Budget 2018 - Mod note in post #1

tayto lover · 10-10-2017 07:11PM

As usual sweet feck all for the working tax payer. The people who keep the country going.

MayoSalmon · 10-10-2017 07:13PM

Tony EH wrote:

I, too, know people who are surviving on social welfare and your little scenario doesn't fit and if it did, the whole bloody country would go on the dole and stay there.

Except they wouldn't because most people take personal responsibility for their lives and want to achieve in life unlike the scoungers.

Galwayguy35 · 10-10-2017 07:23PM

This one from SIPTU was on The Last Word saying there should be no tax cuts for workers, it should be used for services.

But it's all right to give dolers an extra fiver for sitting at home doing nothing, she had no problem with that.

DerryRed · 10-10-2017 07:38PM

Does the €750 increase to the point at which the higher rate of tax kicks in, only apply to single earners? Has the level also been increased for married couples?

lmimmfn · 10-10-2017 07:40PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

This one from SIPTU was on The Last Word saying there should be no tax cuts for workers, it should be used for services.

In fairness, they have plenty of strikes to jack up their members pay and then try for no tax cuts that would benefit everyone but rather ask for the money to be put towards services( i.e .that employ their members ), win win

DerryRed wrote: »

Has the level also been increased for married couples?

no, according to online calculators, looks like singles only.

boardsuser1 · 10-10-2017 07:53PM

lmimmfn wrote: »

In fairness, they have plenty of strikes to jack up their members pay and then try for no tax cuts that would benefit everyone but rather ask for the money to be put towards services( i.e .that employ their members ), win win

no, according to online calculators, looks like singles only.

You get punished in this country for being married, what a difference 50 years makes when it was the reverse.

_Kaiser_ · 10-10-2017 07:57PM

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

You get punished in this country for being married, what a difference 50 years makes when it was the reverse.

Disagree there I'm afraid. Everything in this country is pretty skewed towards married couples.. nothing has changed there.

nlrkjos · 10-10-2017 08:01PM

Every budget I think " maybe next year I'll work at home, in my own country" after every budget i think " feck 'em they don't care about the likes of me, who work for a living".... so another year of three weeks away, three home, paying tax to a country I don't live in because my own just don't give a FCK !!!!

tayto lover · 10-10-2017 08:01PM

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

You get punished in this country for being married, what a difference 50 years makes when it was the reverse.

You get penalised more for working.
Nothing for the middle income taxpayer who pays for everything.
Now what was Varadkar saying a few weeks ago about the working man?

mosii · 10-10-2017 08:04PM

Hi, I thought they were going to implement a new working family payment, what happened to that,anyone

_Kaiser_ · 10-10-2017 08:04PM

tayto lover wrote: »

You get penalised more for working.
Nothing for the middle income taxpayer who pays for everything.
Now what was Varadkar saying a few weeks ago about the working man?

As with everything Vardakar, it sounds good in the media but there's no substance behind it.

Today's budget is an insult to the working man (and woman!).

_Kaiser_ · 10-10-2017 08:09PM

nlrkjos wrote: »

Every budget I think " maybe next year I'll work at home, in my own country" after every budget i think " feck 'em they don't care about the likes of me, who work for a living".... so another year of three weeks away, three home, paying tax to a country I don't live in because my own just don't give a FCK !!!!

Personally if I wasn't tied to this country for family reasons, I'd long since have gone elsewhere.

Not aimed at you specifically, but I don't see the logic of people who give up good lives elsewhere to come home and sit on the dole, or be shafted by our high cost, low value economy over and over again, while those making the decisions are thoroughly insulated from the effects by the "nice little earner" that is the establishment in this country. Only other group to benefit are the ones who pay no tax at all!

By all means come home for holidays (but bring your wallet!) but if someone has gotten out and done well abroad, IMO they'd be mad to come back to live here.

Road-Hog · 10-10-2017 08:12PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Personally if I wasn't tied to this country for family reasons, I'd long since have gone elsewhere.

Not aimed at you specifically, but I don't see the logic of people who give up good lives elsewhere to come home and sit on the dole, or be shafted by our high cost, low value economy over and over again, while those making the decisions are thoroughly insulated from the effects by the "nice little earner" that is the establishment in this country. Only other group to benefit are the ones who pay no tax at all!

By all means come home for holidays (but bring your wallet!) but if someone has gotten out and done well abroad, IMO they'd be mad to come back to live here.

There are loads of 'mad' people so in this country. Those that choose to stay here and those that come from abroad and stay how can so many be so stupid?

_Kaiser_ · 10-10-2017 08:21PM

Road-Hog wrote: »

There are loads of 'mad' people so in this country. Those that choose to stay here and those that come from abroad and stay how can so many be so stupid?

A lot of Irish people barely leave home, never mind the country.

As for other coming in - true.. but only for employment prospects and will go again for the most part when those dry up, or when they realise how little value they get back for their taxes. I have a guy on the team in work who is applying for jobs in the UK and elsewhere because he's sick of seeing so much of his income go on things like rent, the poor public transport, high costs of everything etc. He's not the only one.

