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  • #482
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,784 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    The Fake Sheikh wrote: »
    I don't see anybody outraged that he had a nice day. More like people trying to explain to him what multiculturalism actually is and other people arguing over racism being part of our makeup.

    That made me laugh.


  • #483
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,813 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    MOH wrote: »
    From here, apparently

    Nice spot. Have amended the quoted post to cite the source as it was against the boards.ie terms of use


  • #484
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Grayson wrote: »
    That made me laugh.

    Cool...
    Few friends, a family friend and a barber. All you need to understand multiculturalism and judge the concept as a whole.


  • #485
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Pac1Man wrote: »
    Is it that much of a shock to you that humans are tribal by design?

    Why do you think racism exists at all?

    Well why would humans be instinctually prejudiced toward obese people or gay people too for instance? What tribal instincts are going on there? I think plenty of humans just like being cruel and hurting others for no good reason, I dont think theres too much primal instinctual origins going on behind racism


  • #486
    [Deleted User]
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    Brian? wrote: »
    Hah? I never said all Catholics are bigots or all bigots or catholic. No sir. Some of them are though, just like some Muslims. This is my entire point.

    That's a complete deflection.

    This is what you posted:

    Originally Posted by Brian? viewpost.gif
    You realise that we also influence the incoming cultures? We influence their attitudes towards women and LGBT+ people too. I see Ireland becoming increasingly tolerant, so they're obviously not holding us back in any way.

    We've drawn a line in the sand over which cannot be crossed. We won't accept intolerance towards women and LGBT+ people anymore. Well, except for the extreme right, catholic people. They're allowed, free speech eh?
    There's a marked suggestion there that extreme right equates to Catholic, since there's neither mention of any other religion, or none - nor does the word "some" feature in your comment.

    Yet plenty of extreme right people are neither Muslim, nor Catholic, nor does the Catholic belief about women or LGBT equate to the Muslim one.

    Therefore your comment, whether you meant it as such, or not, was derogatory towards Catholics, and wouldn't be acceptable on Boards if it referred to any other religion, or race.


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  • #487
    jmayo
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    Brian? wrote: »
    He wanted you to say Muslims and you let him down. Shame. Don't you know Muslims are here to destroy society?????

    jeez brian it must be great being omnipotent like yourself who can understand what everyone is thinking.
    But I see your mind powers doesn't just rest with Irish people, you even know the sex interests of all Japanese men as well.
    Brian? wrote: »
    Japanese society is doomed without a large scale correction. Birth rates are plummeting. Swathes of Japanese men are no longer interested in sex. The homogeneous nature of Japanese society may keep the crime low, but it doesn't mean the society is healthy.

    Can you please lay out all that is unhealthy about the homogeneous nature of a society ?
    Diversification is not always beneficial.

    BTW if you don't realise by now that a large muslim population can be disruptive and actually downright dangeous for it's host society, but maybe your psychic abilities haven't been able to see the homegrown threats from muslim communities in France, Belgium, UK that every intelligence agency and police force is spending millions on.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #488
    Brian?
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    That's a complete deflection.

    This is what you posted:

    There's a marked suggestion there that extreme right equates to Catholic, since there's neither mention of any other religion, or none - nor does the word "some" feature in your comment.

    Yet plenty of extreme right people are neither Muslim, nor Catholic, nor does the Catholic belief about women or LGBT equate to the Muslim one.

    Therefore your comment, whether you meant it as such, or not, was derogatory towards Catholics, and wouldn't be acceptable on Boards if it referred to any other religion, or race.

    It was meant as derogatory of extreme right wing Catholics.

    What exactly is your beef here? Are you trying to say Catholics are open to attack on boards and Muslims are not? If so, you be proved my point nicely. There are hundreds of threads on boards, this one included, where Muslims are portrayed as rapists.

    Mother and baby homes. I'll leave that there.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #489
    Brian?
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    jmayo wrote: »
    jeez brian it must be great being omnipotent like yourself who can understand what everyone is thinking.
    But I see your mind powers doesn't just rest with Irish people, you even know the sex interests of all Japanese men as well.

    There's this thing called the internet horse, it has all manner of useful information on it. It's where I read about the crisis in male sex drive in Japan. It was on a little known, niche site called BBC.co.uk. It's foreign, so you may not have heard of it. One doesn't need to be omnipotent to come across these things.

    Can you please lay out all that is unhealthy about the homogeneous nature of a society ?
    Diversification is not always beneficial.

    BTW if you don't realise by now that a large muslim population can be disruptive and actually downright dangeous for it's host society, but maybe your psychic abilities haven't been able to see the homegrown threats from muslim communities in France, Belgium, UK that every intelligence agency and police force is spending millions on.

    No, I won't lay that out. I made a rebuttal about how great Japan is because it's racially homogeneous. That's it.

