High Noon with George Hook.

foxtrot101 · 18-09-2017 04:46PM

anna080 wrote: »

There's enough detail in there for me to believe it's insight from a credible source.
Of course he's gonna say it's rubbish, what else can he say.

He could be saying it's rubbish because it is rubbish.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 18-09-2017 04:49PM

Morgans wrote: »

What?? What are the two separate points that Im trying to make into one. Your post sounds intelligent but isnt saying anything.

George's fans for a week have been talking as if he was Christopher Hitchens pointing out the hypocrisy in the modern world, and providing a lone voice against the consensus. That, you dont have to like it, but he has every right to say what he needs to say. This is aside from the victim blaming, the dog whistling anti immigrant, anti science etc etc etc. that he does. But isnt it a terrible state of affairs that someone who is swimming against the tide, and asking the questions everyone is afraid to ask, is being sacked because the cosy consensus, exemplified by COD, cant handle the truth.

Except when you are asking questions that are actually tacking the mainstream and not just ****stirring for 30 text, like the Rubberbandits did, then George gets all offended that they were allowed to insult the majority religion of the country with our licence fee. One step away from Fox News's war on Christmas.

The tackling the man, not the ball, response to the rubberbandits is also very fox news.

Seriously, read letters to a young contrarian/ watch Christopher Hitchens for someone who asked the hard questions with the rigour to back it up. Compare that to the nonsense that Hook parades as informed opinion. Ye'll enjoy it.

They are two separate points to me anyway. Even if the first is advocating for less free speech and the second is defending free speech.

1. George thinks that the Late Late Show should not be allowed have people on that speak in a blasphemous way about Christianity.

2. People (listeners) think George should be allowed to say what he wants on air without being fired (within reason obviously).

I will agree that the video shows Hook in a bad light and I think he was wrong. I also got a good chuckle out of the way he said haunted bread. Two separate points.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 18-09-2017 04:55PM

Morgans wrote: »

I read it again there, and while of course it may be true, there isn't much insight in it that hasnt been speculated upon in this thread and elsewhere. Donoghue wanting Hook's job, everyone is a lefty liberal, and dont like George and Ivan (and now Pat!). It smells to me because of the lack of any insight that wasnt speculated on.

I think it could have been written by what could be compiled from this thread alone, it really doesn't offer any extra insight.

Whereas the rte secret producer on Twitter has much more credibility in being legitimate to me.

CatFromHue · 18-09-2017 04:56PM

Morgans wrote: »

Yeah, kicking against the echo chamber while accepting anonymous sources. The OTB lads made it publicly known that they fell out with Hook to the extent that they left the station and a brand they worked for a decade to create. That this doesnt get mentioned, but that the new OTB are upset over Hook's view on concussions sounds a huge stretch.

Were did they make it public?

My understanding was that the lads wanted to change things up on their show and wanted to start earlier. Management didn't want this so they resigned as they were a bit fed up or felt they were going stale in the 7-10pm slot.

They may or may not like Hook but I don't think he was the reason for leaving. Ken was on a different podcast and mentioned that his wife worked mornings and he worked nights so it worked out that they never got to see each other during the week.

foxtrot101 · 18-09-2017 04:59PM

Morgans wrote: »

I read it again there, and while of course it may be true, there isn't much insight in it that hasnt been speculated upon in this thread and elsewhere. Donoghue wanting Hook's job, everyone is a lefty liberal, and dont like George and Ivan (and now Pat!). It smells to me because of the lack of any insight that wasnt speculated on.

Plus the bit about Moncrieff and journalism degrees.

George Hook, Ivan, and Moncrieff don't have journalism degrees, and that rankles with some folks who think it makes them undeserving of their prominence

He was freelance journalist for years before he joined Newstalk and he was NUJ shop steward in the past. That bit doesn't ring true either.

Morgans · 18-09-2017 05:08PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

Were did they make it public?

My understanding was that the lads wanted to change things up on their show and wanted to start earlier. Management didn't want this so they resigned as they were a bit fed up or felt they were going stale in the 7-10pm slot.

They may or may not like Hook but I don't think he was the reason for leaving. Ken was on a different podcast and mentioned that his wife worked mornings and he worked nights so it worked out that they never got to see each other during the week.

They went to management and wanted to start OTB at 6pm, but that would eat into Hooky's time and management sided with Hook. OTB lads left. That's not speculation. There might have been a beef beforehand, and it might be that after so long they felt they were due a change, but that's why they publicly stated why they fell out with NT management.

kunst nugget · 18-09-2017 05:15PM

I'm also an anonymous, secret Newstalk producer who has decided to come forward at the same time as the Secret RTÉ producer. I can't go into too many details because people will know how I am so sssshhhhh. The real reason that Hook has been suspended is that the lizard people have hypnotised DO'B and forced him to give them high ranking positions within his media organisations. Their plan is to flood Newstalk, Today fm and other media outlets with lefty liberals in a bid to emasculate men and drive down their sperm counts thus ensuring the destruction of the homo sapien species. Hook was standing in the way of their total world domination and so they orchestrated a controversy to ensure that he would be vilified and taken off the air.

