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The lonely and often cruel world of porn

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  • #92
    123shooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭123shooter


    corner of hells wrote: »
    I choose the wrong profession , I'm an electrician , I have to.pull my own wire.

    :eek: Shocking !


  • #93
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,932 ✭✭✭take everything


    Nothing against porn as such but I'm always amazed at the extremity of men's fantasies when it comes to porn.

    Psychosexually there is a whole lot of fcuking weirdos out there.

    It's no longer about a woman's sexual allure or beauty. And there's only one way porn goes like any drug or food addiction. Escalation. Boiled frog analogy.

    Ah I don't care. But a lot of dopey men out there addicted to this stuff rationalising it away.
    More annoying than anything else.


  • #94
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,360 ✭✭✭limnam


    take everything wrote: »

    Ah I don't care. But a lot of dopey men and women out there addicted to this stuff rationalising it away.
    More annoying than anything else.

    FYP


  • #95
    BrokenArrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,548 ✭✭✭BrokenArrows


    fryup wrote: »
    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    excuse me, i never looked at pornography in my life

    Haha. A quick search for your posts and the word "porn" would suggest otherwise.


  • #96
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    fryup wrote: »
    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    excuse me, i never looked at pornography in my life



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  • #97
    scamalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭scamalert


    there is no need to make porn anymore as one comedian said if you were to put kid to watch porn alphabetically 50 years later he still would be in anal section :D


  • #98
    jamesbere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jamesbere


    take everything wrote: »
    Nothing against porn as such but I'm always amazed at the extremity of men's fantasies when it comes to porn.

    Psychosexually there is a whole lot of fcuking weirdos out there.

    It's no longer about a woman's sexual allure or beauty. And there's only one way porn goes like any drug or food addiction. Escalation. Boiled frog analogy.

    Ah I don't care. But a lot of dopey men out there addicted to this stuff rationalising it away.
    More annoying than anything else.

    Hey don't bash tentacle porn :D


  • #99
    lazybones32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    take everything wrote: »
    Nothing against porn as such but I'm always amazed at the extremity of men's fantasies when it comes to porn.

    Psychosexually there is a whole lot of fcuking weirdos out there.

    It's no longer about a woman's sexual allure or beauty. And there's only one way porn goes like any drug or food addiction. Escalation. Boiled frog analogy.

    Ah I don't care. But a lot of dopey men out there addicted to this stuff rationalising it away.
    More annoying than anything else.

    You should read up on women's fantasies!...

    I was 'friends'* with a few women on a Yahoo! group a few years ago and every one of them had her own fetish and were only too willing to divulge. Some were standard, some were far out.



    * - i was friendly in an online capacity; they were majority yanks, so i never met them and wouldn't consider them a friend.


  • #100
    [Deleted User]
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    jamesbere wrote: »
    Hey don't bash tentacle porn :D

    I gave up on it after it went mainstream;

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086034/


  • #101
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    lazybones32 wrote: »
    "Buttman", actor, producer and distributor of porn had a documentary-style show made about him years ago, which was shown on Bravo. A teenage girl sought an industry introduction but the same girl was the daughter of someone he knew, so he took her to the lower budget studio productions, to show her that the glitz, glamour and fancy sets aren't the norm but the exception. She was brought to a motel room where 2 or 3 guys were going to plough some woman and it was being recorded on a hand-held camera.

    Stagliano, yeah, but yet you highlight that it was being shot with a handheld camera like that's a bad thing. Handheld camera shot porn is what made Stagliano a multi millionaire. Himself, Seymore Butts and Pier Woodman transformed the industry at a time when it was all fake boobs and cheesy dialogue features. Today almost all porn is Gonzo, so much so that the name is almost redundant as a result and the girls making the most from the industry are shooting that genre.

    If there's anyone that should get sympathy in the porn industry, it's the guys. They get paid fcuk all compared to women, for doing the same work (some could argue more work) and they rarely become big name stars unless they produce/direct, like James Deen or a Rocco. Ron Jeremy the exception of course but he only became the name he did because ugly guys needed someone they could relate to.

