Street Performer loses an Eye in attack

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Appalling. Violence isn't the answer.

Violence isn't the answer to the overall problem, I agree.

However, when someone attacks a random person on the street 'for the lulz', then a bit of retaliatory violence can go along way in teaching the scrotes not to do it again.

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Appalling. Violence isn't the answer.

If someone tries to assault someone or throws a bottle at someone then I have little sympathy for them if the the tables are turned. Perhaps using the bottle was a bit extreme but the person who threw the bottle initially had it coming.

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Do Gardaí in Dublin realise how serious loutish and anti social behavior effects the image and view people have of Irelands Capital city. It doesn't seem to be treated as serious as it should be. You need to clamp down very hard on this crime and rid the streets of these nasty people. Nobody wants to see or hear anything about this, especially tourists, it's bloody ridiculous every day of the week.

What are the Gardai supposed to do about it? They put in the work, they arrest these f*ckers, they collect evidence, send them to trial, and the judge lets them go. Blaming the cops is unfair in the Irish context, it's the judicial system that has a problem.

Keaton Jealous Pinto wrote: »

What is it about threads like this that brings out hoards of people that are petrified of Dublin city centre? Is that the consensus?

I get that it could be cleaner, and there are a lot of homeless/drug addicts/drunks around. I've lived here years (various areas,north side now) and would not bat an eyelid being in the city centre day or night. And I'm hardly what anyone would call a hard man.

Is this just a vocal minority/online amplification or are people generally scared of their own shíte about being in the city centre?

I've never been started on in Dublin City either and yet I'm in full agreement with those posters, because I've seen it happen to other people. Homeless, drug addicts and drunks as you've mentioned are not the problem - the majority of them actually just keep to themselves and don't bother people. It's the antisocial gobsh!tes who think it's fun to get in peoples' faces and threaten them or worse, and it's those gobsh!tes who aren't being sent to jail where they belong.

I've only seen a genuine scrap involving a f*ck load of these assholes once, when I got lost on the way home from a session and wandered accidentally into a fairly notorious spot near the Guinness Storehouse - but the question remains all these years later, why wasn't every single one of the assholes I saw setting fire to things and throwing them at eachother and at peoples' property not in jail? We need an absolute zero tolerance policy to this crap. Lock them up and let everyone else enjoy their lives in peace, it's just that simple.

EDIT: Another example - those two German students who got stabbed in Herberton a few years ago. The road beside it, St Anthony's, is notorious among Dubliners but as one news article pointed out, "nobody would have warned these tourists of the dangers awaiting them just outside the door of their well advertised apartment" - the problem I have is, why do we allow areas to get a reputation? They wouldn't get a reputation to begin with if every single person ever caught engaging in violence was locked up where they couldn't engage in any more violence.

T-Maxx wrote: »

They need to be put down. Anything else would be a waste of time and money.

Nah. Just shoot the first, and word will spread...

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I understand and I would never blame the Gardaí for most 'bad' stuff... I do think they are not tough enough on the very visible bad lads around the City centre, and I also do think there is too much paper work involved.... <<That said, I think they should be given more powers to just get these louts home and away from the City centre, as for dangerous/no go areas in the City Centre! Well there is absolutely no excuse for such places to exist, whether it's a main shopping bar/restaurant area or a wee laneway or alleyway NO EXCUSE AT-ALL.

Again though what can they do? Just keep arresting these people temporarily until they can be brought before a judge and told they're free to go because they have good enough sob stories, only to be back at it again the following afternoon?

I can't imagine how demoralising it must be to be a hard working cop who consistently sees the judiciary literally tearing up that hard work and tossing it in the bin by consistently letting these people go after the Gardai do the work of catching them, preparing evidence, building a case, and successfully obtaining a guilty verdict. After a while, you're surely going to question what the point is in doing your job well when the people at the next stage make it totally worthless by taking no action.

siblers wrote: »

If it resulted in her never throwing a bottle again, then it was the answer. Sometimes being on the receiving end of what you have been giving out is the best answer

+ 1

I think its called the Bully getting owned and instant Karma

The Irish scum bag has rights you know LOL ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALw17Dm6uUE

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

In a country where scrotes can rack up over 9,000 previous convictions and still not get punished for it, what do you suggest people do to deter this kind of crap?

Start a thread on boards

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh very true. One could think of many revenge fantasies that would achieve that in the world of "two very violent wrongs make a right".

I just disagree with the idea that "they'll never do it again" of itself vindicates the act of revenge.

Part of the reason we have a criminal justice system is so that the victims of crime can feel that they have had justice served for the wrongs committed against them, so when that system breaks down, it's inevitable that people will seek justice in their own way.

I don't know how far back in Irish history the scourge of suspended sentences for violent crime goes, but I know that I've been reading truly astonishing cases (previous convictions in the double digits and still getting no time for savagely beating somebody or worse) since at least the mid-2000s. You'd think the system would have got its act together since then, but it hasn't - and as a result, Dublin City continues to be a place in which scumbags act with the accurate assumption that nothing of note will befall them if the Gardai do manage to catch them.

Does anyone know if this issue is unique to Dublin - do Dublin's district and circuit courts just have a batch of particularly inept judges at the current time, or is total impunity a nationwide issue?

Deleted User wrote: »

It wasn't self defence. The incident had passed, the bottle was thrown, the poster did not say there was an ongoing assault. In fact he said she had to run to the girl, they were not even in very close proximity. It was getting her back, which is very different.

And to break a bottle over someone's head is indeed appalling. Which is, obviously, not to excuse what the victim of that assault had done.

Seriously? So what is it you suggest this woman should have done after this scumbag threw a bottle at her, presumably to cause serious injury? Walk away and count yourself lucky that you didn't end up in hospital? By picking up a bottle and throwing at a stranger you have just committed a serious assault, as we already know from experience the guards will do nothing in a case like this, unless they witness it, and even then its questionable. The victim in question was dead right, the only language these people understand is violence, fight fire with fire, they laugh at civilised society with our rules that protect them over the real victims.

It is attitudes like yours that are the root of the problem, and allow these scumbags carrying out viscous assaults with impunity.