Ray Purchase · 18-09-2017 05:18PM

That post smells like horsesh**. There's absolutely nothing in there to indicate the poster has the inside track on the comings and goings at Marconi House.

Instantly suspicious of any adult who talks about others being "left wing" as if it's a binary thing and you're all one thing or all another. Obviously I'm only saying this because I'm a Khmer Rouge-loving, Stalin-kissing Maoist who wants to silence dissent and put George Hook and his listeners in a gulag.

Ray Purchase · 18-09-2017 05:20PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

I'm also an anonymous, secret Newstalk producer who has decided to come forward at the same time as the Secret RTÉ producer. I can't go into too many details because people will know how I am so sssshhhhh. The real reason that Hook has been suspended is that the lizard people have hypnotised DO'B and forced him to give them high ranking positions within his media organisations. Their plan is to flood Newstalk, Today fm and other media outlets with lefty liberals in a bid to emasculate men and drive down their sperm counts thus ensuring the destruction of the homo sapien species. Hook was standing in the way of their total world domination and so they orchestrated a controversy to ensure that he would be vilified and taken off the air.

I'd like to subscribe to your pamphlet

kunst nugget · 18-09-2017 05:27PM

Ray Purchase wrote: »

That post smells like horsesh**. There's absolutely nothing in there to indicate the poster has the inside track on the comings and goings at Marconi House.

Instantly suspicious of any adult who talks about others being "left wing" as if it's a binary thing and you're all one thing or all another. Obviously I'm only saying this because I'm a Khmer Rouge-loving, Stalin-kissing Maoist who wants to silence dissent and put George Hook and his listeners in a gulag.

Nope, everything I said is true. The reason Chris keeps losing his slots is because of his really bad BO because he uses some lefty vegan deodorant instead of something manly like Lynx Africa. It stinks up the studios and so the presenters that have to go in there after him can't handle the bang of patchouli oil or whatever it is he's wearing. Also, he farts heavily after eating beans and he eats them like everyday. Only someone with the inside scoop would know those things.

CatFromHue · 18-09-2017 05:29PM

Morgans wrote: »

They went to management and wanted to start OTB at 6pm, but that would eat into Hooky's time and management sided with Hook. OTB lads left. That's not speculation. There might have been a beef beforehand, and it might be that after so long they felt they were due a change, but that's why they publicly stated why they fell out with NT management.

Yeah I know this but this doesn't mean they had a falling out with Hook.

Ray Purchase · 18-09-2017 05:29PM

*slinks away*

styron · 18-09-2017 05:50PM

foxtrot101 wrote: »

Plus the bit about Moncrieff and journalism degrees.

He was freelance journalist for years before he joined Newstalk and he was NUJ shop steward in the past. That bit doesn't ring true either.

He studied it in Rathmines - the only way in then when journalism was still a closed shop - prestigious hard to enter course, portfolio required.

Sure staff aren't well paid (a source of animus against the likes of Hook, Kenny & Yates) ... but producers/presenters on under 20K?

She'll be sacked if Newstalk ever find out - yet off to organise a petition against Dil?

Reeks of Bollox, winding up credulous Hook disciples.

Lady Chatterton · 18-09-2017 06:00PM

foxtrot101 wrote: »

Plus the bit about Moncrieff and journalism degrees.

He was freelance journalist for years before he joined Newstalk and he was NUJ shop steward in the past. That bit doesn't ring true either.

I have no idea if the Newstalk insider post in genuine or not but the following may or may not be of interest.

To become an NUJ member, you do not need a qualification in journalism, you merely need to prove that a certain percentage (50%, I think) of your total income is derived from journalism.

With regards to presenters/broadcasters/journalists who may or may not have Degrees in Journalism.

Degrees and Masters in Journalism are a relatively recent thing. It's worth noting that most journalists in the country, particularly the household names in the RTE Newsroom and their regional correspondents would hold a Certificate in Journalism from the College of Commerce, Rathmines. Up until the mid 90's this was one of the few colleges offering journalism.

Edit: Received a phonecall in the middle of typing my post, only noticed styron's post after I had posted

foxtrot101 · 18-09-2017 06:08PM

Lady Chatterton wrote: »

I have no idea if the Newstalk insider post in genuine or not but the following may or may not be of interest.

