Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

phkk · 08-10-2017 08:10PM

Thought Michael Gannon in goal looked county class today. He brought off an incredible reaction save in the first half too and oozes confidence. Ballyragget have some lovely hurlers all over the field and are looking to finally end their hoodoo of losing in afew finals at this grade. Kevin Kelly was excellent and looked really dangerous. The Brennans, Stauntons, Morrisseys and Phelans are good hurlers and will take beating.
Ballycallan had another great second half performance to book their place in the final. Billy and Sean Ryan were lively up front and Eddie Brennan caused havoc when introduced. Young Jesse Roberts was excellent too.
From a county perspective, Ger Alyward was very poor. Eoin and Alan Murphy were excellent in the first half but faded out of it in the second half. Padraig Walsh battled away but wasn't as effective as he normally is for them. Tommy Walsh was anonymous which is hard to believe! Kevin Kelly was excellent as already mentioned.
I must note Morrisseys thunderous shoulder on Padraig Walsh bearing down on goal in the second half, what a hit! Very well timed and very fair shoulder to shoulder tackle, great to see!

Village87 · 09-10-2017 08:29AM

brookville wrote: »

Thought Padraig bar winning a few high balls was quiet and it was Mossy Keoghan who battles best up front for them second half. Kelly was outstanding abs his touch was excellent. Really impressed with Geoff Morrisey at Full Back who is a huge unit but more importantly is well able to hurl and dare I say I wouldn't mind seen how he would fair out at county level.....

Glenmore will be very dissapointed with the second half collapse. Eddie was very good when he came on and Billy Ryan got a fantastic goal. All the pressure will be on Ballyragget as favourites in final but GBC rightly so will fancy their chances

I agree mossy had a good 2nd half but I thought padraig was good especially in the first half he was bottled up in the 2nd,he won the penalty aswell.
The peno tullaroan gave away was needless but high giving the ref no choice,that put 9 in at at that stage it was a big lead to peg back but like John Walsh yesterday Shane went for power where as Kevin placed his in the corner with no run up to it.
You'd have to fancy bragget now an I hope they do it as they've being there so long trying to win[/QUOTE]

Very very dissapointed in the 2 Tommy Walshs, especially the younger one, lacks any presence and non existant in the air

Ceist_Beag · 09-10-2017 08:49AM

phkk wrote: »

I must note Morrisseys thunderous shoulder on Padraig Walsh bearing down on goal in the second half, what a hit! Very well timed and very fair shoulder to shoulder tackle, great to see!

+1 As well timed and executed a piece of defending as you are likely to see, preventing what looked like a certain goal. He's certainly growing into the role of full back this year and is looking very assured.

droppingball · 09-10-2017 12:12PM

Was at the Ballyhale and Clara game, Richie Reid hurled well at centre back, he sat in and protected Joey where he could. This is an area where the county are struggling as we get sucked out the field a lot. His distribution was very good, worth a look at in the league but doubt he would be dominant enough for centre back at inter county but we won't know unless he is tried out.

Clara didn't score a point from play until around the 50th minute or so which is very poor. The did also miss a number of frees and Langton missed a crucial one near the end of extra time that Bolger should have taken.

Clara played with a withdrawn man between the full forward and half forward line and two inside. Both played very narrow inside and all ball that went in was high and hanging. Chris Bolger caught a few but he was generally surrounded by defenders. One thing that couldn't be questioned is how hard Clara fought they were very dogged and the Shamrocks found it hard to shake them off.

In the main Adrian Mullen found it hard going but he got two great cross field balls from his brother and he skinned his man and got 1-1 from them. Darren Mullen hurled well and midfield seems to suit him, very tidy in must stuff he did but got caught on the ball a few times. He did give the forwards the advantage with his clever balls in though which provided a number of scores.

Colin Fennelly was very patchy and was out of the game for large portions of it. I'd say Henry was not impressed being brought on and taken off. It nearly gave Clara a lift everytime he was beaten to a ball but I'd say Henry will be sharper with more hurling.

