Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

Hamlet. wrote: »

There's a desire to be seen as a victim and a need for attention which is why so many gay stars are more concerned with his 'coming out' than the actual incident. An opportunity to appear outraged.

brainfreeze wrote: »

Season 6 was always the last season. I find it a bit sinister from netflix that they are using this recent allegation to renounce this, as if it was a moral decision.

There was a big debate whether season 6 was even going to happen at all, and that was only in September! That had nothing to do with Kevin Spacey.

Asus X540L wrote: »

So Anthony rapp, a gay man, goes to a gay party then cries foul 21 years later cause a gay man cracked onto him?

**** him. He could only dream of having the career spacey has had

Asus X540L wrote: »

So Anthony rapp, a gay man, goes to a gay party then cries foul 21 years later cause a gay man cracked onto him?

**** him. He could only dream of having the career spacey has had

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Have you followed the McGowan story?

Here's a reminder. She was attacked in the 90s. Her silence was bought off with 100k. My own view is attacked women shouldn't put a price on their silence as it only encourages the perpetrator that they can get away with these things.

She then had 20 years to expose Weinstein, but chose not to. Oddly enough she only discovered recently there was nothing in the deal she struck with him about non disclosure. I find it hard to believe she only discovered this lately. So in other words she could have called him out years ago if she wanted.

In September this year, there were rumours that Weinstein was about to be exposed as a violent sexual predator. His people reached out to her to buy her silence again with an offer of 1 million. She said make it 6 million and its a deal. She was on the verge of signing it when the Farrow article was published. Now it was pointless for Weinstein to pay anyone as it was all out in the open. Only after the Farrow article and a pay off was no longer an option did McGowan open up.

Too little too late in my book from her. She could have put a stop to Weinstein years ago.

I feel sorry for her inevitably, but she has undermined her credibility with the latest revelations.

In late September, just as multiple women were days away from going on the record with reports of Harvey Weinstein’s sexual misconduct, one of his alleged assault victims, Rose McGowan, considered an offer that suggested just how desperate the Hollywood producer had become.

Ms. McGowan, who was working on a memoir called “Brave,” had spoken privately over the years about a 1997 hotel room encounter with Mr. Weinstein and hinted at it publicly. Through her lawyer, she said, someone close to Mr. Weinstein offered her hush money: $1 million, in exchange for signing a nondisclosure agreement.

“I had all these people I’m paying telling me to take it so that I could fund my art,” Ms. McGowan said in an interview. She responded by asking for $6 million, part counteroffer, part slow torture of her former tormentor, she said. “I figured I could probably have gotten him up to three,” she said. “But I was like — ew, gross, you’re disgusting, I don’t want your money, that would make me feel disgusting.”

She said she told her lawyer to pull the offer within a day of The New York Times publishing an article that detailed decades of Mr. Weinstein’s alleged sexual harassment, aggression and misconduct toward women, as well as at least seven other settlements he had reached with accusers. After that, the dam burst, with The New Yorker, The Times and other news outlets reporting on dozens of other women’s experiences with Mr. Weinstein.

A Weinstein spokeswoman, Sallie Hofmeister, said that “Mr. Weinstein unequivocally denies any allegations of nonconsensual sex.” Ms. McGowan’s lawyer, Paul Coggins, confirmed that Ms. McGowan received the offer.

Her story of assault, although uniquely her own, shares some of the now familiar hallmarks of a Weinstein encounter. Ms. McGowan, then 23, was in Park City, Utah, in early 1997 to attend the Sundance Film Festival and the screening of a film in which she appeared, “Going All the Way.” She had also recently appeared as a smart-mouthed beauty who dies a gruesome death in the blockbuster film “Scream,” on which Mr. Weinstein was an executive producer.

Ms. McGowan’s manager then, Jill Messick, told her to meet Mr. Weinstein at the restaurant in the Stein Eriksen Lodge for a 10 a.m. appointment. On her arrival, the maître d’ directed the actress upstairs to Mr. Weinstein’s suite, she said. Ms. McGowan remembers passing two male assistants on the way in. “They wouldn’t look me in the eye,” she recalled.

She sat at the far end of a couch as Mr. Weinstein sat in a club chair, and they had a brief business meeting. But on their way out, she said, he interrupted himself to point out that the hotel room had a hot tub. “And then what happened, happened,” said Ms. McGowan, who has described her experience, on Twitter, as rape. “Suffice it to say a door opened and my life changed.”

Drumpot wrote: »

You are “not having a go at either” and then have a go at them again?!

You are choosing to focus on the reactions on the victims. You speak from an ideal world scenario where you have Zero insight into these peoples lives of how they chose to deal With the. Abuse.. They want to be financially compensated for their troubles. In the absence of justice or wanting to go public who are you to question their motives?

It’s easy to philosophically write a post on what is subjectively right or wrong behavior for victims of abuse. Not every abuse victim reacts the same way and I don’t think it’s surprising that celebrity’s , who live in their own bubble, react in such an alien way to normal people...

I don’t condone McGowan taking money to lie about Weinstein.
Perhaps she felt it was an extra payoff for the suffering or perhaps it’s a bonus in her mind given how Hollywood thinks this sort of sexual behavioir is acceptable. It’s an easy trap to fall into, focusing on the victims mistakes or misguided actions , that can derail discussions on the entire toxic culture that exists in that part of the world...

But at the end of the day they are victims of abuse... It is easy to imagine that the abuse and culture they grew up in would warp what they think is normal.
Normalize the abnormal.