The Hazards of Belief

looksee · 15-09-2017 07:21AM

robindch wrote: »

Non-catholics should avoid eating communion at mass as it will imperil the sanctity of your eternal soul. And it might make you sick.

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2017/09/08/why-non-catholics-cannot-receive-holy-communion/

Well, the Catholic Herald's article there seems to suggest that a lot of Catholics would get sick too, just think we could solve the health service's beds crisis so easily!

Samaris · 16-09-2017 10:05AM

Jeez, I avoid it out of respect for the beliefs of others and because I'm not "qualified" to receive it (I doubt a lot of Catholics are either, but anyway), but that article nearly makes me want to accept Communion next time I have to be in a church out of sheer bloody-mindedness.

TheZenMonkey · 16-09-2017 10:13AM

I remember going to church as a kid with my Catholic friend and her family. For some reason they took me up there with them to Communion, and then I'll never forget how the mother *firmly* turned me away as I was about to eat the bread or wafer. I had to ask my mother what that was all about. It seemed odd to go through that little play instead of me just staying in the pew.

I definitely understood the "NOT FOR YOU" at least, but now I wonder if she was concerned for my health as well. She was a wonderful but maybe not worldly woman.

robindch · 17-09-2017 01:40PM

In time, Islam begat Stevens, then Yusuf begat Cat.

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-unlikely-return-of-cat-stevens

robindch · 25-09-2017 02:53PM

The Science Advisory Council of the combined national academies of Europe has issued a politely-worded statement against homeopathy:

https://www.homeowatch.org/policy/easac.pdf

EA SAC wrote:

Scientific mechanisms of action - where we conclude that the claims for homeopathy are implausible and inconsistent with established scientific concepts.

Clinical efficacy - we acknowledge that a placebo effect may appear in individual patients but we agree with previous extensive evaluations concluding that there are no known diseases for which there is robust, reproducible evidence that homeopathy is effective beyond the placebo effect. There are related concerns for patient-informed consent and for safety, the latter associated with poor quality control in preparing homeopathic remedies.

Promotion of homeopathy - we note that this may pose significant harm to the patient if incurring delay in seeking evidence-based medical care and that there is a more general risk of undermining public confidence in the nature and value of scientific evidence. Veterinary practice-we conclude similarly that there is no rigorous evidence to substantiate the use of homeopathy in veterinary medicine and it is particularly worrying when such products are used in preference to evidence-based medicinal products to treat livestock infections.

We make the following recommendations.

1. There should be consistent regulatory requirements to demonstrate efficacy, safety and quality of all products for human and veterinary medicine, to be based on verifiable and objective evidence, commensurate with the nature of the claims being made. In the absence of this evidence, a product should be neither approvable nor registrable by national regulatory agencies for the designation medicinal product.

2. Evidence-based public health systems should not reimburse homeopathic products and practices unless they are demonstrated to be efficacious and safe by rigorous testing.

3. The composition of homeopathic remedies should be labelled in a similar way to other health products available: that is, there should be an accurate, clear and simple description of the ingredients and their amounts present in the formulation.

4. Advertising and marketing of homeopathic products and services must conform to established standards of accuracy and clarity. Promotional claims for efficacy, safety and quality should not be made without demonstrable and reproducible evidence.

Hotblack Desiato · 27-09-2017 11:58PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/catholic-bishop-claims-cervical-cancer-vaccine-only-70-safe-1.3235705

The controversial Gardasil vaccine against cervical cancer is "only 70 per cent safe", a Catholic bishop has suggested.

Bishop Phonsie Cullinan, Bishop of Waterford and Lismore, says parents are being pressurised into agreeing to have the vaccine administered to their daughters. The money spent on it should be diverted to helping young people stay chaste.

Gobshite.

He has also asked why the vaccine is not being given to boys: "Why is this vaccine being 'offered' only to girls? One can add that the male contraceptive has been available for years. Are men using it? Why not? Where is the equality in that?"

Does this guy have the slightest fcuking clue about what he's going on about?

"I believe we know deep down that casual sex is not good because there is no happiness in sin. Sin destroys. It disturbs the soul. All the partying, all the porn, and all the casual sex do not make a person free and at peace. And God know that all of us struggle in this area."

