The Walking Dead | Season 8 | Episode 2 | The Damned [AMC] [SPOILERS]

shutup · 31-10-2017 06:31PM

Where were the group Carol and King Ezekiel were in going?
They seemed to be following someone as they found his blood on a leaf.

jonon9 · 31-10-2017 07:41PM

shutup wrote: »

Where were the group Carol and King Ezekiel were in going?
They seemed to be following someone as they found his blood on a leaf.

I thought they were just chasing one lad.

duffman13 · 31-10-2017 07:48PM

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I used to love the show, I only twigged the new season was out because I noticed a thread on boards. Sat down and watched the two episodes back to back and honestly felt like I'd missed a huge scene somewhere but nope it was just confusing.

It's pox having invested so much time into the premise of the show and the characters that is has sunk to this. If Negan doesn't die soon the show is done, it's time to move on from Alexandria at this stage one way or another

duffman13 · 31-10-2017 07:50PM

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shutup wrote: »

Where were the group Carol and King Ezekiel were in going?
They seemed to be following someone as they found his blood on a leaf.

It was the lookout for an outpost, he hid behind a car and chucked a grenade then did a legger. He then got eaten by the ****in lion, what a weird episode!

NUTZZ · 31-10-2017 08:36PM

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Poll added...later than usual!

shineon23 · 01-11-2017 01:09AM

duffman13 wrote: »

It was the lookout for an outpost, he hid behind a car and chucked a grenade then did a legger. He then got eaten by the ****in lion, what a weird episode!

Is that some sort of animal racism?

The lady is a tiger to be fair.

:D

HangSandwitch · 01-11-2017 01:13AM

What the fcuk. Worst. Episode. Ever

biggebruv · 01-11-2017 09:33AM

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I'd like to see the script

Smokey shots with blue steel impressions of the cast

pew pew pew
bang bang bang
rraaarrr munnniccchhh munnnicch
bbbooom
plosions

again Smokey shots with blue steel impressions of the cast

alchemist33 · 01-11-2017 11:34AM

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One simple scene at the start of last weeks episode would have helped - show us what their plan is. I know it takes away some of the mystery of the grand scheme, but at least we'd know what the stakes are. Instead they tell us it's really important Carol's group find their man, but we don't really know why because it's just a mess of people shooting at people in god-only-knows how many sites, with god-only-knows some number of baddies driving around the countryside who must for some reason be kept in the dark about the attack. Which is odd as they're making a helluva lot of noise at the other sites.

As for the lingering slo-mo shots of our heroes, I'm all for a bit of artistry but a story has to earn the right to do that. You have to work up to it and maybe do it towards the climax. But not now at the start of the season where it looks like they're force feeding us the idea that it's all so deep and heroic and we should really, really care. Because I care less and less at this ham-fisted writing and direction.

And the last scene, which I'm sure I was meant to be on the edge of my seat for, I was "oh my God, it's... it's... it's... who?"

nc6000 · 01-11-2017 12:36PM

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This was in The Guardian's episode recap and explain who Morales is :

"Let’s begin with some housekeeping: we last saw Morales back in season one. He’d explained that he didn’t really fancy a trip to the CDC to look for the cure, and would rather take his family to Birmingham, Alabama. At the end of the second episode of season eight, a disheveled Morales was left pointing a gun at Rick’s face. So we can safely assume that the decision to leave didn’t work out too well for him."

snowgal · 01-11-2017 01:29PM

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Im in a small minority who liked this episode I think! Yes there was lots of problems and lots of shooting no one but I liked the tension of it and skipping from scene to scene. I thought it was better than the first one. Anything for me is better than last season, I really didn't like it....I think their building up to some significant deaths this season. But,,,agree with some previous poster, Negan needs to go. Since hes arrived the whole tone of the show has changed and I dont think he fits in with The Walking Dead style.

ebbsy · 01-11-2017 09:32PM

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snowgal wrote: »

Im in a small minority who liked this episode I think! Yes there was lots of problems and lots of shooting no one but I liked the tension of it and skipping from scene to scene. I thought it was better than the first one. Anything for me is better than last season, I really didn't like it....I think their building up to some significant deaths this season. But,,,agree with some previous poster, Negan needs to go. Since hes arrived the whole tone of the show has changed and I dont think he fits in with The Walking Dead style.

I liked this episode as well. Morgan goin nuts as well was entertaining.

