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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #8402
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    The Cush wrote: »
    Around my area they simply dug a trench, dropped in the 20/16, no rope. In one particular section they ended up not using the duct at all, simply ran the cable from one pole to the next bypassing the duct, probably due to the fact the hedging had been cut after the duct was installed which cleared the path for the aerial cable.

    It's strange the different standards in work depending on which crew is involved. If you go to the trouble of digging a trench at least put some larger ducting in for the future.
    The new open-eir document posted above doesn't mention standard or heavy gauge hydrodare, if I was going this route I'd opt for the heavy gauge for that very reason, the danger of it being crushed by potentially heavy traffic above.

    I think this is the best advice for anyone considering doing it themselves.


  • #8403
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    It's strange the different standards in work depending on which crew is involved. If you go to the trouble of digging a trench at least put some larger ducting in for the future.
    Around my rural area I don't we'll ever require larger ducting, the new fibre cabling will suffice for many years into the future.


  • #8404
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Schorpio wrote: »
    Forgive my ignorance, but being on the National Broadband Plan, I presume I can't do/receive anything fibre related at the moment and just have to play the waiting game?

    Yes, waiting game I'm afraid. There's a thread on the NBP in this forum.

    Final two tenders in for the two contracts were submitted last week.
    After this stage of assessment the two companies are expected to submit their final proposals early next year with the contracts to be awarded after that.


  • #8405
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    I_HAVE_NO_NAME wrote: »
    I hate to reignite the FUP chat on this thread but I just got off the phone with a man from Regional Broadband after seeing an advert earlier today. Their website says 'No hidden charges, Unlimited Broadband'. The assistant on the other end of the phone when asked bluntly "do they enforce a FUP of any sort like the other ISP's?" said 'No we most certainly do not. We understand that if you are receiving speeds of 1000Mb/s then you could theoretically reach your cap in under a day of use. We provide fully unlimited service.'

    http://imageshack.com/a/img923/5769/MCtPCK.jpg

    Like Net1, Regional Broadband say they can provide Fibre to the Home Nationwide without a limited FUP
    Residential Broadband

    Our Residential Broadband options include Wireless Plus with speeds up to 70 Mb and Regional Fibre, offering speeds up to 1000Mb (1Gb). Our coverage area for Wireless Plus includes Carlow, Wexford, Wicklow, Kildare, Waterford and Dublin. Our Fibre Offering is available nationwide.

    https://www.regionalbroadband.ie/residential-broadband/

    So we have 3 companies without an FUP limit for FTTH, the third being Westnet but they don't offer a nationwide service that I know of.


  • #8406
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    Who are the three unlimited? Westnet, regional bb,??

    Regional bb I'll have to check out


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  • #8407
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    Who are the three unlimited? Westnet, regional bb,??

    Regional bb I'll have to check out

    Net1


  • #8408
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    The Cush wrote: »
    Net1

    Ooh yes I knew that but forgot, I'll have to weigh them up against regional thanks


  • #8409
    Gipo3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Gipo3


    What happens if monitored alarm on existing phone line?


  • #8410
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    Gipo3 wrote: »
    What happens if monitored alarm on existing phone line?
    That would use the copper line not sure they can use the FIbre line.


  • #8411
    addict
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 ✭addict


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Nope. The ONT is open eir's, it has nothing to do with the retail provider.

    Then explain why they had to change mine ????


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  • #8412
    addict
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 ✭addict


    Pangea wrote: »
    So can anyone on ftth change to digiweb? I'm in Donegal and haven't heard of them here. Also if I switch would that mean I would lose my telephone number?

    Yes anyone in Donegal can change to Digiweb


  • #8413
    addict
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 ✭addict


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    KN are the installation contractors. They install the ONT for open eir.

    A retail operator (like Digiweb) places an order with open eir, who subcontract the actual installation to KN. KN run the fibre to the house and install the ONT. The customer plugs the Digiweb router into the ONT and gets service.

    If the customer switches to another retail operator, open eir will make the configuration changes required to connect the ONT to the new operator's network. The ONT doesn't change, just the router.

    ONT does be changed when provider changes


  • #8414
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    Gipo3 wrote: »
    What happens if monitored alarm on existing phone line?

    tell them when they are signing you up and they will keep your copper line


  • #8415
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    addict wrote: »
    Then explain why they had to change mine ????

