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Number26/N26 Mastercard/Account now for Irish Residents

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  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,978 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    Bob24 wrote: »
    I believe not accepting a card because it is issued by a German bank would be illegal as per SEPA regulations (blocking it because the billing address is outside of Ireland would be fine though, but an Irish N26 customer presumably had a billing address in Ireland).

    It should be but as I've previously posted, there are several Irish websites which block the use of non-Irish payment cards including, most bizarrely of all, Bus Éireann.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭Explosive_Cornflake


    Quackster wrote: »
    It should be but as I've previously posted, there are several Irish websites which block the use of non-Irish payment cards including, most bizarrely of all, Bus Éireann.

    That explains why i couldn't buy a ticket using my revolut or N26 card one day. No error message to indicate this either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    They also do not accept cards that do not support Verified by Visa.

    N26 now supports Mastercard’s implementation of 3D-Secure. I assume Bus Éireann would accept that, or do they actually only accept Visa’s implementation?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    I tried to use an Irish card that has no verified by visa on the account. Payment refused.

    Was it a MasterCard 3D Secure card or a card without 3D Secure?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    A card with no 3D on it.

    Ok. So I think this specific issue shouldn’t affect N26 since they do have 3D Secure now.


  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,978 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    Bob24 wrote: »
    Ok. So I think this specific issue shouldn’t affect N26 since they do have 3D Secure now.

    Yeah, my EBS MasterCard debit card works without issue on the Bus Éireann website.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭pasquale83


    just to say I was very impressed today. Made a transfer between my KBC and my N26 bank account. the transaction came through in a couple of hours! who's the merit?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭lehe8707


    BOTH!!! That's the best combination you could have i think. For transfers. KBC - > N26 and vise verca


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    pasquale83 wrote: »
    just to say I was very impressed today. Made a transfer between my KBC and my N26 bank account. the transaction came through in a couple of hours! who's the merit?

    The source bank for the transfer.

    KBC processes them twice a day and N26 a bit more. All other Irish banks only once a day in the morning which is pretty bad compared to what I’ve seen with other European banks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭pasquale83


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    hi, I'm not sure about the time Irish banks send money at 1500. I get the morning after on my KBC account transfers made from AIB by third parties the night before, also very late at night (2200/2300).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭lehe8707


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    Definitely not all banks. AIB and BOI in particular are poor for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    pasquale83 wrote: »
    hi, I'm not sure about the time Irish banks send money at 1500. I get the morning after on my KBC account transfers made from AIB by third parties the night before, also very late at night (2200/2300).

    On their website AIB say that the cut-off time to initiate the CT is 3PM if you want the payment to be cleared the next business day (presumably in the morning): https://business.aib.ie/help/sepa-faq/

    “The payment file must be submitted to AIB by 3.00pm one business day before the requested execution date. For example, if the beneficiary is supposed to receive funds on the 28th March, the file must be submitted to AIB by 3.00pm on 27th March.”

    But I guess if you see a different behaviour it could be that their backend system is is more flexible than what the website says.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    lehe8707 wrote: »
    Definitely not all banks. AIB and BOI in particular are poor for it.

    I closed my BOI account 6 months ago but until then I never found them to cause issues with incoming transfers. They are the same as any bank.

    The problem is more with them only processing outgoing transfers once a day, but that is an issue across all Irish banks except KBC.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭lehe8707


    Bob24 wrote: »
    On their website AIB say that the cut-off time to initiate the CT is 3PM if you want the payment to be cleared the next business day (presumably in the morning): https://business.aib.ie/help/sepa-faq/

    “The payment file must be submitted to AIB by 3.00pm one business day before the requested execution date. For example, if the beneficiary is supposed to receive funds on the 28th March, the file must be submitted to AIB by 3.00pm on 27th March.”

    But I guess if you see a different behaviour it could be that their backend system is is more flexible than what the website says.

    Maybe those times are for "business" transactions? On a "business" account?? Thanks for the source though. I'm afraid that the only bank(widely used in IRL) i've been impressed with is KBC regarding transaction times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    lehe8707 wrote: »
    Maybe those times are for "business" transactions? On a "business" account?? Thanks for the source though. I'm afraid that the only bank(widely used in IRL) i've been impressed with is KBC regarding transaction times.

    Oops yeah sorry wrong link. This one is better: https://aib.ie/help-and-guidance/international-payments-faqs

    It is a bit messy but from what I understand the cut-off time is actually 4pm for the payment to be credited the next working day.