TerrorFirmer · 01-11-2017 09:34PM

Another top notch travesty from AMC. It's hard to make sense of how it's managed to continue this freefall into total absurdity but everything in that episode was unbelievably sub-par - from direction, to scripting, to acting and most definitely the choreography.

I've seen recent Steven Seagal movies with better action and more heartfelt emotion.

On paper it really should have been a great episode but somehow it's gone from gritty, prime-time TV to a dodgy straight-to-DVD action flick and the result is nothing means anything whatsoever. The episode was literally embarrassing to watch - Jesus and Tara's 'good cop, bad cop' routine, Morgan's 'Terminator' impression, the junk-yard shoot-out, those early 90's slo-mo facial shots (at one point I was like "who the **** even IS that guy in this montage" - just ****ing kill off half of these extras masquerading as pivotal characters)

It's easy to blame Negan but it's not Negan. He was a good character for a few episodes with tons of promise, can't really blame the actor or the character for this shambles of a script that's being dragged out. He's gotten annoying but he's far from the worst thing about the show now. The first episode of the last season seems so, so far away now - remember all the promise it held?

Before I came to this thread the one image I had in my mind was Frank Drebin in the Naked Gun having the extended shootout with the guy behind the bins two foot away. It had me laughing in the Naked Gun, and it has me laughing again in The Walking Dead.

This show makes me so unbelievably angry! It's easy to tell yourself you'll just stop watching but having invested so much time in the characters to date, you obviously want to see what happens and where they end up - if such a point ever arrives.

Then again, it's not unique in how far it's fallen. Anyone ever watch Dexter? The quality of that once superb show also fell off a sheer cliff edge after season 4 and managed to limp on to a full 8 pitiful seasons (rallied briefly in s7 but went all out with a spectacular misfire for s8).

The writers are doing a pretty solid job with Fear the Walking Dead so I'm perplexed as to how the higher budget, vastly more popular show has an output of this caliber.

bear1 · 01-11-2017 09:41PM

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Another top notch travesty from AMC. It's hard to make sense of how it's managed to continue this freefall into total absurdity but everything in that episode was unbelievably sub-par - from direction, to scripting, to acting and most definitely the choreography.

I've seen recent Steven Seagal movies with better action and more heartfelt emotion.

On paper it really should have been a great episode but somehow it's gone from gritty, prime-time TV to a dodgy straight-to-DVD action flick and the result is nothing means anything whatsoever. The episode was literally embarrassing to watch - Jesus and Tara's 'good cop, bad cop' routine, Morgan's 'Terminator' impression, the junk-yard shoot-out, those early 90's slo-mo facial shots (at one point I was like "who the **** even IS that guy in this montage" - just ****ing kill off half of these extras masquerading as pivotal characters)

It's easy to blame Negan but it's not Negan. He was a good character for a few episodes with tons of promise, can't really blame the actor or the character for this shambles of a script that's being dragged out. He's gotten annoying but he's far from the worst thing about the show now. The first episode of the last season seems so, so far away now - remember all the promise it held?

Before I came to this thread the one image I had in my mind was Frank Drebin in the Naked Gun having the extended shootout with the guy behind the bins two foot away. It had me laughing in the Naked Gun, and it has me laughing again in The Walking Dead.

This show makes me so unbelievably angry! It's easy to tell yourself you'll just stop watching but having invested so much time in the characters to date, you obviously want to see what happens and where they end up - if such a point ever arrives.

Then again, it's not unique in how far it's fallen. Anyone ever watch Dexter? The quality of that once superb show also fell off a sheer cliff edge after season 4 and managed to limp on to a full 8 pitiful seasons (rallied briefly in s7 but went all out with a spectacular misfire for s8).

It shouldn't be like that though.
The producers and writers owe more than that to the fans who stuck by the show.
So many ah wtf moments are happening that they only way my interest would spike is if something extraordinary happened.
From crappy lion cgi, to killing off interesting characters, to ****e finale after ****e finale.
It's always the same premise, find safe place to live. Meet tribe who want that same safe place. Fight between tribes. Ricks tribe get knocked down. Ricks team grow balls. Ricks team win.
Repeat.

CastorTroy · 01-11-2017 11:21PM

Is it the same people involved with Fear the Walking Dead? Could be like the Berlanti DC shows. Arrow was good then Flash started and Arrow declined, then Legends started and Flash declined.

kylith · 02-11-2017 02:32AM

What the fk happened in that episode? Anyone?

sonofenoch · 02-11-2017 11:41AM

kylith wrote: »

What the fk happened in that episode? Anyone?

