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Why are we not collecting Apple tax money?

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  • #62
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    arayess wrote: »
    i like these multinationals as much as the next man but maybe Ireland should develop a strategy to be less reliant on them.,..

    Eh such as?


  • #63
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    May as well take the money, and smelt it into distributed gold or silver coinage for citizens to stash away for a rainy day.
    As it won't be long now before EU Corp Tax Harmonisation s fully implemented, rates circa 20-25%? (up to double current).

    From 2020, the UK's ever shrinking 17% corp rate will be more appetising to the multi-nationals,
    then (aside from an over-educated workforce), the only USP will be wet, windy weather and green fields.


  • #64
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Eh such as?

    Couple of ideas:

    i) Proper preparation for the emerging 4th Industrial Revolution.
    ii) Better use of one of the largest territories in Europe (note: 90% of it is underwater).


  • #65
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    eeguy wrote: »
    Explain the rationale behind that statement, because I feel very oppressed picking up my huge wage packet each fortnight :rolleyes:

    Just another entity for Irish people to blame for their problems, also throw in some generic left wing anti corporation nonsense.
    Fintan O'Toole had a bloody article saying how Ireland whored itself to Disney by allowing Star Wars to film in Skellig Michael, despite it having a positive impact on tourism. Another thing they'd whinge about would be the government not doing enough the build the tourism industry.


  • #66
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Eh such as?

    Property, be smart and ballsy. What could go wrong?


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  • #67
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    It's a dog eat dog world.

    You gotta do what you have to to get by.

    If we don't do it some other country will.

    It's one of our finer achievements in our history.


  • #68
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    It's a dog eat dog world.
    You gotta do what you have to to get by.
    If we don't do it some other country will.
    It's one of our finer achievements in our history.

    True, but the real question is how much longer will the red light be left on for, and if when it does go out, what next i.e. what's the plan?

    Also would it be a good time to 'cash out' now or in the near future, stack up those poker chips and make one's way to the cashiers desk while the going's good...


  • #69
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    eeguy wrote: »
    Off to Eastern Europe maybe? There's a lot of pharma and medical manufacturing in Ireland that could probably be sent to Croatia or other lower wage countries
    Germany and France could take a lot of R&D from Ireland and they have the universities to support it too. If you're looking for English speaking, then Germans, French and Scandinavians have that covered.
    We like to think the Irish are somehow special, but we're the same, if not worse than a lot of other countries.
    But if that was the case the companies could have just asked some other country for a special tax deal and moved already


  • #70
    lazybones32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    eeguy wrote: »
    There's no evidence that Apple don't pay their tax bill to Ireland. TheJournal did a fact check last year and could neither prove nor disprove that claim. Neither Apple nor Revenue have to make the actual figures public but Revenue is the only government dept that seems to actually work, so I'd trust them when they say the tax paid was correct

    But you're right that they're only here for our low CT. But sure is that such a bad thing. Better that Apple are here than elsewhere.
    If Apple or the other corp. were paying their taxes, why in the fuq are the EU trying to pressurise Ireland to claim taxes off them?

    The IT, in 2014, showed that Apple paid 36 million on 7.11 billion, so don't play the 'we've no evidence!' card and expect it to stand. What % of 7,110,000,000 is 36,000,000? I'd love to have that tax rate...

    But shur, aren't they givin us jobs so i spose that makes criminal behaviour okay.


  • #71
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,757 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    jobr wrote: »
    Because they technically did nothing wrong, so if we were to suddenly start demanding money from them, it would have to be the same for every other large multinational hq'd in Ireland and suddenly there would be nobody left here to provide jobs...

    except they did. they short paid tax because of an illegal state aid deal with the Irish government


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  • #72
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    lazybones32 wrote: »
    If Apple or the other corp. were paying their taxes, why in the fuq are the EU trying to pressurise Ireland to claim taxes off them?

    The IT, in 2014, showed that Apple paid 36 million on 7.11 billion, so don't play the 'we've no evidence!' card and expect it to stand. What % of 7,110,000,000 is 36,000,000? I'd love to have that tax rate...

    But shur, aren't they givin us jobs so i spose that makes criminal behaviour okay.

    Revenue have disclosed all documents showing apple paying 12.5% corporation tax on profits made in Ireland.

    That is all that matters.


  • #73
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    jobr wrote: »
    Because they technically did nothing wrong, so if we were to suddenly start demanding money from them, it would have to be the same for every other large multinational hq'd in Ireland and suddenly there would be nobody left here to provide jobs...

    I'd be of the opposite view.i think the department of finance has handled it terribly and now the noise the E.U is making is starting to make us look very very bad.ireland is fast gaining a reputation as an offshore country on a massive instudrial scale.we'd do well to collect the money quickly and hand it to the E.U before all of our non EU relationship are looked at.


