Poles told to breed 'like rabbits' to fight falling birth rate

Poles have small families anyway, 1-2 kids

You seem to be criticising a country for wanting its population to sustain itself rather than wanting to import millions of middle eastern and north african refugees. Its perfectly valid and much less hassle

And I dont see anything wrong with them trying to encourage people to have babies. Polish birth is far below replacement level..a countries birth rate needs to be healthy so that the population pyramid doesnt invert and a demographic crisis occurs. Sub sahran african countries should be condemned for not trying educate their population to try and bring their average birth rate below 5 children per woman..those coutnries, among others to a lesser extent, are responsible for 'overpopulation',not poland. Poland shouldnt be condemned for trying prevent a demographic time bomb go off

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Poland obviously wants their "production units" home grown.

Just goes to show that the ruling elite are on a different planet to the rest of us!.

So you start a thread complaining about selfish Poles who are trying to increase their 1.3 birth rate while Irish is over 2.

While I dislike their government they are not doing anything different than for example Germans who tried various measures to increase birth rate.

http://m.spiegel.de/international/germany/a-873635.html
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/17/fertility-rate-germany-rises-33-year-high-births-children-population

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is the problem when you have an economic model that is hard coded to infinite growth, it would be fairly easy to tweak it to be steady state but this would mean business empires wouldn't grow and the top 0.01% would have fewer billions flowing in, and that won't do!

Do you think 0.01% are worried about their pensions or health care? It's the masses whose living standards will suffer.

mahamageehad wrote: »

Reminds me of the miserable failure that was Fertility Day in Italy. :pac:

There are many ways of incentivising people to have more children, ads ain't one.

Germany has tried many methods costing hundreds of millions of euros and government interventions of any kind seem to have negligible impact on birth rates

I do wonder how much is just general trend. I come from another central European country whose birth rate is slowly increasing. A lot of my friends have three kids, before one or two would be more common. Childcare provisions, maternity leave and benefit were always fairly generous relative to standard of living, there were no major changes in that regard.

I do wonder if the size of housing, especially apartments would influence birth rate.

I will gladly help in this crisis, give me all the hot single Polish women and I'll repopulate the place.

mahamageehad wrote: »

The birth rate in Germany is (very) slowly but surely rising. Yes, some of it is being driven by migrants, but not all. Actually, most of my friends have 2 kids now, with many considering having a third so anecdotally at least it's certainly increasing as many of them were themselves single children. Things that incentivise people to have kids are stuff like affordable housing and childcare availability etc. not ads of rabbits on a telly. A government shouldn't be trying to interfere or intervene with what happens between your legs, they should be focusing on creating an infrastructure and society that makes it possible.

If there's anything crushing populations it's the nihilistic and aggressive individualism promoted by consumerist globalism. Live in a box, work in a box and consume, consume, consume, die and get buried in a box.
They're building a 'mouse utopia' and that leads to a population crash.

wakka12 wrote: »

That is very anecdotal..Irelands birth rate at a measly 2.0 or so is still lightyears ahead of most central and east europeans incredibly low birth rates

Regardless of how much it changes, apparently germany and most of central and east europes population are irreversibly ****ed due to so many successive generations of declining birth rates..by ****ed I mean it is impossible for those countries to ever again achieve a healthy or optimal age demographic ratio and will 100%(this is not a maybe scenario) lead to huge problems with worker/pension ratio in the country

With 50% of jobs predicted to be replaced by robots in the coming years and thus the constant decline in the need for manual and unskilled labor, worrying about the pension crisis looks like petty short term thinking that will be solved with a generational die off withing 50yrs. The future will need less labor and thus less people, so frankly (given global warming) so does the world, so perhaps first world population decline is a good thing?

wakka12 wrote: »

That is very anecdotal..Irelands birth rate at a measly 2.0 or so is still lightyears ahead of most central and east europeans incredibly low birth rates

Regardless of how much it changes, apparently germany and most of central and east europes population are irreversibly ****ed due to so many successive generations of declining birth rates..by ****ed I mean it is impossible for those countries to ever again achieve a healthy or optimal age demographic ratio and will 100%(this is not a maybe scenario) lead to huge problems with worker/pension ratio in the country

I'm not disputing that large parts of Europe are facing huge issues around pensions and health care. However there are countries whose birth rate stopped falling and it's even increasing. Germany and Slovenia (my example) are two of those countries. My example wasn't anecdotal, it is supported by actual stats. But the increase definitely isn't big enough to pay for pensions.