To become an NUJ member, you do not need a qualification in journalism, you merely need to prove that a certain percentage (50%, I think) of your total income is derived from journalism.

With regards to presenters/broadcasters/journalists who may or may not have Degrees in Journalism.

Degrees and Masters in Journalism are a relatively recent thing. It's worth noting that most journalists in the country, particularly the household names in the RTE Newsroom and their regional correspondents would hold a Certificate in Journalism from the College of Commerce, Rathmines. Up until the mid 90's this was one of the few colleges offering journalism.

Yep, as styron posted, Sean went to Rathmines.

CatFromHue · 18-09-2017 06:09PM

The twit link mentioned that the OTB didn't like Hook cos of his talk about concussion.

The OTB lads regularly, and I do mean regularly, talk about the concussion and head injury problem in rugby. They do it much more and much better researched than Hook too.

constitutionus · 18-09-2017 06:29PM

Lady Chatterton wrote: »

Lets not get carried away, Jonathan was beyond painful with his smart @rsey comments. I would like Kieran Cuddihy to be given a primetime show. Maybe pair him up with someone.

I know in my bones Dr. Ciara is going to be George's replacement. I've no interest in listening to her, I'll probably listen to a podcast to bring me up to the One O'Clock News on RTE. From now on I reckon I'll only be listening to Vincent Wall (Breakfast Business), Pat Kenny, Ivan Yates (another man who hates cyclists, Harry ) and I'll continue to dip in and out of OTB.

thats almost EXACTLY what im doing now.

my plan is Pat till 10 - then its off to sean o rourked till twelve- then i stream the part of pats show ive missed till the 1 o clock news on RTE and stick there till ivan.

worked very well today. the streaming bit allows me to skip past all the ads !

though to be strictly correct i got home before Ivan started. on an aside its interesting to see that RTE seem to be responding to vincent doing the breakfast show. theyve rejigged their own business segments to get in BEFORE it at 6.20 !

Lady Chatterton · 18-09-2017 06:40PM

constitutionus wrote: »

thats almost EXACTLY what im doing now.

my plan is Pat till 10 - then its off to sean o rourked till twelve- then i stream the part of pats show ive missed till the 1 o clock news on RTE and stick there till ivan.

worked very well today. the streaming bit allows me to skip past all the ads !

though to be strictly correct i got home before Ivan started. on an aside its interesting to see that RTE seem to be responding to vincent doing the breakfast show. theyve rejigged their own business segments to get in BEFORE it at 6.20 !

That's funny, I check in with Sean O'Rourke at 10am to see what he has planned, if it seems better than Pat Kenny's I'll stick with him.

However, on a Friday, I always try to listen to 'The Gathering' on both Sean O'Rourke & Pat Kenny's programmes. God, aren't these the little pleasures that make working in a busy office more bearable.

Conservative · 18-09-2017 06:44PM

Don't believe that NT producer thing either. I reckon I could write a more convincing "insider piece" without too much effort.

I clicked on the link to Richie McCormacks Twitter page..
There's a recent tweet where he is interacting with one of their newsreaders (Michelle MacMullan) who tweeted about answering a call from a listener who was upset about George been taken off air.

Apparently this caller said if their own daughter went back to a hotel room with a stranger they hoped they'd be raped.

Richie got in on the drama and somebody rightly pointed out that linking this to what George said is ridiculous.. This would appear to be lost in Richie.

I said it a while ago on OTB thread he's a big of a sap as Ger and Joe.

maxwell smart · 18-09-2017 07:13PM

Can we get George back for a special interview with Ibrahim Halawa do you think? What could go wrong there?

constitutionus · 18-09-2017 07:22PM

maxwell smart wrote: »

Can we get George back for a special interview with Ibrahim Halawa do you think? What could go wrong there?

ya can see the transcript now !

George : " what the hell were you thinking going there ?!?!?!"

que newstalk editorial slamming the 15 sec kill switch

maxwell smart · 18-09-2017 07:23PM

constitutionus wrote: »

ya can see the transcript now !

George : " what the hell were you thinking going there ?!?!?!"

que newstalk editorial slamming the 15 sec kill switch

Yeah, be great wouldn't it?

Imagine the social media outrage!

Ash.J.Williams · 18-09-2017 07:28PM

Conservative wrote: »

Don't believe that NT producer thing either. I reckon I could write a more convincing "insider piece" without too much effort.

I clicked on the link to Richie McCormacks Twitter page..
There's a recent tweet where he is interacting with one of their newsreaders (Michelle MacMullan) who tweeted about answering a call from a listener who was upset about George been taken off air.

Apparently this caller said if their own daughter went back to a hotel room with a stranger they hoped they'd be raped.