Missed the intermediate games, how did Conor Flynn and Colm Prenderville hurl as I was impressed with them in the quarter finals?

Village87 · 09-10-2017 02:35PM

droppingball wrote: »

Was at the Ballyhale and Clara game, Richie Reid hurled well at centre back, he sat in and protected Joey where he could. This is an area where the county are struggling as we get sucked out the field a lot. His distribution was very good, worth a look at in the league but doubt he would be dominant enough for centre back at inter county but we won't know unless he is tried out.

Clara didn't score a point from play until around the 50th minute or so which is very poor. The did also miss a number of frees and Langton missed a crucial one near the end of extra time that Bolger should have taken.

Clara played with a withdrawn man between the full forward and half forward line and two inside. Both played very narrow inside and all ball that went in was high and hanging. Chris Bolger caught a few but he was generally surrounded by defenders. One thing that couldn't be questioned is how hard Clara fought they were very dogged and the Shamrocks found it hard to shake them off.

In the main Adrian Mullen found it hard going but he got two great cross field balls from his brother and he skinned his man and got 1-1 from them. Darren Mullen hurled well and midfield seems to suit him, very tidy in must stuff he did but got caught on the ball a few times. He did give the forwards the advantage with his clever balls in though which provided a number of scores.

Colin Fennelly was very patchy and was out of the game for large portions of it. I'd say Henry was not impressed being brought on and taken off. It nearly gave Clara a lift everytime he was beaten to a ball but I'd say Henry will be sharper with more hurling.

Missed the intermediate games, how did Conor Flynn and Colm Prenderville hurl as I was impressed with them in the quarter finals?

Two big young lads. Good athletes but there hurling needs to improve, they did ok

dastardly00 · 09-10-2017 02:47PM

@Village87

Do you think the Village have any chance against Ballyhale?

danganabu · 09-10-2017 03:54PM

droppingball wrote: »

Was at the Ballyhale and Clara game, Richie Reid hurled well at centre back, he sat in and protected Joey where he could. This is an area where the county are struggling as we get sucked out the field a lot. His distribution was very good, worth a look at in the league but doubt he would be dominant enough for centre back at inter county but we won't know unless he is tried out.

I have no idea of whether Richie Reid is good enough to play centre back at the top level, but I would be very cautious about dismissing a lad on the basis that he doesn't visually dominate the game. Two of the best and most under rated centre backs of the last 20 years imo were Brian Hogan and Conor O'Mahoney and both were not fully appreciated for what they brought to their respective teams until they were gone. Neither could ever be described as ''dominant'' centre backs, but what they did was they held the centre well, they gave the defence a definitive structure and protected the full back line very well. I would go as far as saying that this is the type of centre back that KK should be actively looking for as opposed to the swashbuckling all singing all dancing type. My own county found this out the hard way with Padraic Maher and he is probably the best wing back in the country over the last number of years since he was removed from the Centre/Full back positions where he didn't have the discipline required.

droppingball · 09-10-2017 04:20PM

danganabu wrote: »

I have no idea of whether Richie Reid is good enough to play centre back at the top level, but I would be very cautious about dismissing a lad on the basis that he doesn't visually dominate the game. Two of the best and most under rated centre backs of the last 20 years imo were Brian Hogan and Conor O'Mahoney and both were not fully appreciated for what they brought to their respective teams until they were gone. Neither could ever be described as ''dominant'' centre backs, but what they did was they held the centre well, they gave the defence a definitive structure and protected the full back line very well. I would go as far as saying that this is the type of centre back that KK should be actively looking for as opposed to the swashbuckling all singing all dancing type. My own county found this out the hard way with Padraic Maher and he is probably the best wing back in the country over the last number of years since he was removed from the Centre/Full back positions where he didn't have the discipline required.

Agree totally with your point about being dominant, however I did say he should be tried and then hopefully we will see what he can bring. Definitely not writing him off totally but have doubts he is the answer until we see how he goes.