Oh, I don't struggle with sin at all

robindch · 28-09-2017 12:10AM

Phonsie Cullinan wrote:

All the partying, all the porn, and all the casual sex do not make a person free and at peace. And God know that all of us struggle in this area.

I'm sure I was the only person in the country who spat my dinner all over the table reading those last two sentences :rolleyes:

Samaris · 28-09-2017 01:10AM

Even a bishop should humbly accept and confess it when he's struggling with wild parties, porn and casual sex. Sounds like it might be him that needs the help of the chastity-tutors (or however they seek to "encourage young people to stay chaste") rather than the young people he's interfering with the healthcare of.

Can't quite resolve that sentence grammar so to hell with you Latin, I say. (I guess I'm a rebel without a clause.)

Loafing Oaf · 28-09-2017 02:38PM

"I believe we know deep down that casual sex is not good because there is no happiness in sin. Sin destroys. It disturbs the soul. All the partying, all the porn, and all the casual sex do not make a person free and at peace. And God know that all of us struggle in this area."

Fonzie, youy've changed!

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Hotblack Desiato · 29-09-2017 12:16AM

Maybe it was the 'being free and at peace' bit he was struggling with.. or maybe not

WTF is the point of religion though if you still have to 'struggle' with crap like that (And given that it's RC we're talking about, feel guilty about all sorts of crap too) isn't it supposed to be about easy answers to all the hard questions?

Samaris · 29-09-2017 02:21PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Maybe it was the 'being free and at peace' bit he was struggling with.. or maybe not

WTF is the point of religion though if you still have to 'struggle' with crap like that (And given that it's RC we're talking about, feel guilty about all sorts of crap too) isn't it supposed to be about easy answers to all the hard questions?

I see it more as replacing the hardest questions with other hard questions that only the religion can answer. There's still supposed to be difficulty and struggles so people can feel they're getting their money's worth, but it's a powerful thing to be part of the organisation that controls the answers and the feedback on the struggle. People like to be acknowledged when they're doing a difficult task.

Mind you, a lot of them are perfectly sincere and genuine and good people following rules (whether dubious or not) in an attempt to be good people, which is fair enough.

robindch · 30-09-2017 10:21AM

Bishop Phonsie Cullinan doubled down on his HPV comments claiming that the vaccine was "70% safe" and

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/matt-cooper-challenges-bishop-cullinan-on-his-highly-dangerous-views-on-the-hpv-vaccine-36182068.html
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/bishop-renews-attack-on-hpv-vaccine-despite-hse-warning-women-s-lives-in-danger-1.3236982
http://www.thejournal.ie/hov-bishop-factcheck-3620053-Sep2017/

Bishop Phonsie Cullinan wrote:

We're giving 12-year-olds an injection against something that is sexually transmitted. What kind of message is that to give a 12-year-old girl?

With full interview goodness in the Indo link.

mikhail · 02-10-2017 04:12PM

robindch wrote: »

Bishop Phonsie Cullinan wrote:

We're giving 12-year-olds an injection against something that is sexually transmitted. What kind of message is that to give a 12-year-old girl?

I'd love to know what he thinks of giving a small girl a baby doll or a toy pram. All training for another sexual transmission.

(Just reading over that, it's such a weird perspective to me. As is his. And yet he'd deny the similarity all day long.)

robindch · 02-10-2017 09:18PM

Bishop Phonsie Cullinan backs off his HPV comments claiming that the vaccine was "70% safe":

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/bishop-apologises-for-controversial-hpv-vaccine-remarks-1.3240996

Bishop Phonsie Cullinan wrote:

I was not fully informed about the vaccination programme and I can see now how HPV vaccines can contribute greatly to lowering the rate of cervical cancer. As I have learnt, possession of full information is paramount on this vital health issue.

robindch · 02-10-2017 11:56PM

A man starts reading loudly from the bible on a train in London, so like reasonable people, his fellow-passengers flee the train, prontissimo:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-41466140

Samaris · 03-10-2017 09:39AM

robindch wrote: »

A man starts reading loudly from the bible on a train in London, so like reasonable people, his fellow-passengers flee the train, prontissimo:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-41466140

Given the bits he decided to read, can't blame them!

silverharp · 03-10-2017 12:20PM

I think I'd have been chilled unless it was that passage from Pulp Fiction.

kylith · 04-10-2017 12:21PM

robindch wrote: »

Bishop Phonsie Cullinan backs off his HPV comments claiming that the vaccine was "70% safe":

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/bishop-apologises-for-controversial-hpv-vaccine-remarks-1.3240996

Shame he didn't consider the importance of being in possession of all the facts before he started spouting off about health matters.