  • #74
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Revenue have disclosed all documents showing apple paying 12.5% corporation tax on profits made in Ireland.

    That is all that matters.

    https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2016/08/30/how-apples-irish-subsidiaries-paid-a-0005-percent-tax-rate-in-2014.html
    Pretty much implicates the irish government in aiding apples tax evasions

    Someone's lieing to someone....it's a big jump for the eu to step in and demand tax be paid.....and an even bigger oddity the government wouldn't bother their hole and try muddle through like they do with everything else


  • #75
    ...And Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭...And Justice


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    It's a dog eat dog world.

    You gotta do what you have to to get by.

    If we don't do it some other country will.

    It's one of our finer achievements in our history.

    I agree, the only people giving out are the Champaign socialists that are sitting in their cushy mansions telling the unemployable and the gimme, gimme society that apple can pay for their woes.

    These people have no connection with apple whatsoever, but they want them to pay for their shìt.

    I on the otherhand have worked my arsè off for multinationals for years just to get the house I want. The way I see it, you contribute to society and you get rewarded.


  • #76
    lazybones32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Revenue have disclosed all documents showing apple paying 12.5% corporation tax on profits made in Ireland.

    That is all that matters.

    Sorry sir. My mistake. I won't question it again, sir. But kind sir, if that's all that matters, and i'm not questioning your knowledge of taxation, are the EU falsifying information against Apple or the Revenue Commissioners? Where did they get their figures of what is owed from? Thank you sir.


  • #77
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

    Straight from the sinn fein and left idiocy.

    WTF are you talking about? I wish people would just stfu with this bullshít. It's unintelligent drivel.

    People who moan about the apple tax aren't left or Sinn shagging Fein, or Trumpets, or crusties or facists, or aligned to any other bullshít label you like to apply to those you IMAGINE having a slightly alternative view. Are you just doing this so you can have an argument with a pseudo "enemy"? It's easier to fight something others perceive equally as negative, right? I mean, if you could somehow convince your imagined side, that the person you disagree with is a "lefty" or a "sinn feiner", it makes your argument easier, right? That's what your hoping for. It's nonsensical.

    People are obsessed with labels, why? Why can't you debate a point without having to rely on a label to help get your point across? It's because you can't effectively argue your point. Ad hominem!


  • #78
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Cain Panicky Bandage wrote: »
    WTF are you talking about? I wish people would just stfu with this bullshít. It's unintelligent drivel.

    People who moan about the apple tax aren't left or Sinn shagging Fein, or Trumpets, or crusties or facists, or aligned to any other bullshít label you like to apply to those you IMAGINE having a slightly alternative view. Are you just doing this so you can have an argument with a pseudo "enemy"? It's easier to fight something others perceive equally as negative, right? I mean, if you could somehow convince your imagined side, that the person you disagree with is a "lefty" or a "sinn feiner", it makes your argument easier, right? That's what your hoping for. It's nonsensical.

    People are obsessed with labels, why? Why can't you debate a point without having to rely on a label to help get your point across? It's because you can't effectively argue your point. Ad hominem!

    In fairness...there trying to argue 50 euro out of every million in tax is acceptable....I pay more than that in tax every time I fill my car with petrol


  • #79
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    They put up a decent enough fight to show Apple "tried our best boss, we will accept a cheque".

    These companies are not in Ireland for the 12.5%. They are here for the patent/royalty loopholes.


  • #80
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    lazybones32 wrote: »
    Sorry sir. My mistake. I won't question it again, sir. But kind sir, if that's all that matters, and i'm not questioning your knowledge of taxation, are the EU falsifying information against Apple or the Revenue Commissioners? Where did they get their figures of what is owed from? Thank you sir.

    I already explained.

    It's tax on profits from other countries that Apple are accused of not paying.

    It's not tax on profits earned in Ireland.

    That has been paid at the correct rate.

    Is that simple enough for you sir?


  • #81
    lazybones32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    ...And Justice wrote: »
    I agree, the only people giving out are the Champaign socialists that are sitting in their cushy mansions telling the unemployable and the gimme, gimme society that apple can pay for their woes.

    These people have no connection with apple whatsoever, but they want them to pay for their shìt.

    I on the otherhand have worked my arsè off for multinationals for years just to get the house I want. The way I see it, you contribute to society and you get rewarded.

    Sarcasm, i hope?
    Revenue want/take 35% of what i make, which means i get paid for four days when i work six. If they want 0.05% of my money, like they do with others, i would happily oblige. And i am no socialist, in case you wonder.


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  • #82
    AllGunsBlazing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭AllGunsBlazing


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    It's a dog eat dog world.

    You gotta do what you have to to get by.

    If we don't do it some other country will.

    It's one of our finer achievements in our history.

    Worst rap ever.


  • #83
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Cain Panicky Bandage wrote: »
    WTF are you talking about? I wish people would just stfu with this bullshít. It's unintelligent drivel.