They all went on a works paintball day.......great fun was had by all

storker · 02-11-2017 02:36PM

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Wibbs wrote: »

They need to drop the pretentiousness like the broody music and faces overlay at the head and tail of this episode. Dial back on the speeches. They just don't appear to have the writing chops for it.

This.

The moody closeups (which seemed to channel Picnic at Hanging Rock...wha'?) and mysterious flash-forwards appear to be a way of increasing uncertainty and tension. In a show about a world full of the living dead where the the most of the remaining living people are out to get you too, such gimmickry shouldn't be necessary, and if you need to use it, you're doing something very, very wrong. Like letting transition years students do the writing...

Blazer wrote: »

It really is awful muck at this stage. I’m wondering did they fire the real writers a few years back and hired their own kids to do it or something.

I think the rot started when they got rid of Darabont.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I've seen recent Steven Seagal movies with better action and more heartfelt emotion.

Ouch!

What I miss most about this show is the tightness I used to get in my stomach when watching it, and the rush to see the next episode. Now I can wait a week or more and my main emotion when watching it is irritation, when it used to be nervous tension (I tend to really dive into the stuff I watch).

It's become boring, poorly written and poorly-executed. Gunfights reminiscent of the A-Team. Brain-damaged decision making. Characters whose motivation seems to be to do whatever will make things more awkward for everyone else, just because. Tara should have just shot that guy. Doubtless we'll get a big debate next about what to do with all those prisoners, when the only sensible thing is to shoot them. That's assuming they don't do a mass escape because wait for it...one of Rick's gang has a brain fart.

"This isn't who we are". What? People who make smart decisions? Y'all got that right. Hershel's words keep on coming back to me: "It's a miracle you people made it this far...". You nailed it, Hershel.

LandoCalrissian · 02-11-2017 03:19PM

Was a massive fan of this show but its been running on fumes for a while now

1st 2 episodes seems to have just been people running around like a playground game of war - could only have been worse if they were making the gun noises with their mouths

At this stage TWD is a show I have on while flicking through the ipad

All suspense and tension is now gone for me

What the hell happened?????????

LandoCalrissian · 02-11-2017 03:27PM

And another thing

"I hope you got your sh1ttin' pants on"

God it was just the pits

helimachoptor · 02-11-2017 03:28PM

I've started watching from the beginning again and it's like 2 different shows

thegreengoblin · 02-11-2017 05:38PM

storker wrote: »

This.

The moody closeups (which seemed to channel Picnic at Hanging Rock...wha'?) and mysterious flash-forwards appear to be a way of increasing uncertainty and tension. In a show about a world full of the living dead where the the most of the remaining living people are out to get you too, such gimmickry shouldn't be necessary, and if you need to use it, you're doing something very, very wrong. Like letting transition years students do the writing...

I think the rot started when they got rid of Darabont.

Ouch!

What I miss most about this show is the tightness I used to get in my stomach when watching it, and the rush to see the next episode. Now I can wait a week or more and my main emotion when watching it is irritation, when it used to be nervous tension (I tend to really dive into the stuff I watch).

It's become boring, poorly written and poorly-executed. Gunfights reminiscent of the A-Team. Brain-damaged decision making. Characters whose motivation seems to be to do whatever will make things more awkward for everyone else, just because. Tara should have just shot that guy. Doubtless we'll get a big debate next about what to do with all those prisoners, when the only sensible thing is to shoot them. That's assuming they don't do a mass escape because wait for it...one of Rick's gang has a brain fart.

"This isn't who we are". What? People who make smart decisions? Y'all got that right. Hershel's words keep on coming back to me: "It's a miracle you people made it this far...". You nailed it, Hershel.

This sums up what I was going to post basically, you nailed it for me. The music would start and that familiar sense of dread would take over. I would religiously watch it every Monday morning or at the latest on Monday night. I watched this week's episode last night and what a pile of garbage it was. No point in repeating what everyone else has said.

When Negan wielded his bat he was effectively slamming the first of many nails into the show's coffin because I can't see any way back for it now. So many characters it's laughable. Supremely irritating characters like Ezekiel with his nonsense talk and the leader of the trash people (to think they have still to show up this season!).

Daryl bombing around on his motorbike a la Arnie in T2. Carol doing absolutely nothing anymore. Seriously, in this week's episode what did she do except smile meekly and nod at Ezekiel as she trotted after him wherever the hell he was going.

