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Do you think Euthanasia will ever be legal in Ireland?

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  • #32
    CaSCaDe711
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭CaSCaDe711


    It will never be legal in Ireland.

    Why?

    Because we continue to be backward regarding all things judicial.

    Our system is an absolute joke, an embarrassing joke, and has been for a very long time. Year after year we appear to be totally useless when it comes to thinking sensibly regarding victims of crime, penalties the perpetrators receive etc.

    Regarding someone calling it a day legally on their own terms? No matter how much pain the individual may be in physically/mentally etc, it will always be forbidden in Ireland. Thanks to the church, and the older generation that will live in the past until they "call it a day"


  • #33
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    NIMAN wrote: »
    sorry to hear this, but its a great example.

    Why on Earth would the authorities want to resus such a person? for what purpose? We are all going to die, would there have been any point resus'ing your Dad to have him live another few hours or days in that state, especially when he was so close to the end anyway?



    One reason in some cases is every extra week they spend in a nursing home is an extra few grand

    It is also low risk

    -they probably won't be wandering off

    - wrong medication and they die ? oh they slipped away in the small hours etc

    .


  • #34
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,479 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    CaSCaDe711 wrote: »
    It will never be legal in Ireland.

    Why?

    Because we continue to be backward regarding all things judicial.

    Our system is an absolute joke, an embarrassing joke, and has been for a very long time. Year after year we appear to be totally useless when it comes to thinking sensibly regarding victims of crime, penalties the perpetrators receive etc.

    Regarding someone calling it a day legally on their own terms? No matter how much pain the individual may be in physically/mentally etc, it will always be forbidden in Ireland. Thanks to the church, and the older generation that will live in the past until they "call it a day"

    But the older generation will die and the younger people will have their progressive choices.


  • #35
    kerryjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭kerryjack


    Count me in a tablet and a lap dance in any order you want doc


  • #36
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    NIMAN wrote: »
    corner of hells wrote: »
    I think at the moment we have an informal "do not resuscitate " at the moment.
    I remember with my own father in his final years he was effectively a vegetable with dementia we made an agreement with the nursing home manager and his GP that he was not to be resuscitated. Everyone had to be in agreement.

    I do also remember another resident's family insisting she was to be resuscitated despite the fact she was in her ninties and at latter stages of dementia.

    sorry to hear this, but its a great example.

    Why on Earth would the authorities want to resus such a person? for what purpose? We are all going to die, would there have been any point resus'ing your Dad to have him live another few hours or days in that state, especially when he was so close to the end anyway?

    And without being cold or callous after spending the best part of thirteen or so years suffering it was peace for him and us in the end.
    The sense and enormity of the relief was and is now difficult to describe.

    I do very clearly remember the conversation with his nursing home manager around the issue of resuscitation and gentle she was.
    In my innocence I actually thought they were obliged to try resusitate but when she explained the option it just a good moment.


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  • #37
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,479 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Apparently, that medical staff can quicken a death? A friend of mine told me that when her dad was in the final stages of cancer and about to go any minute the nurses in the hospice moved him in such a way to quicken the process? I don't know how accurate that is, but along with the DNR, if it is true it would seem there are forms of euthanasia here already.


  • #38
    server down
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭server down


    Hannibal_Smith wrote: »
    Apparently, that medical staff can quicken a death? A friend of mine told me that when her dad was in the final stages of cancer and about to go any minute the nurses in the hospice moved him in such a way to quicken the process? I don't know how accurate that is, but along with the DNR, if it is true it would seem there are forms of euthanasia here already.

    There are definite morphine overdoses.

    Not really the same though. People should be allowed to euthenaise years before they are destined to die, if they choose to.

    I don’t think we should alllow assisted suicide though, as in some kind of terminal Illness should be required.


  • #39
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    gctest50 wrote: »
    NIMAN wrote: »
    sorry to hear this, but its a great example.

    Why on Earth would the authorities want to resus such a person? for what purpose? We are all going to die, would there have been any point resus'ing your Dad to have him live another few hours or days in that state, especially when he was so close to the end anyway?



    One reason in some cases is every extra week they spend in a nursing home is an extra few grand

    It is also low risk

    -they probably won't be wandering off

    - wrong medication and they die ? oh they slipped away in the small hours etc

    .

    Maybe I'm picking you up wrong but as far as I know a significant amount of residents contribute to there keep in some way in nursing homes whether privately , fair deal or subvention.
    In regard to the "wrong medication" comment and a resident dying ,that's astonishing , your hardly suggesting there's some form of collusion to and residents lives ?


  • #40
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    MonkieSocks wrote: »
    This one?

