High Noon with George Hook.

Loafing Oaf · 22-09-2017 07:59PM

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

If it was a company car, and you had to tell your boss that you left the company car unlocked outside Spar to buy a gallon of milk, and the car got robbed... What would you think that your boss, or more importantly the insurance company, would say?

Probably first thing, Who buys milk by the gallon?:p

suicide_circus · 22-09-2017 08:12PM

Jamiekelly wrote: »

They're talking about Hook again on Matt Coopers show and I'm struck at just how political this is. Hugh linehan is filling in and has admitted that a vast majority of the texts are agreeing with the general sentiment of George regarding personal responsibility but saying he made a simple error in making the point effectively.

Cue Mr Linehan saying "well George apologized for it so its clear even George doesn't agree with you"

Is this really the state of broadcast journalism in Ireland? A silly little game of one upsmanship with the programs own listener base?

I've been a liberal all my life and I'm only in my 20s but now I really am starting to see the snide visciousness that has been directed at conservative people simply for holding an opinion. It's really forcing me to evaluate if I should continue to call myself liberal any more given how the term has been hijacked by an internet mob and almost turned the word into the opposite of what it actually means.

If Hook has proven one thing correct it's that virtue signalling for applause is really dumbing down debate and political discourse.

If one wants to be rebellious, counter cultural and dissenting nowadays the only space for that is on the right. The world is turned upside-down.

Faugheen · 22-09-2017 08:17PM

Sarah Mc went up in my estimations last night.

She was able to disagree with what Hook said while not attacking him or his character.

Anyone here trying to agree with what Hook said, one question:

The woman in question, is it her fault she was raped?

Yes or no answer please, and if you say no, then you can't possibly defend what Hook said.

Calhoun · 22-09-2017 08:20PM

Faugheen wrote: »

Yes or no answer please, and if you say no, then you can't possibly defend what Hook said.

This is it folks the arbiter of though has spoken everything from now on will be black and white and in yes no answers.

Tony EH · 22-09-2017 08:30PM

BPKS wrote: »

Take this example.

A young fella goes on the p1ss. Spends all his money on drink so has no money for a taxi. He decides to walk home on a dark country road. He is very drunk. He is wearing black jeans and a black coat. He staggers out onto the road a bit and a drunk driver knocks him down.

Is the young fella any way to blame for getting knocked down?

This is an accident you're describing. Unfortunate for everyone concerned.

Rape is never an accident.

BarryD2 · 22-09-2017 08:33PM

Faugheen wrote: »

Sarah Mc went up in my estimations last night.

She was able to disagree with what Hook said while not attacking him or his character.

Anyone here trying to agree with what Hook said, one question:

The woman in question, is it her fault she was raped?

Yes or no answer please, and if you say no, then you can't possibly defend what Hook said.

The moral world is not black & white, there are many shades of grey.

Personally I'm disgusted with Newstalk, to allow themselves to be dictated to by those who think they have a monopoly on virtue.

Tony EH · 22-09-2017 08:39PM

Jamiekelly wrote: »

They're talking about Hook again on Matt Coopers show and I'm struck at just how political this is. Hugh linehan is filling in and has admitted that a vast majority of the texts are agreeing with the general sentiment of George regarding personal responsibility but saying he made a simple error in making the point effectively.

Cue Mr Linehan saying "well George apologized for it so its clear even George doesn't agree with you"

Is this really the state of broadcast journalism in Ireland? A silly little game of one upsmanship with the programs own listener base?

I've been a liberal all my life and I'm only in my 20s but now I really am starting to see the snide visciousness that has been directed at conservative people simply for holding an opinion. It's really forcing me to evaluate if I should continue to call myself liberal any more given how the term has been hijacked by an internet mob and almost turned the word into the opposite of what it actually means.

If Hook has proven one thing correct it's that virtue signalling for applause is really dumbing down debate and political discourse.

I keep having to repeat this. There is nothing "political" going on here. This is purely copy. That's all. Tired journo's are delighted about this because it's given them a bit of oxygen, so they're going to run with this ad nauseum.

And again, NONE of these people are picking over this because they hold a political belief, one way or the other. It's simply providing fuel for their column inches and air time.

Plus, if you need to "evaluate if I should continue to call myself liberal", because of this, you're politics are on shakey ground anyway.

Is this really the state of broadcast journalism in Ireland? A silly little game of one upsmanship with the programs own listener base?

Frankly, yes. And it's been like that for quite a while.

Five Green Bottles · 22-09-2017 08:40PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Ferrari drivers, as a class of individuals, tend not to garner much sympathy for anything they do or omit to do. So that's a distorted example.