He can mop up ball, holds the centre but worry that he is not aggressive or combative enough for inter county. Would also like to see more of him to see how good he is in the air. Brian Hogan and Conor O Mahony may not have been control a game type of centre backs but they had agression and were strong in the tackle.

It is definitely worth taking a chance on him in the league for two games and see how he fares.

suirway · 09-10-2017 06:45PM

Village87 wrote: »

I agree mossy had a good 2nd half but I thought padraig was good especially in the first half he was bottled up in the 2nd,he won the penalty aswell.
The peno tullaroan gave away was needless but high giving the ref no choice,that put 9 in at at that stage it was a big lead to peg back but like John Walsh yesterday Shane went for power where as Kevin placed his in the corner with no run up to it.
You'd have to fancy bragget now an I hope they do it as they've being there so long trying to win

Very very dissapointed in the 2 Tommy Walshs, especially the younger one, lacks any presence and non existant in the air[/quote]

Heard Tommy Walsh (under 21) was in hospital sick earlier in the week so probably wasn't right.

brookville · 09-10-2017 09:01PM

suirway wrote: »

Very very dissapointed in the 2 Tommy Walshs, especially the younger one, lacks any presence and non existant in the air

Heard Tommy Walsh (under 21) was in hospital sick earlier in the week so probably wasn't right.[/quote]
He was well off yesterday anyway but I thought his man got the better of him against young irelands aswell,he has a lot of hurling done maybe he needs a break although most of these lads will be into it with their colleges.
Most of the matches at the weekend were high scoring but a lot is from frees,lot of frees giving at club level don't be giving at county level.

blackcard · 09-10-2017 09:11PM

brookville wrote: »

suirway wrote: »

Very very dissapointed in the 2 Tommy Walshs, especially the younger one, lacks any presence and non existant in the air

Heard Tommy Walsh (under 21) was in hospital sick earlier in the week so probably wasn't right.

He was well off yesterday anyway but I thought his man got the better of him against young irelands aswell,he has a lot of hurling done maybe he needs a break although most of these lads will be into it with their colleges.
Most of the matches at the weekend were high scoring but a lot is from frees,lot of frees giving at club level don't be giving at county level.[/quote]
Kevin Kelly got 1-8 from frees, Shane Walsh 0-9 from frees (missed a penalty. David Walton got 0-10 from frees I think. A lot of the frees stupid ones to give away.

blackcard · 09-10-2017 09:11PM

brookville wrote: »

suirway wrote: »

Very very dissapointed in the 2 Tommy Walshs, especially the younger one, lacks any presence and non existant in the air

Heard Tommy Walsh (under 21) was in hospital sick earlier in the week so probably wasn't right.

He was well off yesterday anyway but I thought his man got the better of him against young irelands aswell,he has a lot of hurling done maybe he needs a break although most of these lads will be into it with their colleges.
Most of the matches at the weekend were high scoring but a lot is from frees,lot of frees giving at club level don't be giving at county level.[/quote]
Kevin Kelly got 1-8 from frees, Shane Walsh 0-9 from frees (missed a penalty. David Walton got 0-10 from frees I think. A lot of the frees stupid ones to give away.

Noddy33 · 09-10-2017 09:39PM

danganabu wrote: »

droppingball wrote: »

Was at the Ballyhale and Clara game, Richie Reid hurled well at centre back, he sat in and protected Joey where he could. This is an area where the county are struggling as we get sucked out the field a lot. His distribution was very good, worth a look at in the league but doubt he would be dominant enough for centre back at inter county but we won't know unless he is tried out.

I have no idea of whether Richie Reid is good enough to play centre back at the top level, but I would be very cautious about dismissing a lad on the basis that he doesn't visually dominate the game. Two of the best and most under rated centre backs of the last 20 years imo were Brian Hogan and Conor O'Mahoney and both were not fully appreciated for what they brought to their respective teams until they were gone. Neither could ever be described as ''dominant'' centre backs, but what they did was they held the centre well, they gave the defence a definitive structure and protected the full back line very well. I would go as far as saying that this is the type of centre back that KK should be actively looking for as opposed to the swashbuckling all singing all dancing type. My own county found this out the hard way with Padraic Maher and he is probably the best wing back in the country over the last number of years since he was removed from the Centre/Full back positions where he didn't have the discipline required.

