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Chasing the sub 50 10k - for what seems like forever

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bluesquare


    Thanks guys - love finding out better ways to use my watch ! I can see I can change one of the screen settings to include average heart rate which is good for easy runs - I usually use second screen for lap details but on an easy run it probably doesn't matter . Oh you can do lap hr as well !! Exciting ! Now I don't have enough fields for everything I want to put in !

    Now has anyone ever adjusted their max heart rate from the generic 220- age ? Did you use the max heart rate that your watch showed up or do some eloborate fitness test ?? Just hoping my real max heart rate is higher so I can go at my perceived easy pace ! 😂


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    Bluesquare wrote: »
    Now has anyone ever adjusted their max heart rate from the generic 220- age ? Did you use the max heart rate that your watch showed up or do some eloborate fitness test ?? Just hoping my real max heart rate is higher so I can go at my perceived easy pace ! ��

    Absolutely! you absolutely must do your own max HR test in order to use HR training effectively, otherwise you could be way off on your calculations. There are some very easy and quick tests you can do - nothing elaborate or time consuming needed!

    1. Do a 5K race flat out, whatever max you reach in the race you can take as your max HR
    2. Go to a track, do a few warm up laps then: flat out x 400m, jog 400m, flat out x 400, jog 400 and finallly one more flat out 400m.

    There are other similar kinds of workouts, some involve hill sprints etc but you get the idea. Do something that raises your HR to your max. Don't waste your time with internet formulas or the watches own rankings.

    So, what are your running plans for this evening now BS :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bluesquare


    Cheers!

    Nearly lost a lung running for the train ! I'd say my max heart rate would have popped up there !

    My max heart rate has come up as over 190 in the past . Surely that has to be an error - me being 41 and all!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Kennyg71


    Bluesquare wrote: »
    Cheers!

    Nearly lost a lung running for the train ! I'd say my max heart rate would have popped up there !

    My max heart rate has come up as over 190 in the past . Surely that has to be an error - me being 41 and all!

    My max is in low 200's and l'm older than you, it's genitics, nothing to do with fitness. Your resting rate will lower with fitness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bluesquare


    Kennyg71 wrote: »
    My max is in low 200's and l'm older than you, it's genitics, nothing to do with fitness. Your resting rate will lower with fitness.

    Deadly !! Just checked my last 5k from a couple of weeks back and max heart rate was 188.

    I know your going to tell me now that I should be running in the easy zone not the aerobic zone and I still have to go very slow . :(

    Thanks you guys delighted !


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bluesquare


    To end the "step back" week off I trotted off ten slow miles Saturday morning @ 6:08 min k. Great run nice and chatty , solved the world's problems while keeping in aerobic zone all before breakfast .

    After a party Saturday night and a couple of beverages I waited until Sunday evening to attempt a recovery . I thought I'd run with the weather so when it got particularly hairy I'd turn and go home - so I managed 3k kept going for an extra .2 to bring it to four mile . I apologise that somehow it got confusing and I ended up with 6.69 k and just couldn't be bothered running past my house.

    Anyway the pace was messed up due to the wind , All in the aerobic zone which now feels odd since I adjusted the max heart rate (149 bmp) . I didn't try to go slow which I'm feeling incredibly guilty about because I was doing so well with slow , but it was horrible out there, I wanted to get home! The second part of the run whilst faster seemed effortless as I was literally flying! What a deadly feeling cruising along with the wind at your back!! Also I had refused companionship as I didn't want to ruin my slowness :)

    Anyways 6.69k@ 5:45 min k

    That brings the weekly total to 44.2 k . So not bad.

    Next week will be lighter mileage wise as I have a wedding corkside at the weekend .

