Gender pay disparity - what is the truth?

Geuze · 26-10-2017 03:00PM

political analyst wrote: »

I cannot believe that a woman who does the same job as a man - in the same organisation - and works the same number of hours and has been in the organisation for just as long would be paid less than the man.

They are not.

cfuserkildare · 26-10-2017 03:01PM

How come, If men are paid more than women, is Sofía Vergara the highest paid star in Hollywood??

Geuze · 26-10-2017 03:02PM

political analyst wrote: »

Isn't it the case that a woman who has children might get paid less because of maternity leave and parental leave at other times and working a reduced number of days for that reason? That's not discrimination; that's biology.

Two factors cause the gender earnings gap:

(1) women have less human capital than men, i.e. education and experience
(2) there is a family earnings penalty, i.e. mothers earn less than non-mothers.

Have a read of this article in the JEP:

https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jep.31.1.183

cfuserkildare · 26-10-2017 03:06PM

Geuze wrote: »

Two factors cause the gender earnings gap:

(1) women have less human capital than men, i.e. education and experience
(2) there is a family earnings penalty, i.e. mothers earn less than non-mothers.

Have a read of this article in the JEP:

https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jep.31.1.183

Again,

WE ARE NOT IN AMERICA!!!

What is Soooo difficult to understand about Geographical and Social differences between USA society and European ( Specifically Irish ) Society??

PLEASE STOP QUOTING AMERICAN MEDIA AS THE US INFORMATION IS NOT RELEVANT HERE!!!

meeeeh · 26-10-2017 03:13PM

political analyst wrote: »

That's not discrimination; that's biology.

I was born into a country with 2.5 percent pay gap and now I live in a country with 12% higher pay gap. Obviously my biological composition changed somehow.

Anyway there are various reasons for pay gap but biological they are not. And frankly you do wonder for people's capacity to reason when they claim that.

BrokenArrows · 26-10-2017 03:19PM

Its my opinion that the vast majority of the pay difference is accounted for by women not being strong enough at negotiating their salaries.

I had a think about the last few jobs/promotions ive had and ive negotiated the salary in every case and by up to 15% in one instance.

My wife recently got offered a new job and i had to force her to negotiate and she got an extra 8%. She had never negotiated a salary in any job before.

diomed · 26-10-2017 03:20PM

Maternity leave - the time I got more work for the same pay.

the_pen_turner · 26-10-2017 03:25PM

meeeeh wrote: »

political analyst wrote: »

That's not discrimination; that's biology.

I was born into a country with 2.5 percent pay gap and now I live in a country with 12% higher pay gap. Obviously my biological composition changed somehow.

Anyway there are various reasons for pay gap but biological they are not. And frankly you do wonder for people's capacity to reason when they claim that.

Have you any evidence to show this pay gap. I hadn't seen any fact put forward that show the true picture. I want like for like facts not overall generalisation s

kylith · 26-10-2017 03:28PM

cfuserkildare wrote: »

How come, If men are paid more than women, is Sofía Vergara the highest paid star in Hollywood??

She isn't.

She's the highest paid woman on television.

Jim Parsons is the highest paid actor on TV per episode. Pulling in, as best as I can find, double what Vergara does at $1m per episode.

meeeeh · 26-10-2017 03:33PM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

Have you any evidence to show this pay gap. I hadn't seen any fact put forward that show the true picture. I want like for like facts not overall generalisation s

It's a report EU do. I suggest you write to Juncker & Co. and tell them to stop publishing nonsense. Anyway it's a worldwide research conspiracy against men.

Pac1Man · 26-10-2017 03:37PM

kylith wrote: »

She isn't.

She's the highest paid woman on television.

Jim Parsons is the highest paid actor on TV per episode. Pulling in, as best as I can find, double what Vergara does at $1m per episode.

A quick search rebukes this!

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/maddieberg/2017/09/26/the-worlds-highest-paid-tv-actresses-2017-sofia-vergara-leads-with-41-5-million-total-2/amp/

"With per-episode earnings of $1 million, Kelly Cuoco’s Big Bang Theory income, for example, is more than two times Vergara’s Modern Family paycheck."

Kelly is on the same wage as Jim Parsons and Johnny Galecki.

Sofia earns more per year due to endorsements.

Is this just point scoring at this stage?

kylith · 26-10-2017 03:41PM

Pac1Man wrote: »

A quick search rebukes this!

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/maddieberg/2017/09/26/the-worlds-highest-paid-tv-actresses-2017-sofia-vergara-leads-with-41-5-million-total-2/amp/

"With per-episode earnings of $1 million, Kelly Cuoco’s Big Bang Theory income, for example, is more than two times Vergara’s Modern Family paycheck."

Kelly is on the same wage as Jim Parsons and Johnny Galecki.

Sofia earns more per year due to endorsements.

Is this just point scoring at this stage?

My info must have been old.

Just wanted to say kudos to the BBT cast though; they all took a pay cut so Mayim Bialik and Melissa Rauch could get more pay parity.

pickarooney · 26-10-2017 03:44PM

It seems like a false dichotomy. It's always presented in such a way that working shorter hours and spending time with your own flesh and blood is some sort of punishment while spending 50 hours a week in an office is living the life of Reilly.