Agreee Richie Reid doesn't have the physique and presence for Centre Back but what he does have is the ability to read the game and ball incredibly well. He also very good under the high ball which is something we missed last year hugely as our half back line couldn't win any pick outs. His distribution is excellent and also has the ability to take a long range score. Where he struggles a bit is that he is a bit rash in the tackle and gives away a few frees as this probably comes from spending most his career in the forwards but is something that can he easily improve. Definitely like to see him get a run at centre back and Right half back

minty81 · 09-10-2017 10:05PM

God himself appointed as u21 manager tonight. Best of luck to him.

brookville · 09-10-2017 10:06PM

Dj appointed u21 manager
http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/sport/275170/kilkenny-hurling-d-j-carey-appointed-under-21-manager.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

blackcard · 09-10-2017 10:49PM

brookville wrote: »

Dj appointed u21 manager
http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/sport/275170/kilkenny-hurling-d-j-carey-appointed-under-21-manager.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Saw him at the intermediate matches yesterday. Cody there as usual. Does he even miss a junior match?

Village87 · 10-10-2017 08:35AM

dastardly00 wrote: »

@Village87

Do you think the Village have any chance against Ballyhale?

Have a good chance, probably a better balance team than Ballyhale but then Ballyhale have TJ. Jackie needs to up his game, very sluggish at the minute. Any good team has a chance v Ballyhale at the moment

brookville · 11-10-2017 01:29PM

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/1010/911383-dj/
Dj going to have a chat with brian about our playing style, dj is right about our playing style being too predictable hopefully things change next year,I dunno if brian will listen to him tho

kilkennyboy · 11-10-2017 01:50PM

brookville wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/1010/911383-dj/
Dj going to have a chat with brian about our playing style, dj is right about our playing style being too predictable hopefully things change next year,I dunno if brian will listen to him tho

maybe a comment that should have been kept to himself. bit early for im going to fix it all chat.
media can twist it .

dastardly00 · 11-10-2017 02:15PM

The media are always going to pick up on something in order to generate a headline/story.

I sincerely hope that Brian does take on board what DJ says

tbiggertycome · 11-10-2017 02:25PM

I think he's right to say it, there's nothing controversial in saying I want to talk to the Senior manager to get an idea of what kind of players he wants coming out of U21's. In fact there's been plenty on here calling for just such an approach. I don't think it should be a state secret that our managers are talking of coordinating. To be honest if Billy Nomates had been appointed instead and said the same thing to a journalist. I don't think it would even be published in the KP, let alone online and and in national papers but DJ is DJ and will always attract more attention when he opens his mouth. It'll be interesting to see who he appoints as his coaching team/selectors.

I see in the KP today that the county board have proposed a U19 club competition which will be open to 16, 17, 18 and 19 year olds (if the birthday fall right). The delegates at the last meeting were asked to go back to their clubs and discuss the proposal. All delegates present at the CB meeting endorsed the idea. The reason for it was to try and combat the huge 38% drop off from minor to U21 grade in the last few years. They will hope to ratify the proposal at the CB meeting in November.

dastardly00 · 11-10-2017 02:57PM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see who he appoints as his coaching team/selectors.

Just on this, is it entirely up to DJ to select his coaching team/selectors, or will he be 'asked' by the CB to pick certain people?

thesultan · 11-10-2017 03:11PM

I always thought that Kilkenny for the most part in their pomp their poor ball into their towards. Normally high aimless ones but Kilkenny could compete for them.

danganabu · 11-10-2017 03:21PM

thesultan wrote: »

I always thought that Kilkenny for the most part in their pomp their poor ball into their towards. Normally high aimless ones but Kilkenny could compete for them.

