Hotel Cancels Pro life event due to Intimidation.

Stonedpilot · 21-09-2017 05:03PM #1

I don't really take sides on this whole debate I realized in life opinions well everyone has one and this is a very divisive issue.

What I have a problem with is the feminist/liberal/lefty movement shouting down indeed attacking anyone who disagrees with them, to such an extent hotels are in fear to hold event's where people oppose their views.

The irony of it is they say oh we despise Fascism yet are the biggest proponents of it. These people are so obsessed with their own opinions and self centered that they cannot even listen to an opposing view!. They cannot even let it be heard.

This is insane. I have a feeling these people will stop at nothing to stop others with opposing views. Most of the 'Worker's Rights' posters up by people before profit or anti austerity alliance or solidarity or whatever they will be called in the next few minutes is very heavy handed propaganda for pro abortion activists to get their message across. What happened to the workers rights mentioned on the poster?. Seen them scowl and jeer at a elderly woman whom was at one who didn't agree with them on abortion.
Extremely dangerous people those whom cannot even tolerate others views.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/antiabortion-group-left-fuming-after-hotel-cancels-their-booking-over-intimidation-36155799.html

El Weirdo · 21-09-2017 05:06PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

I don't really take sides on this whole debate I realized in life opinions well everyone has one and this is a very divisive issue.

What I have a problem with is the feminist/liberal/lefty...

As far as I got.

frag420 · 21-09-2017 05:07PM

Sure the Pro Life crowd have no issues intimidating women looking for health advice, holding up graphic placards, spitting on women, shouting at them...

I for one will be dropping into the Aisling Hotel and buying a few drinks there next time I am home!!

DEFTLEFTHAND · 21-09-2017 05:09PM

Churchill's prophecy coming true.

LirW · 21-09-2017 05:09PM

Mr McCrystal claimed it was "yet another example of censorship and is an attack on free speech".

LOL a bit strong coming from a pro-lifer, isn't it.

wes · 21-09-2017 05:10PM

Let look at what the article actually says:

However they claim that the event was cancelled after the venue received a large amount of negative emails, and social media posts.

"The manager himself spoke to me directly of 50 pages of commentary, emails and social media, that a Facebook page had been set up opposing the conference, as well as diatribe, intimidation, upset of his staff, personal visits to the hotel and threats of protest at the hotel if conference continues. In the interest of Health and safety of his staff, he had to cancel venue".

So people on the other side exercising there right to free speech, by contacting the hotel about how there against the event is perfectly valid. Free speech whether the Right likes it or not, is a 2 way street. You can say what you like, but so can the other guy.

If someone doesn't want to do business with a hotel in this case, due to there hosting an ideology they are against, that is there right. The same rights that the pro life group has as well.

Sorry, but your claims of people being silenced or there free speech being violated is simply untrue, and your basically saying people can't disagree with someone, which could also be called an attempt to silence people.

21-09-2017 05:10PM

frag420 wrote: »

Sure the Pro Life crowd have no issues intimidating women looking for health advice, holding up graphic placards, spitting on women, shouting at them...

I for one will be dropping into the Aisling Hotel and buying a few drinks there next time I am home!!

The other side is wrong so by copying them we become more right?

OnDraught · 21-09-2017 05:11PM

Looks like the hotel made a business decision because they're a business.

riffmongous · 21-09-2017 05:11PM

LirW wrote: »

LOL a bit strong coming from a pro-lifer, isn't it.

Free speech is only an issue for certain types when they are the ones who can't spout off anymore

Galwayguy35 · 21-09-2017 05:14PM

For a group of people who are always banging on about choice it's a bit strange that they don't want people with a different view to have any voice in the debate.

And before somebody starts with the opinion that anyone with balls has no right to talk on this it's worth noting that many on the pro life side are women.

dav3 · 21-09-2017 05:18PM

Let me guess, someone will be along shortly to tell us they are a concerned tax paying citizen who doesn't take sides. They used to be vehemently pro-abortion. However, due to the behaviour of the liberal, lefty, main stream media and pro-choice crowd, they are now 100% anti-abortion and women should be locked up for even contemplating it.

wes · 21-09-2017 05:19PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

For a group of people who are always banging on about choice it's a bit strange that they don't want people with a different view to have any voice in the debate.

Boycott is a perfectly valid tactic, and a tactic that originates from Ireland to boot.

Galwayguy35 · 21-09-2017 05:23PM

wes wrote: »

Boycott is a perfectly valid tactic, and a tactic that originates from Ireland to boot.

I'm well aware where the tactic came from, I went to school and learned the history of my country same as you.

mosi · 21-09-2017 05:25PM

This particular group shamelessly peddles lies with regard to abortion, contraception, vaccines etc. It is the Irish branch of an American, anti-science fundamentalist organisation that is quite dangerous. Human Life International has spread lies and conspiracies in developing countries that have undermined vaccination campaigns. They also continue to peddle the MMR/autism myth.

http://geoffsshorts.blogspot.ie/2013/03/anti-vaccination-group-flies-irish.html
http://www.catholicsforchoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/HLIweb2.pdf
https://africacheck.org/2016/05/25/analysis-why-does-an-old-false-claim-about-tetanus-vaccine-safety-refuse-to-die/

GLaDOS · 21-09-2017 05:25PM

From reading the report it seems the reports of intimidation are coming from the group who had their group cancelled, albeit they claim the manager told them this. They're hardly going to be unbiased. The hotel itself hasn't commented.