    The only thing that motivates that ****er is to feather his own nest.


  • #41
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Hannibal_Smith wrote: »
    Apparently, that medical staff can quicken a death? A friend of mine told me that when her dad was in the final stages of cancer and about to go any minute the nurses in the hospice moved him in such a way to quicken the process? I don't know how accurate that is, but along with the DNR, if it is true it would seem there are forms of euthanasia here already.

    I think that's to make the end comfortable rather than hasten it.


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  • #42
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mickoneill31 wrote: »
    You know you don't just wake up one day with full blown alzheimer's.

    I have a shaking disorder which according to western medicine dramatically increases my chance of getting Alzheimer's as I get older. There's also been a number of my relations who have tried living through it, and it's a horrible disease. I'll kill myself first sign that it's becoming serious. Made that decision a long time ago... but there is a real strong fear that the Alzheimers progresses faster than expected once it begins, because there are different rates of progression, and modern medicine doesn't really understand how that happens, or why. When is the right time to step in and end it? Will I just misjudge and find myself wandering around thinking I'm 11 years old again, confused, and flipping back and forth between time periods.

    Horrible. Just horrible. I can deal with the threat of most other diseases and be believing I can get by them, dealing with the pain and treatments... but Alzheimer's? it scares the **** out of me.

    Euthanasia should be an option for those of an age to decide. They've lived their lives and were old enough to do everything else that life threw at them, why not give them the chance to decide their own death or the death of a loved one with little to no chance of cure?

    We say that people 18 or over can vote. We have limits on driving, drinking and other parts of life. Let people over 60 decide if they want to use Euthanasia. It's kinder, all things considered.


  • #43
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,819 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Hannibal_Smith wrote: »
    Apparently, that medical staff can quicken a death? A friend of mine told me that when her dad was in the final stages of cancer and about to go any minute the nurses in the hospice moved him in such a way to quicken the process? I don't know how accurate that is, but along with the DNR, if it is true it would seem there are forms of euthanasia here already.

    ... the morphine driver you often hear mentioned, many say its to bring death on.


  • #44
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Maybe I'm picking you up wrong but as far as I know a significant amount of residents contribute to there keep in some way in nursing homes whether privately , fair deal or subvention.
    In regard to the "wrong medication" comment and a resident dying ,that's astonishing , your hardly suggesting there's some form of collusion to and residents lives ?


    I meant it's just a low risk way of making a lot of money


    "Wrong medication" was just an example - if they die prematurely - well, they were terminally ill and near death anyway


  • #45
    GritBiscuit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭GritBiscuit


    RobbingBandit wrote: »
    That's pretty much a Do Not Resuscitate order, it's a tricky subject is possible to set one up but not an open topic in most cases.

    It's not really - DNR is a request not to treat - a lack of action by any third party, if you will, which allows an already dying patient to die. Euthanasia is a deliberate and premature ending of valid life - a positive action. Medically and legally they are completely different beasts.

    I would hope well regulated euthanasia is available one day in Ireland. There is a growing trend towards having the right to a quality of death on one's own terms and away from life at all cost - irrespective of suffering or lack of quality of life. That's a good thing in my book but I can only imagine how long it will take to become a legitimate legal option on these shores...given the carpet sweeping trend on medical issues in that historically ethically grey area. :(


  • #46
    lazybones32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    gctest50 wrote: »
    That's misleading - it's for terminally ill kids.]

    Pic is hilarious!😅
    Kids can seek it. Or can they not?


  • #47
    Lone Stone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Lone Stone


    you cant even get an abortion so i doubt euthanasia will be a thing in my life time


  • #48
    server down
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭server down


    Lone Stone wrote: »
    you cant even get an abortion so i doubt euthanasia will be a thing in my life time

    euthanasia would be less controversial I think.


  • #49
    lazybones32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    corner of hells wrote: »
    In regard to the "wrong medication" comment and a resident dying ,that's astonishing , your hardly suggesting there's some form of collusion to and residents lives ?

    In Jan this year, a female doctor was found to have acted "in good faith" after sedating a patient (slipped it in her coffee) and got family members to hold her down as she was euthanized - against her will.
    The patient had expressed a desire for euthanasia but only "when i feel the time is right for me" but in the days prior to her death, she had indicated a clear desire to continue living. The doctor decided and the patients resistance was futile.

    Collusion, you ask? Lol.