So the Ferrari guy is the guilty one because he works hard, yet garners no sympathy. Let me tell you that its the hardworking Ferrari driver who'll most likely be sober and drug free because that's what achieving a goal like a sports car requires. Its the sport scar driving type of guy who wont be hiding in a dark lane while your on your way home waiting for you. Its the Guy in the sports car outside coppers who'll likely pick a girl up and get her home safely, its the guy in the Ferrari who'll call the ambulance when he happens across the victim in the streets. but he has a red car and garners little sympathy.

Wonder why Sarah was canned at newstalk. That's why. because the man in the red car, the successful guy is always the enemy, the one doing it right, the one making sense must be taken down at all costs. more importantly its why women broadcasters continually shoot them selves in the foot (mouth)

maxwell smart · 22-09-2017 08:40PM

Faugheen wrote: »

Sarah Mc went up in my estimations last night.

She was able to disagree with what Hook said while not attacking him or his character.

Anyone here trying to agree with what Hook said, one question:

The woman in question, is it her fault she was raped?

Yes or no answer please, and if you say no, then you can't possibly defend what Hook said.

I believe that it's never the fault of any man or woman if they are raped.

However I also believe that what George said is simple common sense. The two points are not mutually exclusive in my opinion

Ash.J.Williams · 22-09-2017 08:40PM

Calhoun wrote: »

You would be amazed how many like them just because they are from limerick and the left love then as they promote feminism.

Apparently suicidal young males need feminism.

Or maybe people just like them?

tretorn · 22-09-2017 08:46PM

I can say it wasnt the young womans fault she was allegedly raped while still saying she should take personal responsibility for her safety.

Hook never said it was the young womans fault she was allegedly raped, he posed the question as in if you park your brand new BMW in Sherrif street and leave it unlocked and its stolen then the general view is what did you expect. The insurance company probably wont pay out either because its a no claim policy and not a no blame one. This isnt to say its your fault that the car was stolen, its the scumbag who stole your car who is to blame but who is hurting from the loss of the car, you the car owner.

The funny thing is most people would take really good care of their car, there is no way they would give a stranger a lift home. They will though say hello to a stranger in a night club and then go back to a hotel bedroom with them, they place more value on their car than they do on their personal safety.

Faugheen · 22-09-2017 09:01PM

maxwell smart wrote: »

I believe that it's never the fault of any man or woman if they are raped.

However I also believe that what George said is simple common sense. The two points are not mutually exclusive in my opinion

Why did he apologise then?

If George had nothing to apologise for, he would have walked if they tried to force him.

People need to get into their heads that even George admits what he said was wrong and stop defending the statements he made.

He blamed a victim for being raped. It might not be what he meant, but it is what he said. End of.

Rackstar · 22-09-2017 09:07PM

Faugheen wrote: »

Sarah Mc went up in my estimations last night.

She was able to disagree with what Hook said while not attacking him or his character.

Anyone here trying to agree with what Hook said, one question:

The woman in question, is it her fault she was raped?

Yes or no answer please, and if you say no, then you can't possibly defend what Hook said.

Sarah Mc had one motive. Get Hook sacked, free up his slot and hope she gets the gig after being bounced to the early Saturday morning slot.

brooke 2 · 22-09-2017 09:09PM

Grolschevik wrote: »

So far, the show's not the worst, and I think she's competent enough as a presenter, but I don't rate the content for a lunchtime show. Should really be 'newsier' for that slot. I can see the format working at, say, 11 to 1 on a weekend day. Dislike the Irish equivalent of the 'jolly hockey sticks' voice as well.

After 'the great upheaval', I thought Cuddihy and Healy (or was it Coleman?!) worked well as a double act in the Drive slot. That combo would be worth trying at noon, in my view.

'jolly hockey sticks' voice - love it! Perfect description of the lovely Ciara!

maxwell smart · 22-09-2017 09:12PM

Faugheen wrote: »

Why did he apologise then?

If George had nothing to apologise for, he would have walked if they tried to force him.

People need to get into their heads that even George admits what he said was wrong and stop defending the statements he made.

He blamed a victim for being raped. It might not be what he meant, but it is what he said. End of.

So you have never said something and someone else took a different meaning from the one you intended? Bravo

We will never know why he apologised, but perhaps it went something like this

Newstalk Management - George if you don't apologise your off the air and fired with no chance of a comeback and the lawyers will decide on the payout.

George - OK I'll apologise.

Remember that here is a guy who has always worried about money, even now when he is well paid it's hard to forget when he struggled. Believe me I know how that feels and it's something you never forget.

Five Green Bottles · 22-09-2017 09:14PM

Rackstar wrote: »

Sarah Mc had one motive. Get Hook sacked, free up his slot and hope she gets the gig after being bounced to the early Saturday morning slot.

As Does George's dear friend Dr. Kelly also in any way possible to be sure to assassinate her good friend and father figure

Faugheen · 22-09-2017 09:16PM

Rackstar wrote: »

Sarah Mc had one motive. Get Hook sacked, free up his slot and hope she gets the gig after being bounced to the early Saturday morning slot.