    A big session planned for Tuesday !! We are nearly at the ultimate workout ......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    Bluesquare wrote: »

    I didn't try to go slow which I'm feeling incredibly guilty about because I was doing so well with slow , but it was horrible out there, I wanted to get home! The second part of the run whilst faster seemed effortless as I was literally flying! What a deadly feeling cruising along with the wind at your back!! Also I had refused companionship as I didn't want to ruin my slowness :)

    Who are you and what did you do with Bluesquare??? :pac:
    Bluesquare wrote: »
    A big session planned for Tuesday !! We are nearly at the ultimate workout ......

    This is getting exciting... when is your 10k race??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    I think you're definitely forgiven for not going slowly in that apocalyptic weather yesterday! As long as you're on your best behaviour from today ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bluesquare


    The race is on the 15th of October . There I said it. No hiding now !!!!

    It's the Marie keating 10k picked for the date. I'm guessing it has hills bring on the park and all.

    Have a coulple of back up plans . Brain tumour Ireland have a tenk Corkaigh Park which is dead flat and there is a local enough run in November as well .

    So all things going well I'll be changing the name of the log by xmas!!!

    I'm thinking if Sarah Palin can .....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bluesquare


    What a night . My husband thinks I have finally lost the plot . Tell you what though there were lots of crazies out there , probably marathon runners mind.

    Ok so the warm up wasn't the longest only about 1k@6:30. (It was a bit wet you know)

    Then 3k at supposed race pace . Now the problem was here is that there wasn't a huge amount of visibility to look at watch and pace properly - made worse by me being a glasses wearer .( I did have a cap on but it was worse then useless)

    So the first three k 4:52,4:57,4:54, a jog rest and a stop to try and clean off face and glasses . Then off again for second set , 4:57,4:55,4:56. Happy with this one in particular as a hilly section and wind had started to pick up. I felt a bit weak at the beginning of first one but ignored it and pushed through. Another 5 mins jog rest including stopping to wipe face,watch etc.

    Couldn't see the pace on watch I think I may have pushed too hard in places.

    The last set of 2k was a bit of a disaster . The first k was ok - 5 min k but the second was 5:21. Very not happy about that . Again I couldn't see the pace but thought I was clipping along nicely . I couldn't see a thing at this stage and had landed in the middle of lots of puddles, fell up pavements etc so that may have messed with pace . The first set was obviously too fast so there would have been so tiring issues . I'm hopeful that in a race I'd be able to see watch and pace a bit better??

    Anyway glad to have it done .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Kennyg71


    I'd take that on a manky night, good session well done. Remember you are building to a crescendo, your going really well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭ariana`


    That's a brilliant session bs. I can't string 2 sub 5 min kms together in training never mind 2 sets of 3!!!! I'm so impressed. You're definitely very close to the big sub 50!! Exciting times ahead :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    great session, all coming together for you now. There's something invigorating about running in the rain!!!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    Sounds like you did great to me!! Not easy in awful weather and you still ran really well, you'll be in great shape for the race!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭S.L.F.


    This is great running and sounds like you're really enjoying it too! Good luck with your race now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bluesquare


    Quick up date ;

    Thursday - 6 mile steady@ 5:45
    Friday - ten mile @ ten min mile
    Big rest until tomorrow

    Might have agreed to do the half marathon on Saturday ! Sure how bad can it be ??? I've lots of training done .... well two ten miles in three months . Eek

    The plan is do just do it as a LSR . Adding three miles from last week ??? Dunno why I want to do just think I want to do races without racing so not can caught up in result .

    I don't think there should be any issue really ? It shouldn't effect my ten k training . I'm going to run with some peeps from work don't by their first half !!!

    Not planning on tapering . Doing a tough s soon Tuesday and a 3/4 miles slow Thursday ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Kennyg71


    I wouldn't jump up to running a Half, an extra 3 miles is big jump from where you are you are likely to be extending running time by 30 odd minutes, which is a big jump, you've been going well, why not stick to the your plan, them extra 3 miles could mess up last few weeks training for your 10k.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bluesquare


    Kennyg71 wrote: »
    I wouldn't jump up to running a Half, an extra 3 miles is big jump from where you are you are likely to be extending running time by 30 odd minutes, which is a big jump, you've been going well, why not stick to the your plan, them extra 3 miles could mess up last few weeks training for your 10k.