Richie got in on the drama and somebody rightly pointed out that linking this to what George said is ridiculous.. This would appear to be lost in Richie.

I said it a while ago on OTB thread he's a big of a sap as Ger and Joe.

I saw that and it's absolutely mental... And Richie told the guy that his answer better be good or "you'll look foolish" the person answered and they went silent

It is ridiculous that Newstalk staff have to take these calls. And these are the kind of people Hook's comments embolden. https://t.co/v5hexH2XoE https:/

/t.co/v5hexH2XoE

Snake Plisken · 18-09-2017 07:51PM

Conservative wrote: »

Don't believe that NT producer thing either. I reckon I could write a more convincing "insider piece" without too much effort.

I clicked on the link to Richie McCormacks Twitter page..
There's a recent tweet where he is interacting with one of their newsreaders (Michelle MacMullan) who tweeted about answering a call from a listener who was upset about George been taken off air.

Apparently this caller said if their own daughter went back to a hotel room with a stranger they hoped they'd be raped.

Richie got in on the drama and somebody rightly pointed out that linking this to what George said is ridiculous.. This would appear to be lost in Richie.

I said it a while ago on OTB thread he's a big of a sap as Ger and Joe.

Ritchie doesn't seem to be a very nice individual again you have a Newstalk employee tweeting about a colleague, which like little Chris, totally unacceptable!

Lady Chatterton · 18-09-2017 08:17PM

styron wrote: »

Sure staff aren't well paid (a source of animus against the likes of Hook, Kenny & Yates) ... but producers/presenters on under 20K?

I have no difficulty believing that there are staff of one kind or another on such awful money.

For example: TV3 presenters earn between €40,000 and €50,000. Vincent Browne revealed that he was only being paid €58,000 to present Tonight With Vincent Browne, which is shocking when you consider his experience. So, what chance do young journalists have?

The sad fact is that there are well-known media outlets who in the past used Job Bridge to get qualified journalists to work for €50 per week instead of hiring and paying proper NUJ rates to a junior reporter.

These reporters were often used and abused - working all week, covering weekends and working all sorts of anti-social hours as they were cheaper than paying other journalists in the newsroom. All this for €50 and for the glory of saying that they worked for X publication or radio station. As soon as their Job Bridge term came to an end another sucker would be hired and it would all start all over.

The latest development now is..... Universities are contacted and they request a list of their most promising graduates. I know of a few students who were offered six months work with certain well-known organisations but they were expected to work for six months without pay and with no guarantee of a job at the end of it.

I really wish I could name and shame some of these places.

Ash.J.Williams · 18-09-2017 08:35PM

I'm aware a certain obsolete alt music station didn't pay certain staff at all (staff as in a dj and his producer)

Calhoun · 18-09-2017 08:50PM

Conservative wrote: »

Don't believe that NT producer thing either. I reckon I could write a more convincing "insider piece" without too much effort.

I clicked on the link to Richie McCormacks Twitter page..
There's a recent tweet where he is interacting with one of their newsreaders (Michelle MacMullan) who tweeted about answering a call from a listener who was upset about George been taken off air.

Apparently this caller said if their own daughter went back to a hotel room with a stranger they hoped they'd be raped.

Richie got in on the drama and somebody rightly pointed out that linking this to what George said is ridiculous.. This would appear to be lost in Richie.

I said it a while ago on OTB thread he's a big of a sap as Ger and Joe.

That tweet from Michelle cannot be real.

Ash.J.Williams · 18-09-2017 08:54PM

Calhoun wrote: »

That tweet from Michelle cannot be real.

Michelle tweeted about the call and then Richie and some other sap linked the caller to hook

Snake Plisken · 18-09-2017 09:00PM

Ritchie is a bit sensitive about the article he is throwing the libellous word around about the article! He will also block anyone who challanges him on twitter

Richard Hillman · 18-09-2017 09:00PM

I posted about a week ago that the Journal were really driving the subject and particularly the role of Donoghue in each of their stories.

After about 4 stories in a row of mentioning the prominent role of Donoghue, The Journal got an "Exclusive" on the less that 20 signatures. This was amazingly the first article where they suddenly omit mentions of Donoghue.

I thought this was strange. Firstly it was The Journal that got the exclusive. It wasn't the big news organisations like the Times, the Indo or RTE that got the exclusive on the heaviest reported news story of the week, it was an online publication run by starter journalists. So who was it that leaked the memo to The Journal?

The Politics.ie puts a lot of pieces together about Donoghue and The Journal. Not just the allegation that they drink together but if you look at Donoghue, a guy in his late 20s, matching up with the age demographics and education of The Journal writers.

Sounds like a network of College buddies, scratching each others back.

High Noon with George Hook.

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