    I guess my point was that you can focus on whatever section of the industry you want and make a story about that to reflect whatever narrative it is that you want to but that's true of almost all industries. I remember watching a docu years ago about this filthy little hackney firm in Birmingham where ten of the drivers had topped themselves but to say that it was a true reflection of what the average taxi driver's life is like, would be a nonsense.

    You could do the same with the restaurant industry too, and show what it's like to work in the kitchens of run down back street takeaways. Follow a few people home to their bedsits and show them crying after washing dishes for 8 hours straight. Or you could go the other route and show some high end Michelin star places where the staff earn more, work in better conditions, drive better cars. Don't see why the pron industry would or should be any different. It's runs the gamut, from squalor to decadence and why wouldn't it.


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  • #102
    Hammer89
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    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Stagliano, yeah, but yet you highlight that it was being shot with a handheld camera like that's a bad thing. Handheld camera shot porn is what made Stagliano a multi millionaire. Himself, Seymore Butts and Pier Woodman transformed the industry at a time when it was all fake boobs and cheesy dialogue features. Today almost all porn is Gonzo, so much so that the name is almost redundant as a result and the girls making the most from the industry are shooting that genre.

    Is that when they shag puppets?


  • #103
    philstar
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    some guys would prefer to talk about food than ****...


  • #104
    Permabear
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  • #105
    _Dara_
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    Irish Guitarist wrote: »
    Naked women are great but I've never liked porn involving a man and a woman. I've never seen an attractive woman and thought "she'd look even better if she was having sex with a man who isn't me" or "her face would be even nicer with jizz all over it".

    Kinda my issue with porn too. I have no interest in seeing any kind of money shot ever. I love men, I am as heterosexual as they come but seeing random semen will never, ever do it for me.

    I love good sex scenes in films. You know, where you can feel the chemistry between the actors and it's shot in a really hot, sexy manner. Porn is just totally devoid of that, it really is like watching a National Geographic documentary about human mating rituals.

    I guess really, I just think that from the outside, sex generally doesn't look pretty unless there is a talented director with a good eye behind the camera. That's why orgies just seem like they'd be a totally awkward, unerotic experience to me actually.


  • #106
    Hammer89
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    I honestly worry about teenage lads these days because of porn. I think there's going to be a lot of young fellas experiencing a much more severe case of teenage angst than previous generations, based on earlier exposure to the type of content which can and does leave fully-grown men insecure, let alone actual children. If you have a smart phone, which kids invariably do these days, then you have the same access as everybody else to material which, frankly, teenage boys and girls (and possibly even younger) are not ready to see.

    I'm sure there are ways in which parents can limit what their kids can search for on their phones, but is it a no-brainer that most of them have such restrictions on theirs? I really wouldn't have thought so. I don't even know if you can limit these things on an iPhone - I'd hope so - but the fact I don't know means some 43-year-old mother isn't going to know either. The onus is certainly on her to investigate if that function exists, but let's assume that many of them don't; some might not care, some might forget, and some probably don't realise the consequences of their child watching hardcore porn.

    What are the consequences? Well, I don't know because thankfully my generation was nowhere near as exposed, but I can imagine. We didn't have the same accessibility, which means we were shielded from the harsh reality that our cocks are small in comparison to male porn actors because we didn't have the basis for comparison. By the time we figured it out, we were old enough to know that the men in porn represent a tiny percentile of men.

    Problem is, teenagers who aren't even fully grown in that department do have that basis of comparison which we lacked and it's going to wreak havoc on their mental state. Most of them are perfectly normal as far as size goes but by the time they're fully grown they'll have believed for quite a while that they're inadequate because of their early exposure. It's going to f*ck up their confidence, their self-esteem, their sex life and, saddest of all, their capacity to form intimate relationships with the opposite or same sex going forward in life.

    The penis is a big deal and, because of porn, I believe it's a way bigger concern for young lads now than probably ever before.


  • #107
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    remember what it says in the good book....