The producers are insulting the viewers at this stage. And worst of all I'll still watch the bloody thing. I've invested so much in it that I can't just stop watching, I'm not that sort of person. I feel like I'll be the only person left watching it as it staggers to its inevitable, sad demise.

At least we'll always have this...

storker · 02-11-2017 05:51PM

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I kind of like Ezekiel, although it seems I'm alone in this, but only because he's putting it all on, and everyone seems to know but just lets it slide. I liked it when in slipped into normality mode for a second to tell Carol "...you gotta fake it to make it," with a grin on his face. I find the bin-people's minimalist speech style a lot more irritating.

I also like Ezekiel's tiger, as long as I force myself not to think about its intelligent targeting system.

TerrorFirmer · 02-11-2017 07:27PM

CastorTroy wrote: »

Is it the same people involved with Fear the Walking Dead? Could be like the Berlanti DC shows. Arrow was good then Flash started and Arrow declined, then Legends started and Flash declined.

I don't think that's the case here, because FTWD has a much smaller budget than TWD and only a fraction of the viewership, it's the poor relation and was only created in the first place to further tap the huge fanbase.

It was only ever meant to be a lesser companion but overall but it's grown to be a much better show. Not always mind; the first season of FTWD was entirely average at best but considering both shows are now running almost side by side, the superiority of FTWD is now overwhelming. Decent plot lines, constantly moving at a good pace, good characters and, most importantly, credible human behavior and believable rationale on display.

Now that said, in the overall scheme of things, FTWD is just a reasonably decent TV show, it's not that it's a brilliant show in its own right, more just compared to the show that spawned it.

Interestingly enough while zombies are still a core part of FTWD, just like the main show, they've largely taken a back seat with various human groups serving as the main antagonists.

17togo · 02-11-2017 07:40PM

Ive reached the point that when I'm discussing with friends about current TV shows we're watching I don't admit to still watching this!! It's like admitting to watching home and away or similar. I got annoyed when I heard there's possibly going to be a couple of more seasons!

It's like the writers think that because it's a show about zombies the people watching it are actually turning into zombies too, so we'll just throw together any old crap and they wont notice!

But dammit I'll still watch it, similar to when I got sucked into watching Lost! I still hate myself for that!

brianregan09 · 02-11-2017 09:27PM

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To be honest the best thing that could happen this show is a new overarching and original threat (not in the comics) to come in and steamroll all these settlements and force Saviors and whats left of Rick's crowd to work together and put them all on edge again .....only way

Kill Ezekial his tiger and all the rubbish that brings and keep Neegan , Stephen Ogg's character from the Saviours and work from there

Cartman78 · 03-11-2017 03:57PM

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Watched episodes 1 and 2 back to back (at home sick so didn't want anything too taxing).

Episode 2 was a total mess....hard to tell what was going on, why it was going on or who the fupp was who.

I think someone referenced The Naked Gun 'shootout' earlier in this thread and that's bang on...they looked to be about 5 yards apart in the main battle between one group of people I didn't know and another group of people I didn't know.

And a more general gripe....the zombies are barely relevant any more...a flipping wasp flying into a room would cause more commotion at this stage.

duridian · 03-11-2017 05:34PM

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What do boardsies think of the theory that flash forward "Judith" is in fact Gracie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VihE5DhSnw4

Personally, I think it is very plausible that she is Gracie.

But also I think people behind this theory could be wrong in presuming that it will be Negan's fault if something happens to Judith.

If they are correct about the children, could it maybe go the route of Jadis and the junkies as culpable. They have been suspiciously absent in any form during the first two episodes.
Wouldn't you think such a large threat which allied with Negan's Saviors in the past would need to be addressed before attacking Negsn anyway?

It is because of this absence that I'm not entirely convinced that red-eyed Rick scenes are set between the time of attack on Saviors' compound of opening episode and time of "Old Man" Rick scenes in a more happy time living with Michonne and ~6 year old Judith (Gracie).

I think red-eyed Rick scenes predate the attack, showing a Rick mourning for Judith, and that Team Rick have at the time of the attack on Saviors in opening episode, the junkies have been dealt with, and that this might be the hidden reason behind the wrath referenced in "my mercy prevails over wrath".

Ok. Maybe I'm way off in this and am completely missing out some negatory point in this. Feel free to point out if I am.

bear1 · 03-11-2017 05:40PM

Dafuq is Gracie?

Hande hoche! · 03-11-2017 06:36PM

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That seems far too sensible for the writers of TWD.

The Walking Dead | Season 8 | Episode 2 | The Damned [AMC] [SPOILERS]

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