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Jan and Klodi's Party Bus - part II **off topic discussion**

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  • #7622
    robyntmorton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,263 ✭✭✭robyntmorton


    rollingscone wrote: »
    I've long held that in Ireland you could be absolved of murdering an entire village just by complaining "Ah shure it was only a bit of craic, we had drink taken"

    "Ah shure, no real harm done. Don't do it again ye scallywag!"

    -- Judge


  • #7623
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,908 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    "Put €200 in the Poor Box on the way out and we'll say no more about it."


  • #7624
    OleRodrigo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭OleRodrigo


    He'll be back after 4 days. Its probably a bone thrown to the publicity seeking, bandwagon jumping advertisers and the social media lynch mob.


  • #7625
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,908 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    It's a reaction to the advertisers, yeah. He was suspended after a second major sponsor withdrew.

    Anyway, I'm calling for him to be executed for this. Why not? It's all a bit of harmless fun. He'd understand.


  • #7626
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    He should have got the chair!


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  • #7627
    RayCun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    OleRodrigo wrote: »
    He'll be back after 4 days. Its probably a bone thrown to the publicity seeking, bandwagon jumping advertisers and the social media lynch mob.

    perhaps you don't know what a lynch mob is?


  • #7628
    Harrybelafonte
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭Harrybelafonte


    I find the numbers that have come out in support of him more disturbing than anything else tbh.


  • #7629
    rollingscone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭rollingscone


    I felt compelled to write this in response to the mansplainations of "free speech" on the Facebook comments for Kitty Holland's IMHO misguided arguments against firing Poor Auld George:
    Newstalk isn't structured to allow discussion.

    Poor Auld George bellowing what ever putrid nonsense comes to his limited imagination in a situation where he holds an overwhelming advantage is not free speech it's propaganda.

    If I come to someone's house with a baseball bat and lecture them on my superiority it's not free speech. It doesn't matter if the ghost of Nelson Mandela spoke in the same house earlier that day.

    Freedom of speech is not freedom to deceive, damage or dictate.

    Like poor Auld George people who hold all the cards are quick to demand freedom of speech but what they really mean is freedom from resistance, freedom from their victims standing up for themselves.

    It came off surprisingly lucid considering how angry I felt at the commentary about how criticising Hooky was the end of democracy.


  • #7630
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,908 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    I wonder what size bra he takes.


  • #7631
    ford2600
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    I wonder what size bra he takes.

    I think that comment explains why 20 work colleagues signed a petition more so that what he said on air last Friday. Nasty and creepy from a position of power


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  • #7632
    OleRodrigo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭OleRodrigo


    It is interesting, but hardly disturbing (unless you're easily disturbed )

    Never would have had much time for him before this...but talk about a kicking when you're down, after he offered a sincere apology.

    He's a conservative commentator. There's nothing wrong with that. The left leaning media and commentators have shown more intolerance than anyone.


  • #7633
    RayCun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    OleRodrigo wrote: »
    He's a conservative commentator. There's nothing wrong with that.

    So blaming rape victims is a conservative value then? Interesting.
    Harassing women? That too?


  • #7634
    rollingscone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭rollingscone


    RayCun wrote: »
    So blaming rape victims is a conservative value then? Interesting.
    Harassing women? That too?

    He's a salesman for convenient fantasies. He's not commenting on anything he's making it up.


  • #7635
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,908 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    ford2600 wrote: »
    I think that comment explains why 20 work colleagues signed a petition more so that what he said on air last Friday. Nasty and creepy from a position of power


    Yes, the stories coming out about him (not anonymously) make me dislike him much more than the mild disdain I had before.


  • #7636
    OleRodrigo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭OleRodrigo


    RayCun wrote: »
    So blaming rape victims is a conservative value then? Interesting.
    Harassing women? That too?

    No its not but practicing common sense when you're out getting drunk is something every parent wishes their kids will do. That's not ' victim blaming ' ...but its interesting, and a bit sad tbh, that you have to be very careful about how you word the difference.

    I think that's where he was coming from, which is rational and fair, but chose his words badly.


  • #7637
    ford2600
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104669788&postcount=1505

    Interesting post on the controversy

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/george-hook-should-be-challenged-not-silenced-1.3219952?mode=amp

    "However, the abhorrent and deeply damaging views of women and girls, articulated by Hook, teenage boys, and our Constitution alike, must be heard. They must be challenged. They must be changed. Simply silencing them will not achieve the safe, free world we want for our daughters."


  • #7638
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,908 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    OleRodrigo wrote: »
    No its not but practicing common sense when you're out getting drunk is something every parent wishes their kids will do. That's not ' victim blaming ' ...but its interesting, and a bit sad tbh, that you have to be very careful about how you word the difference.

    I think that's where he was coming from, which is rational and fair, but chose his words badly.

    It's a subject you have to be very careful about, but that isn't how he fell foul.

    "The real issues nowadays and increasingly is the question of the personal responsibility that young girls are taking for their own safety."

    That's the "real issue", he said. Not that a girl who has casual sex with a man she likes ended up being raped by the man's friend.