    I thought you might let me away with it !!! I suspected that you or annapr would call me out and secretely hoping you would!! Of course your right dunno what I was thinking yesterday must have been still drunk from the wedding at the weekend ! I don't even like half marathons ! You have given sound advice to date so no reason to stop listening now ! Thanks again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    Bluesquare wrote: »
    I thought you might let me away with it !!! I suspected that you or annapr would call me out and secretely hoping you would!! Of course your right dunno what I was thinking yesterday must have been still drunk from the wedding at the weekend ! I don't even like half marathons ! You have given sound advice to date so no reason to stop listening now ! Thanks again

    :pac: :pac:

    For a minute I thought the real Bluesquare had escaped from the closet :pac::

    As G says, if it's not in the plan, don't do it... your 10k training is going so well, we will be really mad at you if you sabotage it! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bluesquare


    annapr wrote: »
    :pac: :pac:

    For a minute I thought the real Bluesquare had escaped from the closet :pac::

    As G says, if it's not in the plan, don't do it... your 10k training is going so well, we will be really mad at you if you sabotage it! :D

    I couldn't bear it if you were cross so I better behave myself . Although after last nights performance I don't think I need a half marathon to self sabotage !


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bluesquare


    My resting heart rate has been acting weird since about this day last week. It would normally be high the day after a tough session and would settle late evening . Since last week its has become a bit jumpy , so one minute 46 then jumped to 70 etc. Im not constantly checking it but when I feel a bit weird I'll look ! A weekend at a family wedding is also distorting the numbers but I just feel off. I've booked blood tests next week to check out usual suspects . I'm very precious.

    Anyways I had three days no running and another mammoth session last night . Hit all the targets

    First 3k : 5:05,456,4:58
    Second 3k: 4:45,4:54,4:57
    2k: 4:49,4:59

    It felt horrific , like a bad race . I was mostly in red all of the time . All of the others I felt strong and heart rate was strong and steady . My buddies think I'm nuts because I clearly hit the pace but some of them didn't . I think some of the problem was that the pace setter is coming back from fitness and started too fast and I followed then when she slowed I kept going cause wanted to make those targets , this meant in reality I was racing. So used to being behind being out front I got carried away . King of training .

    Anyway it hurt a lot and today my heat rate is mostly over 70 which is awful.

    I don't appear to be coming down with anything. Hopefully just life stresses. Next week a break from this crazy session before doing the full monty right two weeks before race.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    Bluesquare wrote: »
    I couldn't bear it if you were cross so I better behave myself . Although after last nights performance I don't think I need a half marathon to self sabotage !

    that was a great session, hopefully nothing sinister in the HR and you're not coming down with anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Kennyg71


    You probably need to test resting heart rate, first thing in the morning, before coffee, work, and peple come into the equation, as once your up and moving around, even unseasonly warm weather will affect it. Session should be hard,and looks like you where running stronger as session progressed, l'd say it was a good one, make sure to run recovery run, and keep the rest easy, ru recovery as slow as possible you'll be suprised how much they help once you drag yourself out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    Life stress can have a major impact on your heart rate and how you feel generally, in my experience! Sounds like you did great in the session, sometimes it just feels crap anyway but you were able for it, that's what matters!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    +1 to what KennyG has said. Your true resting heart rate is the rate you take before you get out of bed in the morning, before your feet touch the ground. Everything else is just an average reading, so for e.g. my RHR is usally around 48bpm. I've just looked there and its currently 75, I'm just sitting a desk typing but I'm not resting, and that's about average for being in work, it's usually around 80-90 when I walk the dog and it would normally be about 68-70 watching TV.

    Don't focus too much on what your HR is throughout the day, as long as your morning RHR is consistent and your easy run HR is the same for your easy run pace you don't really need to worry too much about it. The indicator that something is wrong (coming down with a cold, over training etc) is when you RHR, taken while still in bed, has risen a considerable number of BPM for a few days in a row.