  • #50
    server down
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭server down


    lazybones32 wrote: »
    In Jan this year, a female doctor was found to have acted "in good faith" after sedating a patient (slipped it in her coffee) and got family members to hold her down as she was euthanized - against her will.
    The patient had expressed a desire for euthanasia but only "when i feel the time is right for me" but in the days prior to her death, she had indicated a clear desire to continue living. The doctor decided and the patients resistance was futile.

    Collusion, you ask? Lol.

    You got a link for that?


  • #51
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    lazybones32 wrote: »
    Pic is hilarious!😅

    Kids can seek it. Or can they not?

    .
    The Belgian law has very strict rules for the euthanasia to be approved. It requires the minor to be in the final stages of a terminal illness, to understand the difference between life and death rationally and to have asked to end his or her life on repeated occasions. It also requires parental consent and finally the approval of two doctors, including a psychiatrist.


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  • #52
    server down
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    lazybones32 wrote: »
    Pic is hilarious!😅
    Kids can seek it. Or can they not?

    the picture of a dying child in extreme pain, pain that contorts her so much her veins bulge - you find that hilarious?

    That’s pretty sick.


  • #53
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    I certainty hope the option is legally available to me and mine should the need or desire ever come up but I fear it will be like abortion, only available to those with the resources to travel abroad. My body, my choice.


  • #54
    lazybones32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    server down wrote: »
    You got a link for that?
    Google it.
    I'm on the phone, so i can't link and if i was on the laptop i wouldn't link. You are able to use search engines, so choose a few words and you'll find it if you want.


  • #55
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    lazybones32 wrote: »
    corner of hells wrote: »
    In regard to the "wrong medication" comment and a resident dying ,that's astonishing , your hardly suggesting there's some form of collusion to and residents lives ?

    In Jan this year, a female doctor was found to have acted "in good faith" after sedating a patient (slipped it in her coffee) and got family members to hold her down as she was euthanized - against her will.
    The patient had expressed a desire for euthanasia but only "when i feel the time is right for me" but in the days prior to her death, she had indicated a clear desire to continue living. The doctor decided and the patients resistance was futile.

    Collusion, you ask? Lol.

    Your being very disingenuous posting that comment, that incident was in Holland about three years ago.
    It's very clear that I was talking about Irish nursing homes with examples of how patients pay to live in them.
    What's with the LOL comment , something funny ?


  • #56
    server down
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭server down


    lazybones32 wrote: »
    Google it.
    I'm on the phone, so i can't link and if i was on the laptop i wouldn't link. You are able to use search engines, so choose a few words and you'll find it if you want.

    I take it then there is no link or you can’t use a search engine. (Tip: search engines work on mobiles). It isn’t up to me or anybody else on this forum to prove your story.

    You’ve already proven yourself to be the kind of man who laughs at a dying child though, so this failure is not surprising


  • #57
    lazybones32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    server down wrote: »
    the picture of a dying child in extreme pain, pain that contorts her so much her veins bulge - you find that hilarious?

    That’s pretty sick.

    My disdain is for the poster, not the picture.
    150,000 people, on average, die every day.
    How many of them can be saved by me having sympathy or empathy or crying the most heartfelt tears that i'm capable of?


  • #58
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    server down wrote: »
    lazybones32 wrote: »
    Google it.
    I'm on the phone, so i can't link and if i was on the laptop i wouldn't link. You are able to use search engines, so choose a few words and you'll find it if you want.

    I take it then there is no link or you can’t use a search engine. (Tip: search engines work on mobiles). It isn’t up to me or anybody else on this forum to prove your story.

    You’ve already proven yourself to be the kind of man who laughs at a dying child though, so this failure is not surprising

    Oh it did happen , I'm nearly certain it was Holland, it's the way it's trivialized by the poster by not providing details.
    It's to go before a court not to prosecute but to seek clarity.


  • #59
    server down
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭server down


    lazybones32 wrote: »
    My disdain is for the poster, not the picture.
    150,000 people, on average, die every day.
    How many of them can be saved by me having sympathy or empathy or crying the most heartfelt tears that i'm capable of?

    None. Nobody is asking you to cry for the deaths of the unknown. However you were not disdaining the poster, you said the picture was hilarious.

    That means you found it funny.


  • #60
    lazybones32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    server down wrote: »
    I take it then there is no link or you can’t use a search engine. (Tip: search engines work on mobiles). It isn’t up to me or anybody else on this forum to prove your story.

    You’ve already proven yourself to be the kind of man who laughs at a dying child though, so this failure is not surprising
    Read the first line. I'm on the phone so I CAN'T LINK. And it isn't up to me to teach you how to use the fcuking internet, is it?


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  • #61
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Ever is a big word. Im sure at some stage..mabye not soon though. Abortion now, one step at a time..


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