Proposal to preserve old post boxes. Hitler is alive and well.

Deleted User wrote: »

"Our past"? Ha - well indoctrinated by Harris/The Cruiser/Sunday Independent there, aren't you. Since when is glorifying a foreign, anti-Catholic British royalist colonial cult part of "our past". No amount of Kevin Myers-inspired revisionism will succeed in selling us the English/British royalist tradition as being our Irish tradition. None.

Actually most of us don't actually give a feck about it anymore. Most of us think that was a sh1tty time, but that was then, this is now. Hell if anything given the spellings and accents about the place many of us are looking to somewhere in the mid Atlantic.

Some of us are acutely aware of our own distinctive, ancient Irish tradition and will resist this West Brit attempt to portray the coloniser's tradition as our own tradition. It's not, it never was - and it never, ever will be.

Which ancient Irish tradition is this? A goodly proportion of it was readied up in the 19th century, when the "ancient tradition" meme was a strong one throughout Europe. Most of the "Celtic" stuff came from then(similar was to be seen in Germany, Sweden, France, Spain, England, Scotland and Wales). The Irish you speak(if you speak it at all, never mind fluently) is a bit different to old and Bardic Irish. Itself a language of "invaders". As was the "Celtic" influence. Seems to be a time limit on this stuff...

And there's no fúcking debate about that one, son.

There actually is but I suspect you'd not be up for it.

There's something decidedly snake-like and intellectually vacuous in these attempts to call British colonial cults "our past", an attempt to spread the blame, to normalise colonialism and to ultimately have Irish people embrace the myths of British nationalism by honouring the thugs and psychopaths of centuries of British colonial occupation in Ireland.

Eh... or y'know just saying "this is part of our shared past". Or do you want to get back to Year Zero and imagine we were never invaded by the Norse French and their ancestors? If anything the native English were more duped and continue to be on that score. They've been lorded over by French Normans, Scots, Welsh(with a hint of Norman) and Austrian/Dutch/German Hapsburg inbreds down to this day.

Yes, because it's anti-British to oppose these memorials to British colonial supremacy in Ireland. Or do you really think the British put their royalist symbols on everything they could find because they weren't political?

Note the tense. Weren't. In the past.

Also, I trust you'd be over defending those statues in the southern US states which commemorate racist American generals, and would tell African-Americans that they should be left there on their pedestal because they're "part of African-American history"? Will African-Americans be "anti-American" for refusing to have memorials to that racist aspect of US history in their communities?

IN some senses I would suggest that. The major difference being that Black Americans are still getting screwed over in their own country. Today. Can't personally recall the last time I was oppressed by an Englishman.

And, by your thinking, somebody should have told Tony Benn that opposing the anti-Irish Catholic sectarianism and racism that has symbolised the British monarchy for many centuries now made him "anti-British" also. Only a good old racist sectarian supremacist royalist can be "British", it seems.

NOt me anyway. I had a lot of time for Tony Benn. I wouldn't have always agreed with some of his positions but IMHO he was a giant of a politician, political thinker and man. Brave with it.

Deleted User wrote: »

Of course, because that "Georgian" architecture built with the tithes and exploitation of the dispossessed Irish Catholics is not really Greco-Roman architecture with a wonderfully English name put on it to make it seem like the English came up with it...

More a cultural thing because of proximity. The style had various names throughout Europe. Palladian is the more general term. Though itself culturally local enough as it was an Italian lad of the same name that kicked it off. Damned Romans again. The greasy stylish bastards.

maryishere wrote: »

The viewing platform at the top was a great tourist attraction. Pity it is not there now.

Fcuk Nelsons column IMHO. Though again in my humble an opportunity was missed to put up a similar layout of monument that engaged the public with a viewing platform, instead of that bloody steel spike that just sits there. Laden down with the invisible bills of banks, the IMF and the EU.



Maybe it's more apposite than was intended...

feargale wrote: »

No, I didn't. What's this obsessive clichidden objection to mentioning Hitler? Hitler for all his evil had a profound effect on the world. Godwin is remembered only for a "law" which is misunderstood by most of those who refer to it. I've even read posters referring to Hitler and apologising for it in the same breath, just like people used to ( maybe some still do ) refer to Jesus adding "God forgive me." Cut this censorship.

Remember the Life of Brian, and the guy being stoned for saying "Jehovah"?
Here: HITLER, HITLER, HITLER. Now stone me away to f@ck.

P.S. By the way, I don't agree with OP but that's another story.

I'm with you on this F.