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I wouldn't say their racing is poor, it's in a very healthy position and there is no shortage of quality stock, imported or home grown. I'd say their pattern races and racing programmes are very badly out of sync with what's needed to match up to the European pattern.
They have high quality middle-distance European imports who they then run in big races over 7 and 8f before eventually returning them to their proper racing distances. It seems to mess up a lot of formerly high quality horse, although many imports do also thrive there. It's like some of the North American GP 1 grass races where Gp2 European horses are usually of a standard good enough to be competitive in them, but the messed up trial race opportunities over inappropriate distances in Australia adds a terrible spanner to the works.
Their idea of what constitutes a GP1 race is demonstrably inferior to Europe's quality demands for Group 1 racing.
There are 72 GP1 races in the Australian racing calendar.
In the UK there are 36 Gp 1 races.
In France there are 27 Gp races.
In Ireland there are 12 Gp 1 races.
The standard of racing in Australia beyond 8 furlongs is utter utter utter rubbish. Interesting to watch I admit (I do watch a fair bit of it after the pubs on Saturday Night/Sunday Morning) Yes, extremely healthy industry but it is quantity over quality . No surprise that it rare for Aussie horses to be seen in the top 10 of the World Rankings each each. As you have shown, the number of Group 1s where there are more sheep and horses than people........ If the Group 1 was not won in Victoria or New South Wales, forget about it. Queensland? Western Australia ? GTFO, ain't got no time for that. It is like winning a German or Italian Group 1 (germans still offer good money for their Derby though)
Good horses, maybe (well, they ain't doing much outside Oz , anymore) You have to take the form of almost every pattern race with a huge pinch of salt (which is great for betting, I should add) because of the handicapping
We got Winx beating nothing and actually, hanging onto to beating a then out of form 3 year old , Highland Reel (,who went on to a huge win in Hong Kong but that was at 12 f) in October 2015 to justify her lofty position in the world rankings at the end of 2016 to present. Hartnell , yesterday took another dive in the form, but, since Melbourne Cup is a Handicap, aka ticket for cheating bastards, I am sure they will be happy enough to see his weight being lowered where possible (to be fair, I am not sure that is Godolphin's style)
The Aussies don't give a toss about proper weight structures for their Group 1s, they hate the boredom of a horse winning everything at level weight, they are concerned about their ability to have a bet. Ridiculous, HORSE first, those morons second. They are philistines, contemptible
As for the so called high quality middle distance horses that Coolmore and Juddmonte flog off for a lot of money (eg Sea Moon, Exosphere, Harleem, Grand Marshall being recent Juddmonte's) they are FLOGGED! Ran in 6-7 furlong races at HUGE weight, and even pushed into Group 1s getting in the way. Mark Johnston would be in his element down there.
I don't want to hear a god damn excuse about the lack of 12-14 furlong races in Oz, it is simple, create them. Prize money for mickey mouse handicaps in the country division of Oz can embarrass European listed and even some Group 3s. No issue with prize money. They already have the Caulfield and the Sydney Cup as Group 1s which of course, surprise surprise are handicaps
That is no way to train a horse, but, sure, as I said about the Melbourne Cup, ticket for cheats , any European Trainer whose horse has already won a Group 1, even a minor Group 1 (there are some in Europe that are not that important) they need their heads checked sending their horse to that race eg Order of St George was 121 in the ratings and yet Hartnell who 2 lb superior (apparently and was in the top 10 in the world) had 2 KGs less than OSG
As for the US, at least they have genuine and legit programme for turf horses that run over 10-12 furlongs . Sure a few of them are glorified handicaps, but the best tend to win (saying that Flintshire won a Group 1 last year and was actually GETTING WEIGHT , easiest couple of quid won on the bookings, he was only second favourite. He got 2 lb over the out of form Big Blue Kitten in the Manthanan at Belmont) Moreover, their major Turf races at those distances are WFA0 -