    People who moan about the apple tax aren't left or Sinn shagging Fein, or Trumpets, or crusties or facists, or aligned to any other bullshít label you like to apply to those you IMAGINE having a slightly alternative view. Are you just doing this so you can have an argument with a pseudo "enemy"? It's easier to fight something others perceive equally as negative, right? I mean, if you could somehow convince your imagined side, that the person you disagree with is a "lefty" or a "sinn feiner", it makes your argument easier, right? That's what your hoping for. It's nonsensical.

    People are obsessed with labels, why? Why can't you debate a point without having to rely on a label to help get your point across? It's because you can't effectively argue your point. Ad hominem!

    It's because I heard a sinn fein official on the radio earlier saying the goverment should take that money and invest in housing.

    Deluded and don't even realise it's not our money.

    That's where I got it from.


  • #84
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,203 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Pretty much every dog in the street knows that Apple and others aren't paying the 12.5% corporation tax. But that has nothing to do with the 13billion, the same EU who say we should be collecting it are also saying we can't spent it, so saying that we need money for homes etc. is pointless.


  • #85
    twowheelsonly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭twowheelsonly


    Mr.H wrote: »
    And how many people in Ireland work for apple?

    I'd safely bet it's not 13bn worth

    A load of Tosh being spouted that we will lose out in the long term.

    The only reason keeping apple happy is Ireland's portfolio looks better to other companies who see we have apple doing business here. Meanwhile we screw home grown companies on tax.

    And lose out we will if they were to up sticks and go.
    The 13bn is supposedly what they owe in Europe, not to us, and is dated back to when they first arrived here. It's pretty well documented that they've paid whatever taxes are due here.
    Apple have been in Cork since 1980, creating employment for thousands directly and many more thousands indirectly. That's 37 years that they've generated income for those thousands of people so the totals would be well into multiples of milions.

    Mr.H wrote: »
    They gave people a false sense of financial security. We have more people in debt because they relied on these jobs that they were told were long term.

    I don't mean they literally cost us more but they certainly milked our low tax unto they moved on to a low labour region instead.

    Our nation was in less debt on a populous level before dell

    Dell lasted 25 years before they moved out which to be fair is reasonably long term. IMO it was the imaginary tiger that killed them as it drove up wages and the cost of manufacturing here.
    BTW, there are still over 2,000 people working directly for Dell in this country, somewhere up around 2,300 or 2,400 at the moment as far as I know.


  • #86
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    lazybones32 wrote: »
    Sarcasm, i hope?
    Revenue want/take 35% of what i make, which means i get paid for four days when i work six. If they want 0.05% of my money, like they do with others, i would happily oblige. And i am no socialist, in case you wonder.

    Who did revenue take .05% in tax from?


  • #87
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    brevity wrote: »
    Give everyone in Ireland a free iPhone X - be grand.

    256GB. Don't be cheap now.

    yeah so we can all build new houses to replace tge oncmes that burned down ?


  • #88
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    job seeker wrote: »
    Welcome to Ireland. Where we screw Irish citizens on tax, but are to foolish not to take it from companies who are worth millions.

    :rolleyes:

    The actual reason the money hasn't been collected and put in Escrow if because the Government have to appoint fund managers that will mirror Apples investment portfolio. The reason for this is that Apple could sue the Irish government for the difference if their billions in escrow don't perform as well as Apples investments under their direct control.

    The government are planning on appointing a fund manager approved by Apple to prevent this risk from materialising.

    Now please everyone continue your uninformed rants


  • #89
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Who did revenue take .05% in tax from?

    Apple??
    https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2016/08/30/how-apples-irish-subsidiaries-paid-a-0005-percent-tax-rate-in-2014.html

    Hence the boot up the arse from the eu to get them to so their jobs?

    Apple set up a hq and sold in tge eu through ireland...but can get away without paying tax

    If male machinery from mayo sells new round balers through dealerships in France, should they only pay 0.05% tax on profits on those?


  • #90
    eeguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,399 ✭✭✭eeguy


    Tigger wrote: »
    yeah so we can all build new houses to replace tge oncmes that burned down ?

    What?


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  • #91
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    Apple??
    https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2016/08/30/how-apples-irish-subsidiaries-paid-a-0005-percent-tax-rate-in-2014.html

    Hence the boot up the arse from the eu to get them to so their jobs?

    Apple set up a hq and in eu sold through ireland...but can get away without paying tax

    If male machinery from mayo sells new round balers through dealerships in France, should they only pay 0.05% tax on profits on those?

    Revenue received 12.5% from Apple on its profits in Ireland.

    All above board.

    Anything else is nothing to do with Ireland.

    Can you point out where it says revenue only received .05% from Apple on its profits in Ireland please.

    You won't be able to. Don't waste your time or do.


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