    "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY'; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart"

    Matthew 5: 27-28


  • #108
    Permabear
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  • #109
    [Deleted User]
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    take everything wrote: »
    Nothing against porn as such but I'm always amazed at the extremity of men's fantasies when it comes to porn. Psychosexually there is a whole lot of fcuking weirdos out there.

    Could the same not be said about any entertainment really? Could you imagine what any of the soap operas would be like if they showed how most people _actually_ live their lives? Instead they show an extreme caricature version of life.

    Why would porn be any different? Do we really want to see a porn video of two drunks coming home with half eaten kebabs - go for a quick whizz in the bathroom - then rut a bit for 90 seconds missionary before falling asleep?

    Like any entertainment medium - people often want an exaggerated or distorted version of reality to watch on screen. Not everyone of course. Myself and my girlfriends watch mostly abby winters porn which is pretty tame and straight forward as porn goes and short of outright amateur is probably closer to how "real" people have sex than most porn is.

    But I guess it depends exactly what you mean by extreme or weird. But generally I have not seen much in the way of fantasy or imagination in most porn I have seen. Perhaps you have examples of what you mean?
    take everything wrote: »
    And there's only one way porn goes like any drug or food addiction. Escalation. Boiled frog analogy.

    You started that analogy from the viewpoint of addiction though. Most people are not addicted to food or drugs. Most people use their drugs (if any) and food in moderation.

    So not only do I not think all addictions escalates in the first place - I am not sure an analogy starting from the point of addiction is a fair one. Like food and drugs - I doubt most users of porn are addicted.

    If someone has a porn addiction then their problem is one of addiction though - not one of porn.
    fryup wrote: »
    I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart

    Not sure what relevance a bronze age advocate of thought crimes has to the thread really - but thought crime is not really a thing these days outside places like North Korea.
    Hammer89 wrote: »
    I can imagine. We didn't have the same accessibility, which means we were shielded from the harsh reality that our cocks are small in comparison to male porn actors

    I am not convinced that is an issue for many really. Many of us grew up doing PE and swimming using the school changing rooms where we very quickly found out what our relative size to our peers were.

    As for comparing ourselves to actors - be it porn or otherwise - do many people do that? Could the same not be said about watching James Bond or many Hollywood movies when we feel inadequate in comparison to the chiselled bodies of the actors there too? In a world of Hollywood movies and glamour magazines is there any reason to single out porn for selecting actors that might make us feel relatively inadequate?


  • #110
    sbsquarepants
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Indeed, the exposure of some porn actors has had devastating consequences for them.

    I doubt too many of them are really the private type!

    Here's a crazy idea - if you don't want mammy and daddy to know about the intimate details of your sex life, don't film yourself getting bummed by an entire football team and then put it on the fúcking internet!


  • #111
    Hammer89
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I am not convinced that is an issue for many really. Many of us grew up doing PE and swimming using the school changing rooms where we very quickly found out what our relative size to our peers were.

    As for comparing ourselves to actors - be it porn or otherwise - do many people do that? Could the same not be said about watching James Bond or many Hollywood movies when we feel inadequate in comparison to the chiselled bodies of the actors there too? In a world of Hollywood movies and glamour magazines is there any reason to single out porn for selecting actors that might make us feel relatively inadequate?

    I'm pretty sure the majority of men would opt for a nine-inch mickey over six-pack abs if you gave them the choice. I think it's a much bigger source of envy, perhaps because there's absolutely nothing they can do about it, which isn't the case when they see a sculpted body.

    As for the school thing, that didn't happen in my school. I didn't see anyone's knob in school.


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  • #112
    sbsquarepants
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    Hammer89 wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure the majority of men would opt for a nine-inch mickey over six-pack abs if you gave them the choice..


    I'd love a six-pack alright.....but not if it means having a smaller mickey:D


  • #113
    [Deleted User]
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    Hammer89 wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure the majority of men would opt for a nine-inch mickey over six-pack abs if you gave them the choice.

    Not sure that has anything to do with my point really - but even if it did I am not sure I would pretend to speak for "most men" in this regard. You certainly do not speak for me.