Some people really need to get over themselves.

All I see here is 'witch-hunt' when people accuse the likes of Sarah Mc and Ciara Kelly of only wanting his job.

Do you think they don't believe what they're saying and they're just playing up to the camera's? Cop on.

Sarah Mc has stayed very quiet on the issue. She spoke about it last night because it came up and she could have used the chance to completely attack Hook, yet she didn't.

Some people had a go at Chris Donoghue and Ciara Kelly in this thread for going at Hook on his comments, saying they wanted his job.

Sarah does the complete opposite...because she wants his job?

I've no doubt Sarah Mc would take the job if it was given to her, but you can't say she only said what she did last night because that was on her mind. Don't be so bloody ridiculous! That's like saying she didn't believe what she said. An absolutely ridiculous argument to make.

Some people can't win on this forum. I've seen the word 'witch-hunt' thrown about with regards to Hook (and I would agree), but most of the witch hunt on here is against anyone who dares make a point against what George was saying.

DickSwiveller · 22-09-2017 09:26PM

Faugheen wrote: »

Some people really need to get over themselves.

All I see here is 'witch-hunt' when people accuse the likes of Sarah Mc and Ciara Kelly of only wanting his job.

Do you think they don't believe what they're saying and they're just playing up to the camera's? Cop on.

Sarah Mc has stayed very quiet on the issue. She spoke about it last night because it came up and she could have used the chance to completely attack Hook, yet she didn't.

Some people had a go at Chris Donoghue and Ciara Kelly in this thread for going at Hook on his comments, saying they wanted his job.

Sarah does the complete opposite...because she wants his job?

I've no doubt Sarah Mc would take the job if it was given to her, but you can't say she only said what she did last night because that was on her mind. Don't be so bloody ridiculous! That's like saying she didn't believe what she said. An absolutely ridiculous argument to make.

Some people can't win on this forum. I've seen the word 'witch-hunt' thrown about with regards to Hook (and I would agree), but most of the witch hunt on here is against anyone who dares make a point against what George was saying.

They believe what they're saying, but it's all propoganda.

Five Green Bottles · 22-09-2017 09:31PM

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Chris Donoghue is a weasel.

Always liked Chris but he's become very spineless this past few weeks, can only imagine the atmosphere in their canteen they must all be armed with kitchen knives. Although I do whatever I can not to hear her terrible show I Hope Dil gets the shafting that she deserves too.

22-09-2017 10:38PM

bottlebrush wrote: »

And the likelihood is that you would replace the car and make sure you locked this new car before you go into the shop . . Hence taking a degree of responsibility for it not happening to you a second time. . ?

Of course.

But a lot of people are missing the key point. Recklessness, at least insofar as it concerns criminal activity, does not equate to blame.

Blame is finite. Demanding that a rape victim bears some personal responsibility *necessarily* diminishes the blame of the rapist. They are now *sharing* the blame, and in my view, that is a warped and bizarre claim.

I consider it fair to describe the behaviour of some rape victims as reckless. I consider my own behaviour in often leaving my car unlocked as a bit reckless. BUT, in no way does it mean that I and the putative thief share the blame for a criminal act of theft.

People need to start distinguishing between the wisdom of a reckless activity, and the apportion of blame for a crime.

It is possible... In fact, it is probably quite common... To be both reckless and blameless in respect of being the victim of a crime.

The shopkeeper who doesn't hire a security guard, the old lady who keeps her savings on cash in a closet, my old mum who never locked her kitchen door in 50 years... These people are not minimising risk and therefore, to some degree, are reckless. But they do Not share the blame when someone steals from them. The blame for that remains with the person who commits the crime.

monstermag · 22-09-2017 11:35PM

I'm delighted George is back, would have preferred if he got his old slot back but I'll settled for this as it was looking pretty bleak for him.This way he can go out on his own terms.
Whether u like him or not, u must admit he has a very strong personality. U could search the length and breadth of Ireland and you'd find it hard to find a character like him. He's quite unique in that way, u could tell he loved his job.
As for Ciara Kelly l don't think she done anything wrong whatsoever, in fact that statement she made about him been the most gender blind person she knew, took a lot of the heat out of the situation and saved his bacon to some degree. She had to takeover, and I'm sure George would approve, she probably ran it by him first. That I'm a woman comment was no big deal, that was just going to bat for management. She has been very professional throughout the whole saga unlike some at Newstalk.especially Dill, that was outrageous, I'd say she is on very thin ice at the station now.

