1 in 4 social houses refused. Homeless crisis on arse.

dublinman1990 · 09-10-2017 01:44AM

There is a certain cohort of people who do screw the system. But there are certain people in this country out on the streets who do need to receive genuine help from society to help them out of hard times. Those people who screw the system particularly in social housing do a great deal of disservice to society to allow them reject properties at their own will. There needs to be a strict limit to their consumption of allocated social housing if they are knowingly chancing their arm off the state. Leo did say that before becoming Taoiseach that he acknowledged that there was an entitlement culture in Ireland although it was a very small minority who are like that.

I think each LA around the country should limit the viewing of social housing to people, who receive multiple benefit payments off the state & who have a long history of living previous accommodation from them, to 2 viewings per claimant irregardless of their own financial means. If people, who are viewing these houses & lived in a previous housing allocation from a LA & get rejected off the system & stay where they are as normal. On the other hand; if these certain people agree to moving to another property, they are only allowed to agree by moving to the new social housing unit on a one time basis. Once they move of their previous property, they do it once and once the moving process happens, it's will become permanent & they stay in their new social housing unit for life up until they cannot pay their rents.

If homeless people are viewing a house for the 1st home can allow themselves unlimited viewings to find themselves a home. Homeless charities can continue working with the LA's to decide on what property is suitable for their homeless clients. I am not sure what happens afterwards because if people who were homeless want to stay in their chosen property; they should be entitled to an automatic temporary payment from the state via the community welfare officer until they make a claim for a payment from their social welfare office.

Snotty · 09-10-2017 02:04AM

The majority of true homeless people do not need homes, they need support and services, if for some miraculous reason 5000 new houses were built and every single homeless person was placed in one, do you really think none of them would be back on the streets, probably within days.

uck51js9zml2yt · 09-10-2017 02:37AM

alan1963 wrote: »

Wouldn't this save most welfare claimants a walk?

Do you generalise much or are you just being a "insert word here"

RobbingBandit · 09-10-2017 11:02AM

Tigger wrote: »

were you sleepng on the streets ?

No as I had money that was due to pay for a laptop for university which I used to pay for a hotel for the first few nights and a room in the accommodation in my university was then paid for with my disability payment and my college grant money, sleeping rough wasn't really an option due to my health issues, I paid every cent myself aside from a once off award of emergency funds given by my university. Why do you ask?

Gatling · 09-10-2017 11:09AM

RobbingBandit wrote: »

No as I had money that was due to pay for a laptop for university which I used to pay for a hotel for the first few nights and a room in the accommodation in my university was then paid for with my disability payment and my college grant money, sleeping rough wasn't really an option due to my health issues, I paid every cent myself aside from a once off award of emergency funds given by my university. Why do you ask?

So essentially you weren't actually homeless per say

suicide_circus · 09-10-2017 11:31AM

There is certainly a housing supply and affordability crisis in Dublin.

There are also a large number of organisations who are profiting from this situation; banks, vulture funds, investment firms, property portfolios and lest we forget, homeless charities.

RobbingBandit · 09-10-2017 11:33AM

Gatling wrote: »

So essentially you weren't actually homeless per say

Yes I was homeless for 8 months do you want me to link to the posts on here, Spanish Inquesitiin all of a sudden.

suicide_circus · 09-10-2017 11:35AM

Come to yhink of it, most people under 40 are probably 2 months from homelessness at any given moment.

For Forks Sake · 09-10-2017 11:36AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Come to yhink of it, most people under 40 are probably 2 months from homelessness at any given moment.

Go on...

Wheeliebin30 · 09-10-2017 11:37AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Come to yhink of it, most people under 40 are probably 2 months from homelessness at any given moment.

So is most of the world.

Sure if we go on technical terms used here 80% of Germans are homeless seems they rent.

tomwaterford · 09-10-2017 11:40AM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

So is most of the world.

Sure if we go on technical terms used here 80% of Germans are homeless seems they rent.

There's more people homeless in ireland now,than at any stage since the famine?

A fcuking third world country would be ashamed of this fact...not bladdering on about people renting in germany

suicide_circus · 09-10-2017 11:40AM

That's my point

suicide_circus · 09-10-2017 11:41AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

A fcuking third world country would be ashamed of this fact...not bladdering on about people renting in germany

Any third world country would be over the moon if they hadour problems

Wanderer78 · 09-10-2017 11:42AM

The creation of a rentier class, that 'll end well!