MrPudding · 05-10-2017 09:47AM

kylith wrote: »

Shame he didn't consider the importance of being in possession of all the facts before he started spouting off about health matters.

He is a high ranking official in a religious organisation. His entire life is based on ignoring and not looking for facts. If facts bothered him he wouldn't be religious.

MrP

Samaris · 05-10-2017 07:03PM

kylith wrote: »

Shame he didn't consider the importance of being in possession of all the facts before he started spouting off about health matters.

Agreed, although I will say that he absolutely admitted he was wrong. Rare enough that.

smacl · 06-10-2017 02:44PM

Catholic Archbishop Says Domestic Violence is “Caused by Women Not Obeying Men”

(Ducks)

MrPudding · 06-10-2017 04:09PM

smacl wrote: »

Catholic Archbishop Says Domestic Violence is “Caused by Women Not Obeying Men”

(Ducks)

I'm sure that is an old story, unless he has done it again.

MrP

smacl · 06-10-2017 04:59PM

MrPudding wrote: »

I'm sure that is an old story, unless he has done it again.

MrP

Could well be, date on the article is 2nd October but that's not to say it isn't someone dragging up old news on a quiet day. I hadn't seen it before myself.

Edit: Looks like it is a copy of an old Mirror article from Jan 2016

silverharp · 10-10-2017 08:46AM

I cant imagine even wanting to transit through Dubai

https://stv.tv/news/west-central/1399453-family-of-man-detained-in-dubai-for-indecency-speak-out/

The parents of a man facing a three-year jail sentence in Dubai for touching another man's hip at a bar have spoken out about their ordeal.

Jamie Harron's mother Patricia has told of being unable to sleep due to being "up all night worrying".

Mr Harron, 27, from Stirling, claims he only touched the man in the bar three months ago so they did not "bump and spill drinks".

According to campaign group Detained in Dubai, Mr Harron had expected to be arrested at a hearing on Sunday for failing to appear at a previous court date, which the group claimed was moved without notification.

However, the electrician was not arrested but was told to remain in the city for future court hearings.

The ordeal has left him stuck in the emirate for three months facing jail, jobless and in huge amounts of debt.

Mr Harron's father Graham says his son has "never been a problem" and before this was "never in trouble".

oscarBravo · 10-10-2017 10:28AM

I've spent a week there, and two of my sisters lived there for three years. It's actually an OK place, but you do need to be mindful of... cultural sensitivities.

silverharp · 10-10-2017 10:30AM

oscarBravo wrote: »

I've spent a week there, and two of my sisters lived there for three years. It's actually an OK place, but you do need to be mindful of... cultural sensitivities.

or not getting raped ......

oscarBravo · 10-10-2017 10:43AM

silverharp wrote: »

or not getting raped ......

Well, yes. Being mindful of not getting raped is sadly part and parcel of a woman's life, wherever she happens to be.

silverharp · 10-10-2017 10:45AM

oscarBravo wrote: »

Well, yes. Being mindful of not getting raped is sadly part and parcel of a woman's life, wherever she happens to be.

I meant a woman cant report a rape without being done for adultery, Happened to an British woman a couple of years back

oscarBravo · 10-10-2017 10:51AM

silverharp wrote: »

I meant a woman cant report a rape without being done for adultery, Happened to an British woman a couple of years back

Reporting a rape isn't exactly a bed of roses over here either, but sure: it's a lot worse there.

I still felt a lot safer walking along Sheikh Zayed Highway late at night than I ever have on O'Connell Street during the day.

recedite · 10-10-2017 11:18AM

oscarBravo wrote: »

Reporting a rape isn't exactly a bed of roses over here either, but sure: it's a lot worse there.

I still felt a lot safer walking along Sheikh Zayed Highway late at night than I ever have on O'Connell Street during the day.

Hmmm... so if you are straight and male, you have nothing to fear.

The Hazards of Belief

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