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The standard of racing in Australia beyond 8 furlongs is utter utter utter rubbish. Interesting to watch I admit (I do watch a fair bit of it after the pubs on Saturday Night/Sunday Morning) Yes, extremely healthy industry but it is quantity over quality . No surprise that it rare for Aussie horses to be seen in the top 10 of the World Rankings each each. As you have shown, the number of Group 1s where there are more sheep and horses than people........ If the Group 1 was not won in Victoria or New South Wales, forget about it. Queensland? Western Australia ? GTFO, ain't got no time for that. It is like winning a German or Italian Group 1 (germans still offer good money for their Derby though)
Good horses, maybe (well, they ain't doing much outside Oz , anymore) You have to take the form of almost every pattern race with a huge pinch of salt (which is great for betting, I should add) because of the handicapping
We got Winx beating nothing and actually, hanging onto to beating a then out of form 3 year old , Highland Reel (,who went on to a huge win in Hong Kong but that was at 12 f) in October 2015 to justify her lofty position in the world rankings at the end of 2016 to present. Hartnell , yesterday took another dive in the form, but, since Melbourne Cup is a Handicap, aka ticket for cheating bastards, I am sure they will be happy enough to see his weight being lowered where possible (to be fair, I am not sure that is Godolphin's style)
The Aussies don't give a toss about proper weight structures for their Group 1s, they hate the boredom of a horse winning everything at level weight, they are concerned about their ability to have a bet. Ridiculous, HORSE first, those morons second. They are philistines, contemptible
As for the so called high quality middle distance horses that Coolmore and Juddmonte flog off for a lot of money (eg Sea Moon, Exosphere, Harleem, Grand Marshall being recent Juddmonte's) they are FLOGGED! Ran in 6-7 furlong races at HUGE weight, and even pushed into Group 1s getting in the way. Mark Johnston would be in his element down there.
I don't want to hear a god damn excuse about the lack of 12-14 furlong races in Oz, it is simple, create them. Prize money for mickey mouse handicaps in the country division of Oz can embarrass European listed and even some Group 3s. No issue with prize money. They already have the Caulfield and the Sydney Cup as Group 1s which of course, surprise surprise are handicaps
That is no way to train a horse, but, sure, as I said about the Melbourne Cup, ticket for cheats , any European Trainer whose horse has already won a Group 1, even a minor Group 1 (there are some in Europe that are not that important) they need their heads checked sending their horse to that race eg Order of St George was 121 in the ratings and yet Hartnell who 2 lb superior (apparently and was in the top 10 in the world) had 2 KGs less than OSG
As for the US, at least they have genuine and legit programme for turf horses that run over 10-12 furlongs . Sure a few of them are glorified handicaps, but the best tend to win (saying that Flintshire won a Group 1 last year and was actually GETTING WEIGHT , easiest couple of quid won on the bookings, he was only second favourite. He got 2 lb over the out of form Big Blue Kitten in the Manthanan at Belmont) Moreover, their major Turf races at those distances are WFA
Couldn't argue with much of that. By quality imports, I was thinking of all the decent staying types that have been bought in by cash rich Australian owners. Of course practicality none of those imports were true championship standard in Europe, especially not over 8-12f.
The Aussies are not too interested in producing World Class classic distance stock like Europeans are. They've got their own racing system which is more akin to cash rich super handicapping and sprinting-miling.
I don't see too much wrong with Winx, she's beaten all that's been put in front of her, has been raced over distances short of her best and still wallops everything. The collateral form with her is confusing because European horses who have raced against her have been a mixture of overperformers and underperformers.
I think Galway Races when I think of Australian racing, normal training rules and form don't seem to be too important. There's a feeling of an undercurrent of potential dodginess coming from Australian racing because it doesn't really add up for us. Not so sure that isn't just our misunderstanding of their racing game. Unlike European racing, Australian racing is a very domestic game.
They do have some very good young stallions down there, so the breed/hybrid there is not to be sneered at.0 -
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