Gatling · 09-10-2017 11:43AM

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Yes I was homeless for 8 months do you want me to link to the posts on here, Spanish Inquesitiin all of a sudden.

You put it out there ,

Not sure where your getting the Spanish inquision from

tomwaterford · 09-10-2017 11:45AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Any third world country would be over the moon if they hadour problems

More people homeless than when we were at our poorest? ?

No matter how poor ireland was,it could build and provide social housing....what's the point in developing an econmy if socially were going backwards

If we get a cold winter,how many people will die....this is nearly the 3rd bad year of a bad homeless crisis and still looks to me to be fcuk all being done abut it annd it's only getting worse

Dravokivich · 09-10-2017 11:48AM

Gatling wrote: »

Should be removed from the lists and blocked from accessing hap and other rent supplements ,

Even people in hotels and b&bs are turning down social housing it's beyond a joke at this point

You are removed from the list when renting on hap.

Wheeliebin30 · 09-10-2017 11:52AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

There's more people homeless in ireland now,than at any stage since the famine?

A fcuking third world country would be ashamed of this fact...not bladdering on about people renting in germany

Actually we have one of the lowest homeless numbers in Europe.

Germany has 230,000.

Sweden has 34,000.

So no I don't think a 3rd world country would be ashamed of this fact.

Slight exaggeration there.

boardsuser1 · 09-10-2017 11:55AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

More people homeless than when we were at our poorest? ?

No matter how poor ireland was,it could build and provide social housing....what's the point in developing an econmy if socially were going backwards

If we get a cold winter,how many people will die....this is nearly the 3rd bad year of a bad homeless crisis and still looks to me to be fcuk all being done abut it annd it's only getting worse

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Actually we have one of the lowest homeless numbers in Europe.

Germany has 230,000.

Sweden has 34,000.

So no I don't think a 3rd world country would be ashamed of this fact.

Slight exaggeration there.

The Population of Ireland is less than all the above mentioned Tom.

Wheelie has a point in what he is saying.

Gatling · 09-10-2017 11:56AM

Dravokivich wrote: »

You are removed from the list when renting on hap.

No you can actually stay on the list and many do

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 09-10-2017 12:01PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

More people homeless than when we were at our poorest? ?

No matter how poor ireland was,it could build and provide social housing....what's the point in developing an econmy if socially were going backwards

If we get a cold winter,how many people will die....this is nearly the 3rd bad year of a bad homeless crisis and still looks to me to be fcuk all being done abut it annd it's only getting worse

We've had years and years of women having babies leaving school to get a house, we've have generations of people expecting a house because their mam had one and their siblings have one. For a very long time there has been no incentive in this country to stand on your own two feet. We're just out of a harsh recession where people who went out to work were being rode for taxes to keep the rest of the country afloat. The working population had to make huge sacrifices and even throughout the arse falling out of the economy we still had one of the most lucrative social welfare schemes in the country. When the government are expected to pay fuel allowances, maternity grants, back to school grants, FIS, Christmas bonuses etc and you have a certain type of person refusing to pay any rates or charges to maintain local areas or water charges, when they expect the government to put nightdresses and sanitary pads in a hospital bag, something had to give and it was the construction of social housing.

How many 3 bed houses were given out to families 20+ years ago? Kids are grown up, in their own council houses now, and mammy still has her 3 bed family home as she's living there alone. The giving of a social house and leaving people there forever is a joke. There's no way one person should be left rattling around a 3 bed house when there's kids being reared in hotel rooms.

Now the fact that there's no money to house these people mean the government has pushed the responsibility to the private landlords, forcing them and making it illegal for them to refuse to accept rent allowance/HAP on the property they own, therefore driving up the rent crazy high on everybody else.

ChikiChiki · 09-10-2017 12:03PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Actually we have one of the lowest homeless numbers in Europe.

Germany has 230,000.

Sweden has 34,000.

So no I don't think a 3rd world country would be ashamed of this fact.

Slight exaggeration there.

Facepalm on this point. Germany has a population of over 80m.

Sweden nearly 10m.

For Forks Sake · 09-10-2017 12:05PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Actually we have one of the lowest homeless numbers in Europe.