    Can't see the reason why, faulty unit/upgraded model? It's the open-eir demarcation point on the line and pairs with the OLT in the exchange. All the open-eir docs refer to it as such, including the €270 wholesale installation charge and at the moment is paid for by the first retailer to use it at initial install.

    Who actually changed the ONT, digiweb crew or KN crew?
    What's the make/model no.?
    Is there any digiweb branding on it?


  • #8416
    addict
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 ✭addict


    The Cush wrote: »
    Can't see the reason why, faulty unit/upgraded model? It's the open-eir demarcation point on the line and pairs with the OLT in the exchange. All the open-eir docs refer to it as such, including the €270 wholesale installation charge and at the moment is paid for by the first retailer to use it at initial install.

    Who actually changed the ONT, digiweb crew or KN crew?
    What's the make/model no.?
    Is there any digiweb branding on it?

    KN man replaced it with same model of box and I have the old Eir ONT one ,as he said software is locked and can’t be reprogrammed , I said to him that that is crazy this day n age and he agreed but said that’s how they have to connect a new supplier


  • #8417
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,850 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    addict wrote: »
    Then explain why they had to change mine ????
    addict wrote: »
    ONT does be changed when provider changes
    addict wrote: »
    KN man replaced it with same model of box and I have the old Eir ONT one ,as he said software is locked and can’t be reprogrammed , I said to him that that is crazy this day n age and he agreed but said that’s how they have to connect a new supplier

    That's not how it's supposed to work. It doesn't matter that the ONT can't be reprogrammed; it doesn't have to be reprogrammed. The port between retailers happens in the exchange, and shouldn't even require an engineer visit.

    I don't know why your ONT was replaced, but standard procedure is to leave the ONT in situ.


  • #8418
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    I_HAVE_NO_NAME wrote: »
    That being said from what i can see on the openeir site, they're not yet listed as a FTTH reseller.

    The fiberrollout site is out for several resellers. Some not listed at all, some listed as FTTC only, even though they sell FTTH. I wouldn't take it for granted.

    /M


  • #8419
    addict
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 ✭addict


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    That's not how it's supposed to work. It doesn't matter that the ONT can't be reprogrammed; it doesn't have to be reprogrammed. The port between retailers happens in the exchange, and shouldn't even require an engineer visit.

    I don't know why your ONT was replaced, but standard procedure is to leave the ONT in situ.

    You are all learned men here and know more than the KN boys so you need to send a email and tell them about now having to replace the ONT as they just replaced TWO more ONT boxes of people that I know that changed providers ( what a waste of the KN men’s time when they don’t know anything about how to do there work that they have trained to do )


  • #8420
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    There are a few insiders that post here occasionally, maybe they could confirm the reason for changing the ONT.


  • #8421
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    The Cush wrote: »
    There are a few insiders that post here occasionally, maybe they could confirm the reason for changing the ONT.

    The only thing that comes to mind is UG doesnt have an order type for transferring an existing install yet. So instead transfers are done by a cancellation and re-install.


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  • #8422
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    ED E wrote: »
    The only thing that comes to mind is UG doesnt have an order type for transferring an existing install yet. So instead transfers are done by a cancellation and re-install.

    And another €270 ONT install fee?


  • #8423
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,850 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    ED E wrote: »
    The only thing that comes to mind is UG doesnt have an order type for transferring an existing install yet.

    It does. PNO with line type FTTH.


  • #8424
    Jpmarn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭Jpmarn


    Got installed this morning by a KN technician who came up from West Clare. In my previous posts I was stating that my network center is under the stairs off the hallway. He ran the drop cable over to an extra pole to aim into the back of my house. My house is built at a 90 degree angle to the road with the original part built in the 1930s. The Fibre was terminated just inside the inner kitchen which is in a 1960s extension. He ran an Ethernet cable to the location under the stairs where a new Eir 2000 is in place of my Netgear N600 router. The IPad only managed 50mbits connected to the Eir 2000 at 5ghz wifi. Set up my netgear router in my study where I have a big desktop PC. My smartphone managed almost 130 mb at 5 Ghz from the Netgear router. The technician advised to use the 5ghz but a lot of wifi devices use only 2.4 ghz. I live on n the Inch St Lawernce Limerick exchange area where my run became live last Wednesday. The technician installed a neighbour a half mile up road after me. Probably I have the first connection on the road.


