NFL Disrespect.

endacl · 25-09-2017 12:15PM

I don’t stand for our anthem. Never have from the first time I read the words. I was only ever challenged on it once. That happened in Drogheda. I told the tool who had a problem with it that I’d be happy to stand if he could:

(a) recite the words, and
(B) provide a translation.

Neither was forthcoming.

diomed · 25-09-2017 12:15PM

Trump wants everyone respecting the leader in his North Korea America.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 25-09-2017 12:23PM

Wtf has this got to do with WW2? Why are some people trying to make that idiotic connection?

seamus · 25-09-2017 12:26PM

Bella Narrow Thermometer wrote: »

Wtf has this got to do with WW2? Why are some people trying to make that idiotic connection?

A lot of people are under the misguided impression that one should live in a way that would make some dead people happy. If they were still alive.

The_Kew_Tour · 25-09-2017 12:27PM

WW2 was the last time the Americans and Brits were the good guys but by **** they have more then made up for it with their nvasion after invasion since.

WW2 still seems to be the only excuse to invade other countries for the Pro American Military people.

super_furry · 25-09-2017 12:27PM

Bella Narrow Thermometer wrote: »

Wtf has this got to do with WW2? Why are some people trying to make that idiotic connection?

Because in America, the cry of ‘support the troops’ is used to shut down dissenting voices all the time. Ever since the Vietnam war protests, there’s been the fetishisation of the American military and the demand that everyone blindly supports them. Want to stop someone highlighting the extra-judicial killing of black people by police? Accuse the protesters of insulting soldiers.

Richard Hillman · 25-09-2017 12:28PM

The worrying thing is that they are doing it at Children's games now. The kids just see it as a bit of being a rebel, they have no idea of the connotations.

Anyhow NFL tv ratings (all free to air remember) are plummeting, along with attendances. If a bunch of black millionaires, who have had their entire lives funded by the state are going to alienate their sport for so called "social justice" then work away. We'll see how passionate they are when the wage cap drops.

Richard Hillman · 25-09-2017 12:32PM

To sum up yesterday's protest, retired Baltimore Raven Ray Lewis joined the team in taking a knee on the sideline. A knee that begun when some players protested against alleged police brutality in shooting innocent black people.

Not sure if Ray was thinking about the murder of another innocent black man that he was involved in....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Lewis#Murder_trial

Another hipocracy was the Pakistani born owner of the Jaguars joining his team for the anthem yesterday. The same owner who donated 1 million to Trumps election campaign.

Virtue signalling on steroids

ceegee · 25-09-2017 12:38PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The worrying thing is that they are doing it at Children's games now. The kids just see it as a bit of being a rebel, they have no idea of the connotations.

Anyhow NFL tv ratings (all free to air remember) are plummeting, along with attendances. If a bunch of black millionaires, who have had their entire lives funded by the state are going to alienate their sport for so called "social justice" then work away. We'll see how passionate they are when the wage cap drops.

Any source for these plummeting figures? TV ratings were down 8% last year, I'd hardly classify that as plummeting. Attendances were actually up last year.
Just because Trump makes claims about plummeting figures doesn't make them in anyway true

mikemac2 · 25-09-2017 12:40PM

Do they still play the national anthem when they turn up the lights in the nightclub?

25-09-2017 12:43PM

I hope all these broflakes are similarly upset about the US flag being used as pants, tshirts and jackets!

Hermy · 25-09-2017 12:43PM

I love the way America's potentially on the brink of war and yet the news of the day is some professional sportsmen genuflecting during their national anthem.

Richard Hillman · 25-09-2017 12:44PM

ceegee wrote: »

Any source for these plummeting figures? TV ratings were down 8% last year, I'd hardly classify that as plummeting. Attendances were actually up last year.
Just because Trump makes claims about plummeting figures doesn't make them in anyway true

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-patriots-chiefs-ratings-20170908-story.html

Season opener way down for a much better game.

And no, I pay attention to the NFL. Ratings were a big talking point last year

ohnonotgmail · 25-09-2017 12:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I hope all these broflakes are similarly upset about the US flag being used as pants, tshirts and jackets!

not to mention stuff like napkins and disposable plates.

Venom · 25-09-2017 12:45PM

mikemac2 wrote: »

Do they still play the national anthem when they turn up the lights in the nightclub?

They do at the one up the road from me.

Creative83 · 25-09-2017 12:49PM

The US an extremely patriotic society... you see it yourself when visiting... flags everywhere particularly in neighborhoods. Not sure if these sports people are shooting themselves in the foot with this.

25-09-2017 12:51PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Lewis#Murder_trial

Another hipocracy was the Pakistani born owner of the Jaguars joining his team for the anthem yesterday. The same owner who donated 1 million to Trumps election campaign.

Virtue signalling on steroids

Robert Kraft also donated a million, and also has criticised Bush.

Is it possible that, instead of being hypocritical, they simply disagree with him on this issue? Because they supported Trump are they locked into agreeing with every thing he says or does?

ceegee · 25-09-2017 12:51PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What is the background to the protests?

