Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - MOD NOTE POST #4781

Yeah_Right · 26-10-2017 01:49PM

awec wrote: »

There are continual rumours and talk of the IRFU being difficult to work with when it comes to contract negotiations which I am sure does not help, and that is a valid enough thing to complain about.

Ok, if guys really want to leave they'll leave, but if they're on the fence or willing to talk the IRFU messing them about is going to be detrimental. Not at all suggesting that happened in this specific case.

One of the big factors in Sexton leaving was the IRFU dicking him about with a stupidly low offer.

I've heard similar from guys involved in rugby administration in Dublin.

This is purely speculation but I wonder if some of it is a hangover from the amateur era. Maybe some of the people in charge still can't grasp that players are and should be getting paid. Ireland voted against a RWC and it took them a while to actually refer to the tournament as a World Cup and I've heard stories about the teething problems Ireland had when the game went pro. Is it possible there are still a few dinosaurs in the corridors of power making it more difficult than it should be?

Like I said it's pure speculation on my part.

irishbucsfan · 26-10-2017 01:51PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I've heard similar from guys involved in rugby administration in Dublin.

This is purely speculation but I wonder if some of it is a hangover from the amateur era. Maybe some of the people in charge still can't grasp that players are and should be getting paid. Ireland voted against a RWC and it took them a while to actually refer to the tournament as a World Cup and I've heard stories about the teething problems Ireland had when the game went pro. Is it possible there are still a few dinosaurs in the corridors of power making it more difficult than it should be?

Like I said it's pure speculation on my part.

No, I don't think it's a holdover from the amateur days any more. The guys causing problems now according to the people I know are not the old lads.

Yeah_Right · 26-10-2017 01:51PM

Madelynn Glamorous Range wrote: »

He's the third high profile/current international player that has left Irish rugby in the last, what, decade or more (after Sexton and Ryan)? The IRFU do a remarkable job at keeping players here.

Excuse me but what about Ben Betts? I believe he left for Leicester.

26-10-2017 01:53PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Excuse me but what about Ben Betts? I believe he left for Leicester.

I still haven't gotten over that one, to the extent I cannot speak (or type) his name.

Erik Shin · 26-10-2017 02:08PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Excuse me but what about Ben Betts? I believe he left for Leicester.

*Twitch*

26-10-2017 02:10PM

When is the squad announcement does anyone know?

Erik Shin · 26-10-2017 02:13PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

When is the squad announcement does anyone know?

About lunchtime

26-10-2017 02:15PM

"4 uncapped players in Ireland's #GuinnessSeries Squad. Congrats Darren Sweetnam, Bundee Aki, Chris Farrell & Adam Byrnes"

26-10-2017 02:16PM

FORWARDS (21)
Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) Captain104 caps
Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster) 4 caps
Ultan Dillane (Corinthians/Connacht) 10 caps
Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 16 caps
Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 70 caps
Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 32 caps
Rob Herring (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 1 cap
Dave Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster) 20 caps
Dan Leavy (UCD/Leinster) 4 caps
Jack McGrath (St Mary's College/Leinster) 41 caps
Sean O'Brien (UCD/Leinster) 49 caps
Tommy O'Donnell (UL Bohemians/Munster) 12 caps
Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 40 caps
Andrew Porter (UCD/Leinster) 2 caps
Rhys Ruddock (St Mary's College/Leinster) 16 caps
James Ryan (UCD/Leinster) 2 caps
John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 9 caps
CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 15 caps
Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 50 caps
James Tracey (UCD/Leinster) 4 caps
Kieran Treadwell (Ballymena/Ulster) 2 caps

BACKS (17)
Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht) uncapped
Adam Byrne (UCD/Leinster) uncapped
Joey Carbery (Clontarf/Leinster) 4 caps
Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster) 3 caps
Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 62 caps
Chris Farrell (Young Munster/Munster) uncapped
Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 29 caps
Dave Kearney (Lansdowne/Leinster) 16 caps
Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 76 caps
Ian Keatley (Young Munster/Munster) 5 caps
Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht) 16 caps
Stuart McCloskey (Bangor/UIster) 1 cap
Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) 4 caps
Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 57 caps
Johnny Sexton (St Mary's College/Leinster) 66 caps
Jacob Stockdale (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster) 2 caps
Darren Sweetnam (Cork Constitution/Munster) uncapped

26-10-2017 02:16PM

I wonder was Barry Daly in the running prior to injury.

Former Former · 26-10-2017 02:17PM

Sean Cronin out. Rob Herring in. Didn't see that coming.

And of course, the alphabetical listing doesn't go all the way to Z...