  • #8425
    Jpmarn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭Jpmarn


    The multicore Fibre cable went up on a Saturday in July.
    The splice boxes went up near me on a another Saturday in August.
    I got connected to ftth today, a Saturday.


  • #8426
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Jpmarn wrote: »
    The multicore Fibre cable went up on a Saturday in July.
    The splice boxes went up near me on a another Saturday in August.
    I got connected to ftth today, a Saturday.

    A lot of weekend work involved in this rollout, there was a crew in my area, Murroe, last Sunday working on splice boxes. Good luck with your new connection.


  • #8427
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    My sister got FTTH there this Saturday they had big problem trying to get it in because of Eir saying it wasn't available.They were talking to a guy that work for knn he was saying that it was available and to keep asking Eir they decided to ring them up again because there was a box outside there house were the fibre is there semi rural in a small village in a estate.

    They said the same thing it unavailable so they rang digiweb which said yea it available and install it on Saturday digiweb said they don't monitor the download limit and if they do decide to they would just throttle you.

    This might explain why take up of FTTH low people being told it unavailable when in fact it is available.


  • #8428
    Jpmarn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭Jpmarn


    According to my observation the take up of ftth is quite good. I am seeing connections going into at least 1/3 oh houses near me. My observation is based on seeing 2 drop lines going into individual houses. Also seeing drop cables coming out of splice boxes. It is easy to confuse the copper and fibre drop cables but the fiber is a bit thinner than the copper.


  • #8429
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Jpmarn wrote: »
    According to my observation the take up of ftth is quite good. I am seeing connections going into at least 1/3 oh houses near me. My observation is based on seeing 2 drop lines going into individual houses. Also seeing drop cables coming out of splice boxes. It is easy to confuse the copper and fibre drop cables but the fiber is a bit thinner than the copper.

    same in my area, plenty of connections already made around me with 2 wires going to many of the homes, 1 being the thicker copper and the other being the thinner fibre. Half the homes on my road alone are connected. I know of 2 homes where the owners are still on ADSL, the owners are in their 70s and don't want to pay any extra for FTTH and are waiting for Vodafone to eventually offer FTTH in the area as neither homes want anything to do with Eir.


  • #8430
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gonzo wrote: »
    same in my area, plenty of connections already made around me with 2 wires going to many of the homes, 1 being the thicker copper and the other being the thinner fibre. Half the homes on my road alone are connected. I know of 2 homes where the owners are still on ADSL, the owners are in their 70s and don't want to pay any extra for FTTH and are waiting for Vodafone to eventually offer FTTH in the area as neither homes want anything to do with Eir.
    I would imagine that the ADSL is "flying" for them as almost everyone else has moved to fibre, their contention ratio is probably 2:1, rather than about 40:1 like in the pre-fibre days.


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  • #8431
    banjopeter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭banjopeter


    rob808 wrote: »
    My sister got FTTH there this Saturday they had big problem trying to get it in because of Eir saying it wasn't available.They were talking to a guy that work for knn he was saying that it was available and to keep asking Eir they decided to ring them up again because there was a box outside there house were the fibre is there semi rural in a small village in a estate.

    They said the same thing it unavailable so they rang digiweb which said yea it available and install it on Saturday digiweb said they don't monitor the download limit and if they do decide to they would just throttle you.

    This might explain why take up of FTTH low people being told it unavailable when in fact it is available.
    I signed up for FTTH with Eir on 5th May. Long story of endless phone calls, months of false promises and frustration. Last Monday I was told it would be 5th December. Reason given was work need to be done " ducting etc" I know full well there is no work to be done. I was the first to apply in my area, yet all my neighbours are already connected (although with much frustration).
    Rang Digiweb straight away, accepting I would have to pay €200 connection fee. Router was delivered by courier on Friday, KN crew came out and connected me on Saturday. I now have FTTH.
    Digiweb were so much better to deal with, and don't have the same levels of bureaucracy as Eir.
    Digiweb delivered in one week, €55 per month, 12 month contract.
    Will post the obligatory speed test shots later...


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