Germany has 230,000.

Sweden has 34,000.

So no I don't think a 3rd world country would be ashamed of this fact.

Slight exaggeration there.

And in a more local context, in Northern Ireland, population 1.8m has about 15000 homeless people, and 53 deaths in 2016 alone.

RoI population 4.8m has 8270 listed as homeless

PeterParker957 · 09-10-2017 12:06PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

We've had years and years of women having babies leaving school to get a house, we've have generations of people expecting a house because their mam had one and their siblings have one. For a very long time there has been no incentive in this country to stand on your own two feet. We're just out of a harsh recession where people who went out to work were being rode for taxes to keep the rest of the country afloat. The working population had to make huge sacrifices and even throughout the arse falling out of the economy we still had one of the most lucrative social welfare schemes in the country. When the government are expected to pay fuel allowances, maternity grants, back to school grants, FIS, Christmas bonuses etc and you have a certain type of person refusing to pay any rates or charges to maintain local areas or water charges, when they expect the government to put nightdresses and sanitary pads in a hospital bag, something had to give and it was the construction of social housing.

How many 3 bed houses were given out to families 20+ years ago? Kids are grown up, in their own council houses now, and mammy still has her 3 bed family home as she's living there alone. The giving of a social house and leaving people there forever is a joke. There's no way one person should be left rattling around a 3 bed house when there's kids being reared in hotel rooms.

Now the fact that there's no money to house these people mean the government has pushed the responsibility to the private landlords, forcing them and making it illegal for them to refuse to accept rent allowance/HAP on the property they own, therefore driving up the rent crazy high on everybody else.

You have my vote!

PeterParker957 · 09-10-2017 12:07PM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

And in a more local context, in Northern Ireland, population 1.8m has about 15000 homeless people, and 53 deaths in 2016 alone.

RoI population 4.8m has 8270 listed as homeless

Listed yes. Actually "homeless", God no.

I'd like to ask the alleged homeless mammys - how many of the children were conceived AFTER they became homeless. Interesting to find that out.

09-10-2017 12:09PM

RobbingBandit wrote: »

No as I had money that was due to pay for a laptop for university which I used to pay for a hotel for the first few nights and a room in the accommodation in my university was then paid for with my disability payment and my college grant money, sleeping rough wasn't really an option due to my health issues, I paid every cent myself aside from a once off award of emergency funds given by my university. Why do you ask?

Forgive me if I’ve missed a post but I’m confused.

How can you define yourself as homeless based on the above?

Ursus Horribilis · 09-10-2017 12:11PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

How many 3 bed houses were given out to families 20+ years ago? Kids are grown up, in their own council houses now, and mammy still has her 3 bed family home as she's living there alone. The giving of a social house and leaving people there forever is a joke. There's no way one person should be left rattling around a 3 bed house when there's kids being reared in hotel rooms.
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They'd have been paying rent on these, surely? And in some cases, have bought them out.

I grew up in a town where there were a lot of council houses. A lot of the kids in my class were from the council estates and had parents working in modest jobs. Even if their parents haven't bought their houses out at this stage I wouldn't like to throw them out on their ear just because their children have grown and flown. They're living in communities and are settled. Where would you put them? It still comes back to the original issue. We need more social housing and forever homes for people who aren't ever going to earn enough to buy their own homes on the open market.

For Forks Sake · 09-10-2017 12:12PM

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Listed yes. Actually "homeless", God no.

I'd like to ask the alleged homeless mammys - how many of the children were conceived AFTER they became homeless. Interesting to find that out.

Trying to get national data on rough sleepers is understandably difficult, dublin was 161 earlier this year.

PeterParker957 · 09-10-2017 12:13PM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Trying to get national data on rough sleepers is understandably difficult, dublin was 161 earlier this year.

I'd say easily more - I have a 25 minute walk to work from the train and pass a dozen easily.

They're homeless and in need of help.

Edel thing from the other week and that Erica wagon - not so much.

VinLieger · 09-10-2017 12:14PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Facepalm on this point. Germany has a population of over 80m.

Sweden nearly 10m.

Facepalm for you methinks, as a percantage of population we still have less homeless people at 0.0018% than Germany at 0.0028%and sweden at 0.0034%

1 in 4 social houses refused. Homeless crisis on arse.

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