I do hate this defensive reaction ye get whenever someone points out that while this country certainly isn't the worst place to live, it's far from the best either!

nlrkjos · 10-10-2017 08:21PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Personally if I wasn't tied to this country for family reasons, I'd long since have gone elsewhere.

Not aimed at you specifically, but I don't see the logic of people who give up good lives elsewhere to come home and sit on the dole, or be shafted by our high cost, low value economy over and over again, while those making the decisions are thoroughly insulated from the effects by the "nice little earner" that is the establishment in this country. Only other group to benefit are the ones who pay no tax at all!

By all means come home for holidays (but bring your wallet!) but if someone has gotten out and done well abroad, IMO they'd be mad to come back to live here.

I live in Ireland,but my job takes me away from home and family. I work bloody hard in a well paid but difficult job (at sea) if I was tax paying in Ireland my take home pay would be halved, still good pay but our standard of living would drop...that I am not prepared to take, for the sake of subsidizing state handouts ( TD's pay and pensions)

Galwayguy35 · 10-10-2017 08:55PM

Prime Time should be interesting later on.

Spanish Eyes · 10-10-2017 09:04PM

Can anyone tell me if a person who is working on below the cut off point for higher tax will be better off than a person on the dole now?

I don't think so. But I am open to correction.

And we have practically reached full employment now too.

Allinall · 10-10-2017 09:04PM

Road-Hog wrote: »

There are loads of 'mad' people so in this country. Those that choose to stay here and those that come from abroad and stay how can so many be so stupid?

Pretty insulting to a huge group of people - me included.

I live, work and socialize in Ireland and
don't consider myself to be stupid in any way.

Jim Bob Scratcher · 10-10-2017 09:17PM

lol at those complaining about the 5 euro increase. If you think the welfare system is so good in this country, why don't you just give up your job and sign on then ? You'll have all the so called freebies that you are cribbing about

MayoSalmon · 10-10-2017 09:26PM

What?! If everybody signs onto the dole who do you think will pay for that? Like if nobody is working how is that funded?!

You see people don't expect the government to fund their entire adult life so they educate themselves and get on with it. Scoungers just make their way up to the post office every week and for some reason that has merited an extra 5 euro a month

Hitman3000 · 10-10-2017 09:27PM

Spanish Eyes wrote:

Can anyone tell me if a person who is working on below the cut off point for higher tax will be better off than a person on the dole now?

Spanish Eyes wrote:

I don't think so. But I am open to correction.

Pack in your job, check in with everyone here in 2 months. I'd say your better off working but that doesn't suit the welfare bashing narrative of boards. So anyway you'll be handing in your notice when exactly?

tayto lover · 10-10-2017 09:28PM

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

lol at those complaining about the 5 euro increase. If you think the welfare system is so good in this country, why don't you just give up your job and sign on then ? You'll have all the so called freebies that you are cribbing about

Then who'll pay for it?

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 10-10-2017 09:33PM

Allinall wrote: »

Pretty insulting to a huge group of people - me included.

I live, work and socialize in Ireland and
don't consider myself to be stupid in any way.

Agreed. Believe it or not I like Ireland, and jesus heaven above I actually like Dublin too. Yeah I wish it was a bit cheaper and you got better value for money ,but the way some posters go on you'd swear that anywhere else would do, and wherever they're living has absolutely no social or economic issues at all.

pilly · 10-10-2017 09:36PM

MayoSalmon wrote:

You see people don't expect the government to fund their entire adult life so they educate themselves and get on with it. Scoungers just make their way up to the post office every week and for some reason that has merited an extra 5 euro a month

A week actually.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 10-10-2017 09:37PM

MayoSalmon wrote: »

What?! If everybody signs onto the dole who do you think will pay for that? Like if nobody is working how is that funded?!

You see people don't expect the government to fund their entire adult life so they educate themselves and get on with it. Scoungers just make their way up to the post office every week and for some reason that has merited an extra 5 euro a month

tayto lover wrote: »

Then who'll pay for it?

We're not far off the 5% unemployment rate of boom times. The extra 5 euro will be mainly going to the pensioners and disabled.

That 5% will always be there or thereabouts. If you count that people will be between jobs, temporarily ill/sick, or any other numerous reasons, you will always have a few percent on the live register. It can never go to 0%.

the_syco · 10-10-2017 09:44PM

How much have smokes gone up, and what is their price now?

Hitman3000 · 10-10-2017 09:46PM

the_syco wrote:

How much have smokes gone up, and what is their price now?

Up 50 cent, 12 euro? average.

BorneTobyWilde · 10-10-2017 09:48PM

What is amount you can earn without paying tax, is that a stupid question?
Does everyone pay USC, or is there a threshold

Jim Bob Scratcher · 10-10-2017 09:54PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Then who'll pay for it?

The working people who decide not to jack in their job for the highly luxurious dole life

Jim Bob Scratcher · 10-10-2017 09:54PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Up 50 cent, 12 euro? average.

Does that include rolling tobacco ?

Budget 2018 - Mod note in post #1

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