    And there we go back to the Muslim slagging.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #490
    Pac1Man
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    Well why would humans be instinctually prejudiced toward obese people or gay people too for instance? What tribal instincts are going on there? I think plenty of humans just like being cruel and hurting others for no good reason, I dont think theres too much primal instinctual origins going on behind racism

    You're really setting me up for a fall here but here it goes!

    Humans are a needlessly cruel species. Some animals are too; wolves and primates especially. We commit crimes and atrocities for no logical reason. We can agree that a lot of these instances are fuelled by bigotry (race, religion etc.).

    What we can also agree on is that as a species, we are incredibly young, only a few hundred thousand years old. I find it extremely hard to believe that we are purged from all of the inherent animalistic traits which got us here today. One of those traits is to be wary of the unknown be it a foreign tribe, a dark alley, someone knocking on your front door at 11.30 at night.

    Thankfully the educated modern society we live in has alleviated most of these threats. That doesn't stop poorly educated gimps from maintaining these archaic stereotypes which have more than likely been passed down to them through generations. Racism didn't just appear out of thin air.

    Regarding your two examples. Obesity is an easy one. What good is an immobile unhealthy overeater in an early civilised society? Not true today of course but that sigma is still present.

    Being gay is natural so I don't know what the instinctual prejudice is there. I would liken homophobes to racists and put it down to not being educated.


  • #491
    Brian?
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    Pac1Man wrote: »
    You're really setting me up for a fall here but here it goes!

    Humans are a needlessly cruel species. Some animals are too; wolves and primates especially. We commit crimes and atrocities for no logical reason. We can agree that a lot of these instances are fuelled by bigotry (race, religion etc.).

    What we can also agree on is that as a species, we are incredibly young, only a few hundred thousand years old. I find it extremely hard to believe that we are purged from all of the inherent animalistic traits which got us here today. One of those traits is to be wary of the unknown be it a foreign tribe, a dark alley, someone knocking on your front door at 11.30 at night.

    Thankfully the educated modern society we live in has alleviated most of these threats. That doesn't stop poorly educated gimps from maintaining these archaic stereotypes which have more than likely been passed down to them through generations. Racism didn't just appear out of thin air.

    Regarding your two examples. Obesity is an easy one. What good is an immobile unhealthy overeater in an early civilised society? Not true today of course but that sigma is still present.

    Being gay is natural so I don't know what the instinctual prejudice is there. I would liken homophobes to racists and put it down to not being educated.

    Fine points.

    I put all bigotry down to ignorance. Even educated intelligent people can be bigots through wifull ignorance.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • #492
    Geuze
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    . After that, I went to my Turkish Muslim barber

    Given that Turkey aren't in the EU, how are Turkish barbers getting into the country?

    Given that we have hundreds of thousands of inactive adults not in the labour market, why are we allowing non-EU workers into the country?

    [other than in very specific roles]


  • #493
    [Deleted User]
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    Geuze wrote: »
    Given that Turkey aren't in the EU, how are Turkish barbers getting into the country?

    Given that we have hundreds of thousands of inactive adults not in the labour market, why are we allowing non-EU workers into the country?

    [other than in very specific roles]

    Eh same way many Nigerian fellas are out there earning a crust working for the likes of Dublin Bus. How many Chinese people run takeaways? How many Indian guys are working in Intel? Americans, Brazilians the list goes on.


  • #494
    Pure tashte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭Pure tashte


    Geuze wrote: »
    Given that Turkey aren't in the EU, how are Turkish barbers getting into the country?

    Given that we have hundreds of thousands of inactive adults not in the labour market, why are we allowing non-EU workers into the country?

    [other than in very specific roles]

    Are Turkish barbers not renowned for their craft?

    Going by your logic, why are there so many Chinese chefs working in Chinese restaurants? Couldn't Irish chefs cook the same food?


  • #495
    [Deleted User]
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    Brian? wrote: »
    Fine points.

    I put all bigotry down to ignorance. Even educated intelligent people can be bigots through wifull ignorance.

    Agreed about the ignorance. I think inherited/national racism mostly can exist when someone doesn't have direct regular contact with the race they hate.

    however, what about some people become who become racist due to a hostile, or negative experience (or set of negative experiences)?


  • #496
    [Deleted User]
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    Brian? wrote: »
    Swathes of Japanese men are no longer interested in sex.,.

    It sounds like the opening line of a Chore Sex Guy thread...;)


  • #497
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Saying animals like Wolves and Lions etc are cruel is just utter nonsense. They are only doing what most of us do when we pop into Tesco to buy bacon or steaks or chicken or beef. We are such hypocrites, the majority of us eat meat in some form or another.

    Majestic animals like Lions and Hyenas have to hunt for food, they have to eat meat in the wild in order to survive. Humans would have to do the exact same thing in such conditions in the wild, hunting for food, collecting water, eating meat just to survive. How you can call something so natural cruel is beyond me.