    For example if I was single I would likely also realise that when trying to attract the opposite sex it is your looks not your penis that is on display to do the attracting.

    But as I said my point was not based on discussing one envy _relative_ to another. The point is just that our entire entertainment industry is pumping out things that potentially make people feel inadequate (the effect of glamour magazines on the self esteem of young girls is one I have oft heard discussed for example).

    So it just seems odd to me that some people single out porn for doing this when it is by far not an issue that area of the entertainment industry has any exclusivity over by far.


  • #114
    o1s1n
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    Master of the Universe


    fryup wrote: »
    remember what it says in the good book....

    "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY'; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart"

    Matthew 5: 27-28

    There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

    Ezekiel 23:20


  • #115
    Permabear
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  • #116
    123shooter
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Not sure that has anything to do with my point really - but even if it did I am not sure I would pretend to speak for "most men" in this regard. You certainly do not speak for me.

    For example if I was single I would likely also realise that when trying to attract the opposite sex it is your looks not your penis that is on display to do the attracting.

    Not always true as my old mate had a big mickey and even though some women pulled faces of disgust at such a mention of the thing, first chance they got they seemed to avail of it.
    But as I said my point was not based on discussing one envy _relative_ to another. The point is just that our entire entertainment industry is pumping out things that potentially make people feel inadequate (the effect of glamour magazines on the self esteem of young girls is one I have oft heard discussed for example).

    But no one wants to look at ugly people. In porn they do as all shapes, sizes and looks appear in it.


  • #117
    123shooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭123shooter


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Depends whether one goes dogging in June or January.


  • #118
    Hammer89
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    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    I'm well aware of that and I mentioned that point in the longer post but I wouldn't trust a 14-year-old lad to reach that conclusion. I think he'd be questioning his own size and that's the point.

    When me and my friends were 14, we weren't burdened by such worries because the only pornographic material available to us was either a women-only magazine or Men and Motors or something.


  • #119
    [Deleted User]
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    123shooter wrote: »
    Not always true

    Nothing ever is :) Which is why I try to right in general terms rather than absolutes. But in the vast majority of cases - I suspect - when people are finding other people attractive (or not) it is not their genitalia that is on display so much as the general shape and form of their whole physique.
    123shooter wrote: »
    But no one wants to look at ugly people. In porn they do as all shapes, sizes and looks appear in it.

    Which just makes it yet more baffling in cases where people single out porn for narratives of "It makes the viewer feel inadequate". As you say here - not only can other areas of the entertainment industry be accused of it - sometimes they can be accused of it more so.
    Hammer89 wrote: »
    I'm well aware of that and I mentioned that point in the longer post but I wouldn't trust a 14-year-old lad to reach that conclusion. I think he'd be questioning his own size and that's the point.

    It is possible for sure - but probably more so for people like yourself who apparently got through those years without anything else to compare it to. Many of us however during our teen years had innumerable experiences of nudity with our peers - many in school or swimming and the like - to have a more general expectation built up.

    So perhaps the problem here is not porn - but the exposure of children and teens to nudity (or in this case the lack of exposure) in a way that maintains an ignorance that porn then exacerbates.

    Now I need a punch line about "porn" and words ending in "bates" but I can not quite get one. :)


  • #120
    CruelCoin
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    deandean wrote: »
    Porn stars doing escort work you say? Wow. Out of interest, any links?

    I've never understood the distinction people try to make between being a porn star and being an escort/hooker.

    Whether you are filmed or not, you're having sex for money.

    It's no better than a janitor calling himself a "custodial engineer"


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  • #121
    [Deleted User]
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    CruelCoin wrote: »
    I've never understood the distinction people try to make between being a porn star and being an escort/hooker. Whether you are filmed or not, you're having sex for money.

    I can see a few distinctions there though. In terms of pornography you are selling all kinds of rights to privacy - and rights to your image - and the distribution of your product by a third party in a way an escort-client encounter would not. An escort can stop working and take their product off the market so to speak - in a way someone who's image is being sold by a third party never can.


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