It's not as though fathers are spending all their untold wealth on Ferraris and helicopters; they're spending it on rent, food and clothes for their families whom they barely get to see a lot of the time. Such men would be over the moon if their wives earned a bit more money.

It's bull**** distraction tactics pushed through the media to feed the hoi polloi's insecurities and have them turn on one another. Nothing new in that.

The problem of equal access to opportunity for single employees is a different story altogether and needs to be sorted out fairly lively.

Pac1Man · 26-10-2017 03:44PM

kylith wrote: »

My info must have been old.

Just wanted to say kudos to the BBT cast though; they all took a pay cut so Mayim Bialik and Melissa Rauch could get more pay parity.

Deservedly so. They are as much a part of the main cast as any of them at this stage.

Mayim is a neuroscientist too as far as I know.

Are Am Eye · 26-10-2017 03:53PM

Women are producing 14% less dubious resesrch and statistics in this thread. We must close the study gap

26-10-2017 03:57PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

Women are producing 14% less dubious resesrch and statistics in this thread. We must close the study gap

How can you tell who is male/female? :rolleyes:

cfuserkildare · 26-10-2017 03:58PM

I wonder how many complaints Angela Merkel has placed since women are under-paid so badly??

Are Am Eye · 26-10-2017 04:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

How can you tell who is male/female? :rolleyes:

Easy. People who use roll eyes emot are little bitches.

B.A._Baracus · 26-10-2017 04:05PM

The whole gender pay gap is like the "only white people can be racist" thing...

Both being absolutely crap but people like to cite as fact.

givyjoe · 26-10-2017 04:07PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

The whole gender pay gap is like the "only white people can be racist" thing...

Both being absolutely crap but people like to cite as fact.

Watchu talking about fooool

I bet I'm the first to use that :P

26-10-2017 04:09PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

Easy. People who use roll eyes emot are little bitches.

professore · 26-10-2017 07:50PM

All my and my wife's salaries go to run the house and kids. I don't get too spend any of it on myself.

Neutral Definite · 26-10-2017 07:58PM

Let's also not forget about negotiation skills, I know a number of men, including myself who have threatened to quit if they don't get a payrise. Do women threaten to quit as often as men?

It's not simply equal pay for equal work, the better negotiator you are the more money you get.

McCrack · 26-10-2017 08:00PM

amcalester wrote: »

They're fierce moany.

Not to mention excessive sick days

andekwarhola · 26-10-2017 08:36PM

Obviously, baldly shouting sexism is inaccurate because if it were just that, surely women wouldn't progress in the workplace at all. Our company has a number of female directors for example. My overall manager is a woman as well.

That said, it's wrong to simply point out the bald fact that many women's careers do stall or end because of children. It's hardly their fault that they're the gender that bears children and that parental leave often isn't equally available.

26-10-2017 08:47PM

andekwarhola wrote: »

Obviously, baldly shouting sexism is inaccurate because if it were just that, surely women wouldn't progress in the workplace at all. Our company has a number of female directors for example. My overall manager is a woman as well.

That said, it's wrong to simply point out the bald fact that many women's careers do stall or end because of children. It's hardly their fault that they're the gender that bears children and that parental leave often isn't equally available.

Tell that to the women who decide not to have children (or can't have children) and focus on their careers instead...

andekwarhola · 26-10-2017 08:56PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tell that to the women who decide not to have children (or can't have children) and focus on their careers instead...

Dunno if you spotted the little pronoun 'many' in my post.

That's what you write to distinguish between a lot but not all of the subjects at hand.

zedhead · 26-10-2017 09:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That's without even considering the time taken away from work for meetings, emergencies, and other activities related to her children, that requires her to miss a day or portions of the day. Childless people in the same department won't have those distractions or excuses to miss work, and therefore should be paid in a respectable manner.

But why is it those things are down to the mothers to do? You say childless people in the same department but what you mean is childless people and fathers. Children have 2 parents in the workplace - why aren't fathers missing just as much work for these things?

One of the reasons I am thinking about not having children is because of this. It is my career that will be inevitably affected and not my partners. We need to start not only allowing couples to divide maternity leave however they see fit but also actively encouraging fathers to use this. It is easier for women to ask for a shortened week to spend more time with their family - its normal for women to ask for this but strange if a man was to.

26-10-2017 09:05PM

andekwarhola wrote: »

Dunno if you spotted the little pronoun 'many' in my post.

That's what you write to distinguish between a lot but not all of the subjects at hand.

That said, it's wrong to simply point out the bald fact that many women's careers do stall or end because of children. It's hardly their fault that they're the gender that bears children and that parental leave often isn't equally available.

I objected noting women who chose not to have children or couldn't have children.

Neutral Definite · 26-10-2017 09:06PM

zedhead wrote: »

But why is it those things are down to the mothers to do? You say childless people in the same department but what you mean is childless people and fathers. Children have 2 parents in the workplace - why aren't fathers missing just as much work for these things?

One of the reasons I am thinking about not having children is because of this. It is my career that will be inevitably affected and not my partners. We need to start not only allowing couples to divide maternity leave however they see fit but also actively encouraging fathers to use this. It is easier for women to ask for a shortened week to spend more time with their family - its normal for women to ask for this but strange if a man was to.

It's personal choice between Mothers and Fathers who is the main child carer if any.

Gender pay disparity - what is the truth?

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