While I don't agree with bullying or intimidating people for having opposing views, people are entitled to let the hotel now they disapprove. Tis free speech ironically enough.

Stonedpilot · 21-09-2017 05:25PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

For a group of people who are always banging on about choice it's a bit strange that they don't want people with a different view to have any voice in the debate.

And before somebody starts with the opinion that anyone with balls has no right to talk on this it's worth noting that many on the pro life side are women.

+1.

Most people handing out pro life flyers are women.

RobertKK · 21-09-2017 05:25PM

If someone wants to put pressure on a hotel so the event can't go ahead, it is akin to burning books so they can't be read.
It is backwards and I don't know how anyone who does this can see this behaviour as being positive or progressive. In the past we had a conservatism that did and it was wrong. The people who call themselves liberal and who do this are no better than the extreme conservatism of the past.
It is backward, it is promoting censorship of views and it is bad for what is suppose to be a free society.

Permabear · 21-09-2017 05:28PM

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WinnyThePoo · 21-09-2017 05:28PM

RobertKK wrote: »

If someone wants to put pressure on a hotel so the event cant't go ahead, it is akin to burning books so they can't be read.
It is backwards and I don't know how anyone who does this can see this behaviour as being positive or progressive. In the past we had a conservatism that did and it was wrong. The people who call themselves liberal and who do this are no better than the extreme conservatism of the past.
It is backward, it is promoting censorship of views and it is bad for what is suppose to be a free society.

Nope... It's free speech. The hotel made the decision. Maybe you should contact them and use your free speech.

super_furry · 21-09-2017 05:32PM

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There’s only the word of the event organisers to go on there and frankly I wouldn’t consider them reliable. If the hotel confirmed that their staff were threatened, that would be a very different story.

Permabear · 21-09-2017 05:33PM

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SafeSurfer · 21-09-2017 05:34PM

The shocking thing is that anyone is surprised.

Paul Murphy was on the Tonight Show last night. He said since the water protest is over Abortion is their next target. Asked why they were at 1% in the polls he said they were largely a street protest movement and as the street agitation died away they slumped in the polls.
We all know the tactics. Thuggery, intimidation, harrsssment.
Not debate, just abuse.

WinnyThePoo · 21-09-2017 05:34PM

mosi wrote: »

This particular group shamelessly peddles lies with regard to abortion, contraception, vaccines etc. It is the Irish branch of an American, anti-science fundamentalist organisation that is quite dangerous. Human Life International has spread lies and conspiracies in developing countries that have undermined vaccination campaigns. They also continue to peddle the MMR/autism myth.

http://geoffsshorts.blogspot.ie/2013/03/anti-vaccination-group-flies-irish.html
http://www.catholicsforchoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/HLIweb2.pdf
https://africacheck.org/2016/05/25/analysis-why-does-an-old-false-claim-about-tetanus-vaccine-safety-refuse-to-die/

The pdf file.

'father Thomas eutener tenure as president took him from training as an exorcist to admitting to sexually abusing young women during exorcisms'

Da fuq

eviltwin · 21-09-2017 05:37PM

This isn't just a pro life meeting. It's a meeting to discuss the link between abortion and breast cancer, in other words junk science. I don't blame the hotel cancelling, who needs to have their name associated with quacks who believe God punishes women who have abortion with cancer.

Walter Bishop · 21-09-2017 05:38PM

Indo rag nonsense - only the claims of the conference organiser to go on, no comment from the hotel, no link to this supposed Facebook page etc. etc. That which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.

Permabear · 21-09-2017 05:38PM

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January · 21-09-2017 05:39PM

This has nothing to do with 'free speech' or people not wanting a different view to theirs aired. The conference was perpetuating horrible mistruths that abortion raises the risk of breast cancer in women, which is simply not true and why people felt the need to speak up and say something. One of the women who went to speak to the hotel manager in person was shot down and actually screeched at in the hotel lobby by an assistant manager at the hotel (the manager has since apologised on her behalf to this person).

Funny how when it's the anti-choice crowd calling and dropping into venues to announce their displeasure at pro-choice meetings (Captain America's in Blanchardstown said they had numerous calls and drop-ins from people telling them they would never use the restaurant again but they let the meeting go ahead and Douglas and Kaldi in Ashtown cancelled the meeting because of the anti-choice crowd), there's no uproar online about it.

wes · 21-09-2017 05:39PM

Permabear wrote: »

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Yeah, according to the pro-life guy. I took everything he said with a pinch of salt, as its in his interest to exaggerate. He put his own spin on things.

People have the right to show up and express there opinion, and seeing as the hotel didn't call the guards, or have security remove them, they can't have been all that intimidating.

super_furry · 21-09-2017 05:42PM

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Because they want the whole thing to just go away I’d imagine. The people organising this event deal in lies and mistruths aimed at scaring women. This event itself was aimed at telling women that they’re going to get breast cancer if they have an abortion so I wouldn’t believe a single word from them.

SafeSurfer · 21-09-2017 05:58PM

wes wrote: »

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Yeah, according to the pro-life guy. I took everything he said with a pinch of salt, as its in his interest to exaggerate. He put his own spin on things.

People have the right to show up and express there opinion, and seeing as the hotel didn't call the guards, or have security remove them, they can't have been all that intimidating.[/quote]

Victim blaming

eviltwin · 21-09-2017 05:58PM

It's possible the hotel probably didn't even know what the content of the meeting was going to be when it was booked. No wonder they ran a mile from it when it came out what the content was.

Hotel Cancels Pro life event due to Intimidation.

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