I would describe it more as direct that aimless to be fair.

randd1 · 12-10-2017 01:07PM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

I think he's right to say it, there's nothing controversial in saying I want to talk to the Senior manager to get an idea of what kind of players he wants coming out of U21's. In fact there's been plenty on here calling for just such an approach. I don't think it should be a state secret that our managers are talking of coordinating. To be honest if Billy Nomates had been appointed instead and said the same thing to a journalist. I don't think it would even be published in the KP, let alone online and and in national papers but DJ is DJ and will always attract more attention when he opens his mouth. It'll be interesting to see who he appoints as his coaching team/selectors.

I see in the KP today that the county board have proposed a U19 club competition which will be open to 16, 17, 18 and 19 year olds (if the birthday fall right). The delegates at the last meeting were asked to go back to their clubs and discuss the proposal. All delegates present at the CB meeting endorsed the idea. The reason for it was to try and combat the huge 38% drop off from minor to U21 grade in the last few years. They will hope to ratify the proposal at the CB meeting in November.

One of the smartest ideas I've heard from them in a long time. 4 years is too big a gap between 17 and 21 for players to go without some form of intermediary competition, and if succeeds in reducing the drop off in player numbers then all the better.

JJs Left Hand · 12-10-2017 10:04PM

Problem with U19 is when is it played. Leaving Cert one side of the summer and college the other. It'll have to be run off in July and August

Brian017 · 13-10-2017 10:25AM

The draft League fixtures have been released:

Round 1: Sat Jan 27th, Cork v Kilkenny; Sunday, Jan 28th, Clare v Tipperary, Waterford v Wexford

Round 2: Sat Feb 3rd, Tipperary v Waterford; Sunday, Feb 4th, Kilkenny v Clare, Wexford v Cork

Round 3: Sat Feb 17th, Tipperary v Wexford; Sunday, Feb 18th, Clare v Cork, Waterford v Kilkenny

Round 4: Sun Feb 25th, Kilkenny v Tipperary, Cork v Waterford, Wexford v Clare

Round 5: Sun Mar 4th, Kilkenny v Wexford, Tipperary v Cork, Waterford v Clare

dastardly00 · 13-10-2017 11:06AM

Brian017 wrote: »

The draft League fixtures have been released:

Round 1: Sat Jan 27th, Cork v Kilkenny; Sunday, Jan 28th, Clare v Tipperary, Waterford v Wexford

Round 2: Sat Feb 3rd, Tipperary v Waterford; Sunday, Feb 4th, Kilkenny v Clare, Wexford v Cork

Round 3: Sat Feb 17th, Tipperary v Wexford; Sunday, Feb 18th, Clare v Cork, Waterford v Kilkenny

Round 4: Sun Feb 25th, Kilkenny v Tipperary, Cork v Waterford, Wexford v Clare

Round 5: Sun Mar 4th, Kilkenny v Wexford, Tipperary v Cork, Waterford v Clare

So it's starting about 2 weeks earlier than usual, with 5 rounds being played in 6 weeks.

The 2017 Walsh Cup started in the first week of January and the final was played on the first weekend of February. Anyone know what the plan is for 2018?

greenspurs · 13-10-2017 11:33AM

Good match in Piltown last night. Minor B Mooncoin V Dunamaggin. The Mags won by 2, and were well worth the victory, probably should have been more.
Mooncoin drew level in the 2nd half after putting them under a lot of pressure but Dunamaggin just upped a gear and scored the last 2 points.

jeff bingham · 13-10-2017 11:46AM

greenspurs wrote:

Good match in Piltown last night. Minor B Mooncoin V Dunamaggin. The Mags won by 2, and were well worth the victory, probably should have been more. Mooncoin drew level in the 2nd half after putting them under a lot of pressure but Dunamaggin just upped a gear and scored the last 2 points.

Heard this match replayed because Dunna fielded an Underage player and [snipped].

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