  • #498
    Grab All Association
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    Ireland is so diverse Caranua travelled back in time and put a Asian guy in a Catholic institution

    6034073


  • #499
    Annasopra
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    Geuze wrote: »
    Given that Turkey aren't in the EU, how are Turkish barbers getting into the country?

    Given that we have hundreds of thousands of inactive adults not in the labour market, why are we allowing non-EU workers into the country?

    [other than in very specific roles]
    There is thing called an employment permit

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/migrant_workers/employment_permits/work_permits.html

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #500
    Really Interested
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    Grab All Association wrote: »
    Ireland is so diverse Caranua travelled back in time and put a Asian guy in a Catholic institution

    6034073


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2017/feb/24/irelands-forgotten-mixed-race-child-abuse-victims-video

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/mixed-race-irish-we-were-the-dust-to-be-swept-away-1.2287196


  • #501
    Irish Guitarist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    I was walking through the park in Carlow a few weeks ago when I saw a Chinese lad wearing one of those breathing masks you see everyone wearing in some smog filled Chinese city like Beijing.

    mortazavi20120409041648000.JPG


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  • #502
    Pac1Man
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Saying animals like Wolves and Lions etc are cruel is just utter nonsense. They are only doing what most of us do when we pop into Tesco to buy bacon or steaks or chicken or beef. We are such hypocrites, the majority of us eat meat in some form or another.

    Majestic animals like Lions and Hyenas have to hunt for food, they have to eat meat in the wild in order to survive. Humans would have to do the exact same thing in such conditions in the wild, hunting for food, collecting water, eating meat just to survive. How you can call something so natural cruel is beyond me.

    I never mentioned Lions. I specifically said wolves and primates as an example, chimpanzees to be even more specific. I'm not talking about the typical survival practices we all partake in, i.e. hunting or gathering our food.

    Viewer discretion. This video shows a 'good' example of the similarity of the violent tendencies between chimps and humans. The community of chimps in the video hold down and attack a rival chimp within the same community.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPznMbNcfO8

    Wolves will effectively bully a weaker member of the pack to toughen it up. Humans do the exact same thing. They pick on the weak. The term pack mentality didn't fall out of the sky.
    http://animals.howstuffworks.com/mammals/wolf-pack-mentality.htm


  • #503
    The_Kew_Tour
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    Irish Guitarist wrote: »
    I was walking through the park in Carlow a few weeks ago when I saw a Chinese lad wearing one of those breathing masks you see everyone wearing in some smog filled Chinese city like Beijing.

    mortazavi20120409041648000.JPG

    Sensible lad. If I had to spend time in Carlow I would do the same.

    Great Bunch keep him.:P

    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • #504
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    getting take out is a lot better thanks to multiculturalism


  • #505
    Brian?
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Agreed about the ignorance. I think inherited/national racism mostly can exist when someone doesn't have direct regular contact with the race they hate.

    however, what about some people become who become racist due to a hostile, or negative experience (or set of negative experiences)?

    What about them? I think I may be missing your point.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #506
    Brian?
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    Geuze wrote: »
    Given that Turkey aren't in the EU, how are Turkish barbers getting into the country?

    Given that we have hundreds of thousands of inactive adults not in the labour market, why are we allowing non-EU workers into the country?

    [other than in very specific roles]

    They're coming here legally. I wouldn't fancy their chances setting up a shop if they weren't. I suspect many are German citizens. There are huge Turkish populations around Europe, especially Germany. Great kebabs in Berlin.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #507
    [Deleted User]
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    Brian? wrote: »
    What about them? I think I may be missing your point.

    Sorry. I read from your sentence that you meant there was only that reason for racism..


  • #508
    Sofiztikated
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    Irish Guitarist wrote: »
    I was walking through the park in Carlow a few weeks ago when I saw a Chinese lad wearing one of those breathing masks you see everyone wearing in some smog filled Chinese city like Beijing.

    I think it's more to do with them not wanting to spread germs than what they're breathing in.

    But I could be completely wrong.


  • #509
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    Brian? wrote: »
    Great kebabs in Berlin.

    You might want to try a bit higher.

    Best kebabs are in Berlin.

    Eine donerbox, bitte.


  • #510
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,633 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    You might want to try a bit higher.

    Best kebabs are in Berlin.

    Eine donerbox, bitte.

    I assume the ones in Istanbul are better. That's just a hunch though.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • #511
    [Deleted User]
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    Irish Guitarist wrote: »
    I was walking through the park in Carlow a few weeks ago when I saw a Chinese lad wearing one of those breathing masks you see everyone wearing in some smog filled Chinese city like Beijing.

    mortazavi20120409041648000.JPG

    Carlow? Would thy not be better off going for this?

    during-the-bubonic-plague-doctors-wore-these-bird-like-masks-to-11432002.png


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