Quint2010 · 26-10-2017 02:17PM

No Sean Cronin?

Burkie1203 · 26-10-2017 02:17PM

No zebo.

Bazzo · 26-10-2017 02:19PM

Cronin getting the axe is a fairly big surprise. Herring deserves the callup.

errlloyd · 26-10-2017 02:19PM

No Zebo is huge.

connachta · 26-10-2017 02:20PM

no TOH??????

ClanofLams · 26-10-2017 02:20PM

No TOH is disappointing

26-10-2017 02:20PM

Some big calls here looking through this. Delighted for Ryan and Porter. Bit surprised Keatley is there and no Ross Byrne.

Cronin being left out is quite astonishing to be honest, I'd have thought he was very much still in the fold especially with Scannel injured.

Delighted Tommy O'Donnell got in, deserves it on form.

Chris Farrell is blessed, playing like a drain and never previously part of the setup. Delighted to see McCloskey brought in, has earned it and then some.

Plenty of curve balls there to be honest. #IJWT

swiwi_ · 26-10-2017 02:21PM

LOL Adam Byrne. Don’t have a problem with it but it’s ironic.

Buer · 26-10-2017 02:22PM

The Zebo cut is massive. Cronin, I'm not so shocked about. He has been struggling with injuries and has not been guaranteed his Leinster place for over a year.

But Zebo....that's huge. I think this will finally firmly put to bed any notions about people still being selected whilst abroad. Zebo isn't Murray or Sexton but he's on the next tier of players and will continue to play in Ireland for another 7 months.

Is there anything about an injury for him?

26-10-2017 02:22PM

Trimble and Bowe left out is notable, you'd wonder if that's it for them in green.

Buer · 26-10-2017 02:26PM

swiwi_ wrote: »

LOL Adam Byrne. Don’t have a problem with it but it’s ironic.

He was always going to get capped at some point and they appear to have culled Bowe and Trimble now.

Dave Kearney must have dirty photos of Schmidt.

swiwi_ · 26-10-2017 02:26PM

errlloyd wrote: »

No Zebo is huge.

I see to remember you posting about NZ « punishing » Piutau.

Personally I think it’s cutting off nose to spite face, Zebo should be selected until overseas.

It might backfire on IRFU if players such as Murray etc think Zebo has been dealt a raw hand there.

arsebiscuits1 · 26-10-2017 02:26PM

Props: Furlong, Healy, Kilcoyne, McGrath, Porter, Ryan
Hookers: Best, Herring, Tracey
Locks: Dillane, Henderson, Ryan, Toner, Treadwell
Back rows: Conan, Leavy, SOB, TOD, POM, Ruddock, Stander
Scrumhalves: Marmion, McGrath, Murray
Outhalves: Carbery, Keatley, Sexton
Centres: Aki, Farrell, Henshaw, McCloskey
Back 3: Byrne, Conway, Earls, Kearney, Kearney, Stockdale, Sweetnam

No Rory Scannell, TOH or Cronin a big shock.

Both Kearneys probably fortunate to feature. Presume this is them shoed in to start the next 2 weeks at Leinster

swiwi_ · 26-10-2017 02:27PM

This is the first Schmidt selection ever where I feel he is giving youth a chance: Porter, Ryan, Byrne etc.

Good man.

26-10-2017 02:29PM

Dave Kearney is most likely in because Zebo isn't.

Sub hooker is straight up poor. Otherwise it's a decent squad, even if a few guys have been unlucky.

Rattlehead_ie · 26-10-2017 02:31PM

Im assuming Tyler Bleyendaal isnt available till 6N for selection right?

Former Former · 26-10-2017 02:32PM

Buer wrote: »

The Zebo cut is massive. Cronin, I'm not so shocked about. He has been struggling with injuries and has not been guaranteed his Leinster place for over a year.

But Zebo....that's huge. I think this will finally firmly put to bed any notions about people still being selected whilst abroad. Zebo isn't Murray or Sexton but he's on the next tier of players and will continue to play in Ireland for another 7 months.

Is there anything about an injury for him?

Injury for Zebo? He's playing tomorrow

arsebiscuits1 · 26-10-2017 02:32PM

Rattlehead_ie wrote: »

Im assuming Tyler Bleyendaal isnt available till 6N for selection right?

Yes but even if he wasn't he still wouldn't be near the squad on current form. Ross Byrne would get ahead of him currently and he wasn't picked (nor should he have been IMO

aloooof · 26-10-2017 02:33PM

Rattlehead_ie wrote: »

Im assuming Tyler Bleyendaal isnt available till 6N for selection right?

Correct. January he qualifies.

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