  • #7639
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,352 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i find the whole 'free speech' part of the debate interesting. he's literally paid to voice his opinions, and he's not entitled to keep a job if his opinions are substandard. i'm not entitled to keep my job if i'm doing it badly.
    it's not a free speech issue.


  • #7640
    OleRodrigo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭OleRodrigo


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    It's a subject you have to be very careful about, but that isn't how he fell foul.

    "The real issues nowadays and increasingly is the question of the personal responsibility that young girls are taking for their own safety."

    That's the "real issue", he said. Not that a girl who has casual sex with a man she likes ended up being raped by the man's friend.

    He's not a bad person who believes people are to blame for crimes committed against them. He's a cartoonish, caricature of himself for the purposes of entertainment, in the same vein as Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh.

    He's not skilled in diplomacy - inevitably he's going to chose the wrong words because ' cutting through the pc bullcrap ' is why people listen to him.

    But he offered an apology for his wrong words and a fair response would have been to accept his apology. You have to wonder why so many wont accept a sincere apology from someone who isn't a bad person to begin with, IMHO.


  • #7641
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8


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  • #7642
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,352 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    OleRodrigo wrote: »
    He's not skilled in diplomacy - inevitably he's going to chose the wrong words because ' cutting through the pc bullcrap ' is why people listen to him.
    there was a discussion whcih touched a little on this on the sean o'rourke show earlier - one guest commented that what happened was inevitable; if newstalk are positioning themselves as 'bloke radio' with presenters with 'robust' opinions, that something like this was bound to happen sooner or later. and that hook could have a comeback along the lines of 'you hired me specifically for my opinions, which you were not ignorant of'.


  • #7643
    RayCun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    OleRodrigo wrote: »
    He's not a bad person who believes people are to blame for crimes committed against them. He's a cartoonish, caricature of himself for the purposes of entertainment

    so he can **** off off the radio

    who needs a cartoonish caricature who comes out with that sort of crap?


  • #7644
    OleRodrigo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭OleRodrigo


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    there was a discussion whcih touched a little on this on the sean o'rourke show earlier - one guest commented that what happened was inevitable; if newstalk are positioning themselves as 'bloke radio' with presenters with 'robust' opinions, that something like this was bound to happen sooner or later. and that hook could have a comeback along the lines of 'you hired me specifically for my opinions, which you were not ignorant of'.

    They didn't just hire him for his opinions, they actively encourage his style of presenting - opinion driven content is part of their business strategy.

    He was more mild mannered years ago. I agree he should have countered with that as a response, but perhaps hes shocked at how its all unfolded.

    Also, tomasrojo...stories coming out about public figures are often more self serving than anything.

    Those 20 people who signed a letter in Newstalk - Interesting that they never came forward until now, would you say? There is robust legislative protection for employees - employers treat legitimate complaints seriously. Why speak up now ? There's more to that than meets the eye, I'm guessing.

    Weepsie - you've obviously never been to Copper Face Jacks! *

    * drunken people taking advantage of themselves for yonks !


  • #7645
    OleRodrigo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭OleRodrigo


    RayCun wrote: »
    so he can **** off off the radio

    who needs a cartoonish caricature who comes out with that sort of crap?

    Clearly, there is a market for that kind of presentation. You don't have to tune in.


  • #7646
    OleRodrigo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭OleRodrigo


    Weepsie wrote: »
    Because it's not the first time he's done it and he's very casually written about taking advantage of intoxicated women too.

    I don't believe his apology was sincere. Like the apology of a scolded child

    OK. Thats your opinion.

    But it would be fair to accept his apology, I think.

    If he does it again, that a different story. It would suggest a more deeply held conviction .


  • #7647
    RayCun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    OleRodrigo wrote: »
    Clearly, there is a market for that kind of presentation. You don't have to tune in.

    And clearly the market has decided that there are consequences for that kind of presentation. You don't have to have a job on national radio.

    It's always funny how quickly people can go from

    "I'm a no-holds-barred truth-teller, puncturing your PC pretensions, and I don't care if you're offended - you can suck it up, snowflake!"

    to

    "What do you mean, you were offended and now you're doing something about it? That's not fair! "


  • #7648
    rollingscone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭rollingscone


    OleRodrigo wrote: »
    Clearly, there is a market for that kind of presentation. You don't have to tune in.

    Clearly you haven't being paying attention to the damage this untempered propaganda marketing machine has done to political discourse across the western world.

    Not to mention the direct damage to the people it targets in order to create its "product"


  • #7649
    Harrybelafonte
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭Harrybelafonte


    Hey OleRodrigo, just wondering if you were as steadfast in your defence of him when he was spouting **** about cyclists? Kudos on your consistency if so.


  • #7650
    OleRodrigo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭OleRodrigo


    Harrybelafonte wrote: »
    Hey OleRodrigo, just wondering if you were as steadfast in your defence of him when he was spouting **** about cyclists? Kudos on your consistency if so.

    Initially, not at all, but it gave me a better insight into what he's all about.


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  • #7651
    Harrybelafonte
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭Harrybelafonte


    OleRodrigo wrote: »
    Initially, not at all, but it gave me a better insight into what he's all about.

    Interesting take. I'll watch for more of your insights on what he's all about.


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