Five Green Bottles · 23-09-2017 12:04AM

monstermag wrote: »

I'm delighted George is back, would have preferred if he got his old slot back but I'll settled for this as it was looking pretty bleak for him.This way he can go out on his own terms.
Whether u like him or not, u must admit he has a very strong personality. U could search the length and breadth of Ireland and you'd find it hard to find a character like him. He's quite unique in that way, u could tell he loved his job.
As for Ciara Kelly l don't think she done anything wrong whatsoever, in fact that statement she made about him been the most gender blind person she knew, took a lot of the heat out of the situation and saved his bacon to some degree. She had to takeover, and I'm sure George would approve, she probably ran it by him first. That I'm a woman comment was no big deal, that was just going to bat for management. She has been very professional throughout the whole saga unlike some at Newstalk.especially Dill, that was outrageous, I'd say she is on very thin ice at the station now.

I'm thinking George is being temporarily moved aside and probably returned in the new year

Loafing Oaf · 23-09-2017 12:14AM

Five Green Bottles wrote: »

I'm thinking George is being temporarily moved aside and probably returned in the new year

He's due to retire permanently next autumn anyway. Don't think it would make much sense to bring him back for a weekday show for a few months...

Five Green Bottles · 23-09-2017 12:25AM

DOB has some people that caused bother over the past few weeks that will need to learn the type of stuff not thought to them at school, and he's well know for teaching those type of lessons.

Lady Chatterton · 23-09-2017 01:15AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Minimising risk is also never crossing the road because you might get hit by a bus.

Where do you draw the line?

My mum's theory of never locking her kitchen door is that 'if they want to get in, they'll get in anyway', and her windows are expensive to repair. That's sensible.

I was just taking a very quick scan through posts when I noticed this. By kitchen door, do you mean the back door?

If your mother's house is robbed (God Forbid) and she has left her front or back door unlocked then she is uninsured as there will be no evidence of forced entry. House Insurance claims are regularly refused on this basis.

Harry Angstrom · 23-09-2017 01:46AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

He's due to retire permanently next autumn anyway. Don't think it would make much sense to bring him back for a weekday show for a few months...

He really should have retired when The Right Hook finished. He would have gone out on a high, and he would have been held in good stead. Unfortunately he came back with High Noon where he played a caricature of himself, and where he was perhaps encouraged to push the envelope, and it backfired on him badly.

PeterTheNinth · 23-09-2017 11:38AM

This result makes no sense at all... If they are not firing him, then why is he not getting his old show back? This has more a feel of pandering to the left completely while at the same time giving George Hook some small slot in the schedule so that they can still maintain this facade that they facilitate both left and right ideologies. The truth of it is that they are almost at the point of being just liberal propaganda. Almost any time I have switched on this week, I have found them speaking about some justice issue, whether that be Ibrahim Halawa, sneering at Donald Trump, or some perceived injustice to one of the minority lobby groups. Given any topic, you can immediately predict what position the presenter will hold any subject.

Ursus Horribilis · 23-09-2017 11:56AM

They're probably afraid the angry Twitter mob will get up off their sofas and rock up to the door of Marconi House, blazing torches in hand.

At this stage I'm sick of the screeching mob. George Hook has apologised and has paid a heavy price for what he said. Perhaps he and other people have learned something from this. Apparently there is no room for forgiveness or second chances any more. One false step and you get a new one torn for you and a P45 as they kick you out the door. I didn't always agree with what the likes of Kevin Myers, John Waters or George Hook had to say but we need dissenting voices. Where are the alternative voices going to come from now?

PeterTheNinth · 23-09-2017 12:35PM

monstermag wrote: »

As for Ciara Kelly l don't think she done anything wrong whatsoever, in fact that statement she made about him been the most gender blind person she knew, took a lot of the heat out of the situation and saved his bacon to some degree.

How did she "save his bacon"..She was in his job and he was suspended by the time she opened her mouth? And the fact that she said nothing, when people would have expected her (as a close colleague) to at least say something in mitigation, absolutely buried him. I honestly think that if she HAD made a strong statement earlier, she could have saved George. But she CHOSE not to. So can we stop passing her behaviour off as anything other than completely self serving please..

On another point, I think she said when she was on with Marion Finucane that she texted George twice that week, but did not speak to him.

Tony EH · 23-09-2017 12:50PM

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

This result makes no sense at all... If they are not firing him, then why is he not getting his old show back? This has more a feel of pandering to the left completely while at the same time giving George Hook some small slot in the schedule so that they can still maintain this facade that they facilitate both left and right ideologies. The truth of it is that they are almost at the point of being just liberal propaganda. Almost any time I have switched on this week, I have found them speaking about some justice issue, whether that be Ibrahim Halawa, sneering at Donald Trump, or some perceived injustice to one of the minority lobby groups. Given any topic, you can immediately predict what position the presenter will hold any subject.

I got to here and now I just couldn't give a crap what else you've written.

This has fuck all to do with "the left". :rolleyes:

High Noon with George Hook.

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