Is the term "Non National" Racist ?

Dr Brown · 07-11-2017 05:15PM #1

I can't see anything wrong with using the term "Non National" but some people seem to think its "racist".

faceman · 07-11-2017 05:16PM

Some people think the moon landing was fake. Doesn’t mean it’s true.

amcalester · 07-11-2017 05:17PM

It’s stupid but it’s not racist.

srsly78 · 07-11-2017 05:18PM

Nationality != race.

P. Breathnach · 07-11-2017 05:22PM

It's imprecise: everybody has a nationality. But that's just a pet peeve of mine.

Sometimes the term is used with bad intent: it's just another way of saying "bleeding foreigner".

Are Am Eye · 07-11-2017 05:22PM

srsly78 wrote: »

Nationality != race.

So you reckon it's nationalist as opposed to racist?

Are Am Eye · 07-11-2017 05:24PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

: everybody has a nationality. ".

What if you're born on a ship in international waters?

Celticfire · 07-11-2017 05:31PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

What if you're born on a ship in international waters?

What if my Aunt had balls??

Rubberchikken · 07-11-2017 05:34PM

Why not just use the word foreigner?
That is what someone is when they're from another country.
I don't think non-national is racist I just think it's pointless. Doesn't everyone have a nationality?

Are Am Eye · 07-11-2017 05:39PM

Celticfire wrote: »

What if my Aunt had balls??

Oh I wouldnt be surprised. Is she one of these non nationals. HSE will end up paying for the op

Dr Brown · 07-11-2017 05:40PM

Rubberchikken wrote: »

Why not just use the word foreigner?
That is what someone is when they're from another country.
I don't think non-national is racist I just think it's pointless. Doesn't everyone have a nationality?

I think the new term we are suppose to use now is "Non-Irish National".

topper75 · 07-11-2017 05:45PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

I think the new term we are suppose to use now is "Non-Irish National".

Who decides this kind of thing and by what authority?

Foreigner is a grand word and works fine for me. Well enough alone I say.

gramar · 07-11-2017 05:46PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

I think the new term we are suppose to use now is "Non-Irish National".

They're either Irish or non national. A non Irish national doesn't make sense.

suicide_circus · 07-11-2017 05:49PM

It only makes sense if you're referring to someone who's nation no longer exists. Everyone is a "national" of somewhere. It's a nonsense phrase adopted by the media for fear of actually naming the place of origin of an individual lest they be accused of racism.

Dr Brown · 07-11-2017 05:49PM

topper75 wrote: »

Who decides this kind of thing and by what authority?

The PC brigade tell us what terms we can and can't use.

The_Valeyard · 07-11-2017 05:56PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

The PC brigade tell us what terms we can and can't use.

Thats why we need to put them into a giant bag and beat them with sticks

Mrs OBumble · 07-11-2017 05:57PM

As a foreigner, I prefer to be called "foreigner" than "non-national": it defines me by what I am, rather than what I'm not.

It's very difficult for you to know whether I'm an Irish national or not: you cannot tell from my skin colour or my accent whether I have paid the thousand-ish yo-yo required to become an Irish national: Having an Irish passport may not make someone "Irish" (whatever that means), but it absolutely makes them an Irish national.

Also - I am a national, just not necessarily of the same nation that you're from.

I'm actually a foreign-born Irish national, which makes me a little different again!

And none of this, you notice, is to to with race.

Lux23 · 07-11-2017 05:57PM

I also think it is nicer to refer to where a person is from - 'Johnny, from China' is a simple to say Johnny, a non-national.

Are Am Eye · 07-11-2017 05:59PM

Technically Irish are Non Internationals.
Its perfectly simple, you have peoples who are Nationals and you have people who are Internationals. You then have the corresponding set of Non Nationals and Non Internationals which contains all people except those born in international waters or those who are extra planetary.

Odhinn · 07-11-2017 06:02PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

Technically Irish are Non Internationals.
Its perfectly simple, you have peoples who are Nationals and you have people who are Internationals. You then have the corresponding set of Non Nationals and Non Internationals which contains all people except those born in international waters or those who are extra planetary.

Too confusing. What's wrong with "one of them"?

Harry Palmr · 07-11-2017 06:05PM

Non national is a stoopid term. Almost everyone in Ireland is a national of somewhere.

Boom_Bap · 07-11-2017 06:06PM

I'm a Non Moldovian National, there, I said it.

super_furry · 07-11-2017 06:07PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

The PC brigade tell us what terms we can and can't use.

Where and when? I'm not saying it doesn't go on but I don't think I can recall anyone here railing against the use of 'non-national'.

Game Face MCGee · 07-11-2017 06:14PM

Cover all bases and assume everything you u say is racist, homophobic or sexist and you be grand!

topper75 · 07-11-2017 06:19PM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Thats why we need to put them into a giant bag and beat them with sticks

First, they came for the PC brigade, and I did nothing - because I was not in the PC brigade.

But also largely because they more than deserved it by this point.

Victor · 07-11-2017 06:20PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

I can't see anything wrong with using the term "Non National" but some people seem to think its "racist".

As mentioned, it is a stupid phrase that is used willy-nilly and insensitively. The word isn't inherently bad, but its use can be. The Equal Status Acts include discrimination on the basis of nationality under the concept of racism.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2000/act/8/enacted/en/print.html

(2) As between any two persons, the discriminatory grounds (and the descriptions of those grounds for the purposes of this Act) are:

...

(h) that they are of different race, colour, nationality or ethnic or national origins (the “ground of race”),

Are Am Eye wrote: »

What if you're born on a ship in international waters?

You follow the relevant law. Typically you take the nationality of your parents.

Rubberchikken wrote: »

Why not just use the word foreigner?

that might not be precise, e.g. there might be someone entitled to Irish citizenship, but hasn't availed of it.

Rubberchikken wrote: »

Doesn't everyone have a nationality?

No. Some people have been rendered stateless for whatever reason, e.g. citizens of the former Yugoslavia or USSR who didn't take up another citizenship or were precluded from doing so. Others have had citizenship revoked.

gramar wrote: »

They're either Irish or non national. A non Irish national doesn't make sense.

Non-Irish national means they aren't a Irish national. Non-national implies no nationality at all.

Irish Guitarist · 07-11-2017 06:21PM

Very racist. Second only to lynching blacks.

longshanks · 07-11-2017 06:23PM

Celticfire wrote: »

What if my Aunt had balls??

Ah good old Aunt Derek, big old mickey on her too.

Are Am Eye · 07-11-2017 06:25PM

Victor wrote: »

You follow the relevant law. Typically you take the nationality of your parents.

ked.

We still have a problem with test tube babies born in international waters. Also people born there and who remain there in a ship going around in circles. There is no relevant law where no law exists.

Your move.

Dr Brown · 07-11-2017 06:27PM

Game Face MCGee wrote: »

Cover all bases and assume everything you u say is racist, homophobic or sexist and you be grand!

You forgot Islamophobic.

Odhinn · 07-11-2017 06:28PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

We still have a problem with test tube babies born in international waters. Also people born there and who remain there in a ship going around in circles. There is no relevant law where no law exists.

Your move.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRdIltdDE4A

Is the term "Non National" Racist ?

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