or maybe just maybe most countries have laws against it. In which case this guy did commit a crime. A repeat offender would probably find themselves on a sex offenders list. In this particular case, he had his tackle out before they even had a chance to say no.

Call me old fashioned but I think women shouldn't have to watch men masturbate on front of them without at least some consent.

He wasn't in public. Indecent exposure specifically relates to public places.

They gave consent. You might say they were awkward/joking/etc - but they gave it. In the other scenario where consent was not given, he did not perform any act.

Shurimgreat · 10-11-2017 05:53PM

Weinstein at all have denied they committed any crime or did anything to anyone.

They are hardly going to hold their hands up and admit it. If they did, they would be heading straight to jail, their careers would be ruined and they'd probably have to pay significant compensation.

Their denials are utterly meaningless.

Hande hoche! · 10-11-2017 05:54PM

Louis CK's show is not going to age well.

Shurimgreat · 10-11-2017 05:54PM

Mokuba wrote: »

He wasn't in public. Indecent exposure specifically relates to public places.

They gave consent. You might say they were awkward/joking/etc - but they gave it. In the other scenario where consent was not given, he did not perform any act.

WTF? He was in a room with two women who gave no consent. Your defence of him and the others is going to frankly bizarre lengths.

Next you will be saying Weinstein did nothing!

Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

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