    There's never any harm to get some tests done of course but try not to focus too much on what your HR does on a given day. As KG said, even warm weather can affect it, what you ate for breakfast etc!!

    Well done on the session, I need a rest just reading it :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bluesquare


    Thanks guys - I should probably stop wearing the watch as I'm nothing if not obsessive.!!

    Anyways Thursday :

    5 mile with 8*400 at alleged 5k pace with 200m active recovery

    1 mile warm up @ 6:10min k
    400m - 7:44,7:23,722,721,705,730,712,652(min miles)
    2k cool down @ 9:52 min mile

    As you can see disaster . The aim was to have a kind of fartkek session . I could not pace properly and went too fast and ended up having to walk/jog recover for the last 4. So it was kind of a nothing session . Good for weight loss though


    Saturday : No half marathon . (Thankfully)

    LSR: chatty 10 mile @ 9:44min mile (all in aerobic zone)

    Sunday: Ran with the slow run sabotagers. Managed to contain them slightly and did 10k in 58:58mins. Would have preferred a slower run but it was one of those days that I needed company to get out the door .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭hot buttered scones


    Bluesquare wrote: »

    5 mile with 8*400 at alleged 5k pace with 200m active recovery


    "Alleged 5k pace" - love it. I'm robbing that for my own log.
    Keep up up the good work!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bluesquare


    Friday morning and I am exhausted . Already making excuses not to do a ten miler in morning - the other fella in my head is having none of it . Ba****d.

    Anyways Tuesday:

    Fartlek with long intervals(saving last McMillan session until next week)

    Fartleks are fun. Everyone gets a chance to lead and you can't overtake the leader .

    Warm up - 3.2k @ 6:13
    Approx 4K worth of fast bits ranging from 300m to 800m with pace in between vo2 max and 5k pace (4:36-4:46)

    Approx. 2.3k of slow bits in between @ average pace of about 6:40

    Then a mile give or take cool down

    Total run: 11k

    This was a nice session and a welcome break from the tough sessions we have been doing lately . This felt challenging without pressure to meet target paces .


    Thursday:

    Now I hate Thursday lunchtime running . It's always hard and I never throw the moves I expect given my extreme athleticism. Sigh

    So I decided not to bother with the session as it was never going to work out anyway . I can only do 5 mile and just ran out of the house with no plan . Warmed up for about 1k then decided to run at a comfortable steady pace secretely hoping this would be deadly fast . It wasn't 5:20 min kwas the best I seem to manage and it wasn't feeling that comfortable . Sped up slightly to 5:10 for a k then slowed down again to 5:17. Took a little breather ( this is standard on Thursday runs) then headed back - the return journey always easier as wind at back and mostly a slight decline .

    I did the first k back in 4:53 and it felt easier then any of the above. I knew a difficult hill was presenting itself shortly so I did a nice easy k at 6:10. as I wasn't feeling martyrish

    I went back then to comfortable steady and going with the legs and ran a 5:30k . Then just to really bring the old blue square back out of the closet finished it off with a fast k of 4:50.

    What a crap run. I just went into granular detail to remind myself next time to have a goddamn plan .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    :pac: you are funny... so much easier if you go out with a plan to rebel against, instead of just random rebellion...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bluesquare


    No long run done on Saturday couldn't get out of bed . After a lot of cake ran tenk k later on in the evening at a 6:09 mink. It felt easy but I thought I was clipping along . I'm still waiting to be surprised and the end of the run by an amazing pace despite feeling the run was easy .

    Legs starting to hurt , shins, calves , butt etc etc . Good job rub planned for Thursday . I should really roll myself but sleep always seems more appealing .

    Five miles done Sunday evening , again at 6:00 mink.

    Getting a head cold and not feeling very motivated right now . Need to stock up on vitamin D!!!

    And knees I forgot knees . They ache as well.


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