Colin Kaepernick began the protests by sitting down during the national anthem, in protest of the treatment of black people by police. He later switched to kneeling rather sitting in order to show respect to members of the military.

Kaepernick got blacklisted by NFL owners and is currently without a team.

Trump came out this week demanding that all clubs fire the "sons of bitches" who take a knee. As a result many more players joined the protest thus weekend in order to show solidarity with those who choose to protest.

Trump also uninvited the NBA champions from a visit to the white house after Steph Curry said he wouldn't go, and has praised the (all white) NHL champions after they said they would attend.

siblers · 25-09-2017 12:51PM

Trump gave the speech about how these NFL players should be kicked out of the league in Alabama, he is playing to his audience, if he gave the same speech in New York or San Francisco, he'd have been booed off the stage

dudara · 25-09-2017 01:02PM

Slavish devotion to a flag and anthem does not a patriot make. The regimes most associated with flag waving, marching and standing to attention have generally been the most nationalistic and authoritarian regimes.

I really wish the people slamming the players for this act of protest would step back and think about the rights that they are so lucky to have. One of these rights is the right to protest and the NFL players are protesting in a very dignified and restrained manner for what I consider to be a valid cause. America is a horribly racist and divided country and it's not getting any better under the current president.

Ironically, the guy wearning the t-shirt with the flag and "I WILL NOT KNEEL" was in violation of the US Flag Code

The flag should not be used as "wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery"

The flag should never have any mark, insignia, letter, word, number, figure, or drawing of any kind placed on it or attached to it.

etc

Berserker · 25-09-2017 01:25PM

mini_Sapphire wrote: »

The US an extremely patriotic society... you see it yourself when visiting... flags everywhere particularly in neighborhoods. Not sure if these sports people are shooting themselves in the foot with this.

Depends where they live in the USA. Most places are extremely patriotic but others are not, NYC, for example.

BillyBobBS · 25-09-2017 01:25PM

Seems like this is going to backfire bigly on the NFL. I hope the numbers coming to see games drops and advertises pull out en mass.

angryIreGamer · 25-09-2017 01:28PM

FLEG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

25-09-2017 01:29PM

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Seems like this is going to backfire bigly on the NFL. I hope the numbers coming to see games drops and advertises pull out en mass.

I don't think it will have much negative impact. Certainly not for the big east and west coast teams in places like NY, San Fran etc. Even in very pro Trump conservative areas like Wisconsin, they like Donald...but not as much as the Packers. Aaron Rodgers would be far more popular.

razorblunt · 25-09-2017 01:35PM

ceegee wrote: »

Colin Kaepernick began the protests by sitting down during the national anthem, in protest of the treatment of black people by police. He later switched to kneeling rather sitting in order to show respect to members of the military.

Kaepernick got blacklisted by NFL owners and is currently without a team.

Trump came out this week demanding that all clubs fire the "sons of bitches" who take a knee. As a result many more players joined the protest thus weekend in order to show solidarity with those who choose to protest.

Trump also uninvited the NBA champions from a visit to the white house after Steph Curry said he wouldn't go, and has praised the (all white) NHL champions after they said they would attend.

Let's be honest on Kaepernick too, he's a bit shíte at throwing the ball, you've got teams who reluctantly let go of a player who knocked out his wife in a domestic violence incident, these teams wouldn't think twice of hiring him if he was decent.

inforfun · 25-09-2017 01:48PM

Sitting down, kneeling, standing up, stay in the dressing room... whatever.

The fact that before each and every ****ing sport match\event the national anthem has to be played over there has always given me a bit of an uncomfortable feeling.

weldoninhio · 25-09-2017 01:52PM

rainbow kirby wrote: »

I was at Ravens @ Jags at Wembley yesterday, I saw no disrespect during any anthems, merely people exercising their right to peaceful, respectful protest.

They can protest on their own time. Not when they are being paid to represent their football team and no when they should be respecting their flag and anthem. Owners should start docking pay from players who bring their clubs into disrepute. Big fines and written warnings and escalate it from there.

ohnonotgmail · 25-09-2017 01:54PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

They can protest on their own time. Not when they are being paid to represent their football team and no when they should be respecting their flag and anthem. Owners should start docking pay from players who bring their clubs into disrepute. Big fines and written warnings and escalate it from there.

Donald, is that you?

super_furry · 25-09-2017 01:54PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

They can protest on their own time. Not when they are being paid to represent their football team and no when they should be respecting their flag and anthem. Owners should start docking pay from players who bring their clubs into disrepute. Big fines and written warnings and escalate it from there.

The “we pay you so do what you’re told” defence. Would you make the same argument for forcing James McClean to wear a poppy? His protest there happens when he’s ‘paid to represent a football team’.

weldoninhio · 25-09-2017 02:00PM

super_furry wrote: »

The “we pay you so do what you’re told” defence. Would you make the same argument for forcing James McClean to wear a poppy? His protest there happens when he’s ‘paid to represent a football team’.

The poppy is optional in the Premier League/Football League. So I've no idea what you are talking about. He's doesn't protest the poppy, he just opts out of wearing it. Perhaps read up on things before making silly comments.

NFL Disrespect.

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