    Yes to my knowledge and in my experience KBC Ireland is the only Irish bank which will do intra-day CT processing without an extra fee (I believe AIB will do it be you have to pay a rush fee which is a bit ridiculous).

    N26 is still faster than KBC though. A transfer from N26 to PTSB initiated at 9AM will in my experience hit the PTSB account around noon while the same transfer from KBC will arrive in the mid afternoon (and if it was from any other Irish bank it would only arrive he next morning).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭prmcnamara


    Speaking of transfers, SEPA Instant is coming next month. Has N26 or any Irish bank mentioned that they would be supporting it? I assume N26 will be.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,904 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    prmcnamara wrote: »
    Speaking of transfers, SEPA Instant is coming next month. Has N26 or any Irish bank mentioned that they would be supporting it? I assume N26 will be.

    I assume no Irish bank will be.


    In fairness, AIB and KBC haven't been too bad from a technological point of view in recent years. Maybe they'll look into it (but is there any point if the other banks won't be sending money instantly?).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    McGaggs wrote: »
    I assume no Irish bank will be.

    BOI have no plans at the minute.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,151 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Just had my first 3D secure transaction - painless, just confirmed on app and done.
    Compared to other cards in the past where it asks you for certain numbers in your password etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭Yggr of Asgard


    It looks like on Friday (13th) N26 has submitted records about customers current account to the German Schufa for all bank accounts that were active with them or in the past with Wirecard. Previously this did not happen regularly but only in case of an overdraft, now it's all accounts.

    There are some reports that this was not only the case for German residents but also for residents of countries for which the Schufa is offering a cross European service (which includes Ireland).

    The German Schufa is similar to the Irish Credit Bureau and the Governments Central Credit Register but way worse (as they collect way more data) so you might now have a record with them. Those records could in theory, especially if they are negative also transmitted to the European Partners of Schufa (ICB).

    There are also reports that N26 has also started requesting Schufa European Service for opening of new accounts, it's not fully clear to which extend the ICB and Schufa are working together (as Schufa is not a member of the ICB) but there seams to be some extensive co-operation now. Which in light of the Central Credit Register might be a new method of the ICB to continue to justify it's existence.

    Now if they indeed have transmitted data of non German residents they have violated their own terms which state as to Schufa "Consent for Clause 8 [Schufa] is intended solely for end Customers with an address in Germany."

    So if you have an account with them (or had one in the past) I would keep an eye out to see if there are more reports about non German residents getting hit with a Schufa data set.

    If I see any proof of Irish Residents now having a Schufa entry I'm going to report it, right now it's simply a couple of non German residents venting that they seam to have also gotten an entry. Those are special cases, because they are German citizens which have historic data and hence see that new data was added.

    I just though it might be good to share this info here so that you have the full picture.

    It also would be very interesting to see how the ICB is co-operating with Schufa, I just might send them an e-mail.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭Yggr of Asgard


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    It's a little bit different than in Ireland.

    In Ireland you have the right to ask a company if they have data stored about you for free. If they say they do, you than can request all of that data for a fee.

    In Germany, you can't do the first, you need to request a full data under § 34 Bundesdatenschutzgesetz (Data Protection Act).

    To do that you need to download a form (here), fill it out and send it to them with a copy of your passport and a copy of the address register to proof where you live. As in Ireland we don't have the last you would need to attach a proof of address like a copy a utility bill.

    Now be careful, they will try to sell you more expensive variants of the request, make sure to not indicate those on the form and only use the § 34 Bundesdatenschutzgesetz which is free (one a year in case of credit reporting agencies). Do not enter your bank account info into the field, do not mark the "alternative" as that is fee based.

    If you speak German you also can call them on +49611 - 92780 and ask them. In principle the law requires them to provide you with the info if you request if verbally, fax, via e-mail, postal mail or in person, but in practice they require you to fill out the form and attach a copy of your identification document.

    But I would wait until more info is available because if there is no record you requesting your record will create a record.

    What you also can do to find out about it, is go about it the opposite way. Make a request to N26 under § 34 Bundesdatenschutzgesetz which means they would need to share with you if they have transmitted your data to another company like Schufa. That way you don't create a record with Schufa if you don't have one.

    I hope that helps, I would wait until end of next week to see if more people come forward about this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭cefh17


    Forgive my ignorance, what's the issue with them having records for Irish account holders with the German schufa or whatever?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    N26 Savings now available in Austria. Hopefully it is a sign that they’re going to expand more non core services to other countries than Germany.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    Privacy.

    If the ridiculously over paranoid and security conscious Germans are ok with Schufa then it is not probably something to be too worried about.


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