All-new Peugeot 5008 SUV

grogi · 11-09-2017 03:32PM

Stallingrad wrote: »

Why on earth would you buy a diesel for 6.2/100 if doing less than 20,000km per year? Plenty of modern petrols will get that without all the diesel downsides, vibration, noise, environment, dmf, DPf, etc.

Because the selection for petrols in MPVs was and still is extremely limited.

It is 5008 that comes first to Ireland with the full range of petrols/diesel engines with both manual and automatic gearboxes, in all trims. Previously if you could get petrol, it was manual and only in the poverty spec.

SmithySeller · 11-09-2017 05:14PM

Stallingrad wrote: »

Why on earth would you buy a diesel for 6.2/100 if doing less than 20,000km per year?

Who on this Earth did that, please point him out? :rolleyes:

grogi · 11-09-2017 06:16PM

SmithySeller wrote: »

Who on this Earth did that, please point him out? :rolleyes:

You indicated that you did. If you're doing more, the consumption figure is not really relevant to the discussion, as it would be much smaller than for someone doing 12000km a year.

medic112 · 11-09-2017 08:12PM

Many,many thanks for the replies & advise. we've decided on the 1.2 auto allure + add keyless entry. Will call into the pug stand at the ploughing championships to see what models they'll have.

Am buying outright so hope to get a deal, have an 10yr old motor for possible scrappage to.

SmithySeller · 12-09-2017 09:26AM

grogi wrote: »

You indicated that you did. If you're doing more, the consumption figure is not really relevant to the discussion, as it would be much smaller than for someone doing 12000km a year.

No I did not.

The first 70,000Km was done in the first 23 months. The last 15,300 or there abouts was done since late October 2016, which is when I reset the clock.

It is in a 5008 ehdi MPV with the 1.6 Diesel. The fuel consumption figure was purely informational to the conversation that was occurring. It also allows people to see what might realistically be achievable, albeit the new 5008 is a different platform and slightly modified power output, but indicative none the less. That allows people to make an informed decision. It doesn't come with an agenda for or against.

grogi · 12-09-2017 09:39AM

SmithySeller wrote: »

No I did not.

You did by giving half of the data

The first 70,000Km was done in the first 23 months. The last 15,300 or there abouts was done since late October 2016, which is when I reset the clock

So extrapolating last 10.5 months to whole year you would do 17500. That's around 50% more than discussed here 12000/year.

With any engine, the consumption depends highly on its average temperature. A diesel engine is so much more thermally efficient, it takes ages for it to warm up. Short trips will result in low average temperature and horrible efficiency.

If one is using the car regularly 250 days/year, with three trips a day and mileage of 12000 km, the car is doing on average 16 km/trip. That is just enough for it to warm up - you'll end up with 8

. Doing 18000 km yearly (~24 km/trip, which means that around 50% of the distance is done with optimal temperature) I estimate you could achieve 6

, and longer average trips would result in even better efficiency, of around 5.5

and even lower.

To sum up - a diesel that is doing a lot of short trips will not be efficient. In typical scenario the yearly mileage reflects how long those trips are. And it really makes no sense to buy one if you're doing 12000 yearly. Of course, some use cases are different and the car doing 12000 km/year, but being driven only twice a week, will achieve stunning efficiency. This is not the typical way cars are used though.

grogi · 12-09-2017 09:52AM

medic112 wrote: »

Many,many thanks for the replies & advise. we've decided on the 1.2 auto allure + add keyless entry. Will call into the pug stand at the ploughing championships to see what models they'll have.

Am buying outright so hope to get a deal, have an 10yr old motor for possible scrappage to.

Excellent choice IMHO.

SmithySeller · 12-09-2017 09:53AM

No. You came to an assumption. And I agree with the rest of your last post.

You answered the question that was posted correctly when you said Diesel was the most viable and probably only option at the time. To add to that Diesel was the correct decision for us, but after that circumstances changed (around 23months later). It is no longer the right decision for us (I think :P).

grogi · 12-09-2017 09:55AM

Stallingrad wrote: »

Why on earth would you buy a diesel for 6.2/100 if doing less than 20,000km per year? Plenty of modern petrols will get that without all the diesel downsides, vibration, noise, environment, dmf, DPf, etc.

In an SUV shape? The line of TSI engines are extremely efficient, but I doubt that a Kodiaq or Tiguan with a TSI would match that figure.

And they don't, Tiguan averages 8.06

with modern (post 2015) TSI with similar (up to 130 PS) power. The figure goes even up if you include the more powerful variants.

https://www.spritmonitor.de/de/uebersicht/50-Volkswagen/1045-Tiguan.html?fueltype=2&constyear_s=2015&power_e=130&powerunit=2

SmithySeller · 12-09-2017 10:07AM

The 3008 Auto isn't far off that either..

AstraMonti · 12-09-2017 05:34PM

I just found out from a french peugeot forum that the 1.2 does NOT support the adaptive/dynamic cruise control. I am very annoyed that I wasn't told from the dealer. This is something I really wanted since I saw the original videos for 5008. I emailed them and I am waiting confirmation.

If that's the case.. then we 're back on the original situation.. 1.6 130 diesel or the 1.6 165 petrol?

medic112 · 12-09-2017 06:00PM

Had to look up what it is, not really a deal breaker for me (but would be nice) could you post a link to the french sites?

thanks.

AstraMonti · 12-09-2017 06:13PM

http://www.forum-peugeot.com/Forum/forum-peugeot/Peugeot-5008-P87/liste_sujet-1.htm
http://www.forum-auto.com/marques/Peugeot/debut-5008.htm

It shouldn't be a deal breaker.. but I am buying a new car (it's a first since I am alive and it will be the last for a very good while! lol) and I want all bells and whistles.

grogi · 12-09-2017 06:51PM

AstraMonti wrote: »

I just found out from a french peugeot forum that the 1.2 does NOT support the adaptive/dynamic cruise control. I am very annoyed that I wasn't told from the dealer. This is something I really wanted since I saw the original videos for 5008. I emailed them and I am waiting confirmation.

If that's the case.. then we 're back on the original situation.. 1.6 130 diesel or the 1.6 165 petrol?

Diesel. 2.0 HDI would be better, but 1.6 is good enough.

AstraMonti · 12-09-2017 08:05PM

grogi wrote: »

Diesel. 2.0 HDI would be better, but 1.6 is good enough.

Thanks once again. I wasn't too impressed from the diesel to be honest, it was just OK. I can't afford the 2l unfortunately.

grogi · 12-09-2017 08:10PM

AstraMonti wrote: »

Thanks once again. I wasn't too impressed from the diesel to be honest, it was just OK. I can't afford the 2l unfortunately.

I know. It is a disgrace that 1.2 does not support ACC... Is this a confirmed information?!

Unfortunately there is no room to chip the 1.6, the auto gearbox is rated to 300Nm, which is exactly how much the engine outputs...

The 1.6 THP will break your heart... But maybe am I exaggerating? With 5 years warranty you'll get bored with the car and sell it with 'brand new timing chain'.

AstraMonti · 13-09-2017 08:50AM

grogi wrote: »

I know. It is a disgrace that 1.2 does not support ACC... Is this a confirmed information?!

Unfortunately there is no room to chip the 1.6, the auto gearbox is rated to 300Nm, which is exactly how much the engine outputs...

The 1.6 THP will break your heart... But maybe am I exaggerating? With 5 years warranty you'll get bored with the car and sell it with 'brand new timing chain'.

Yeah confirmed for both the 3008 and 5008 from multiple owners. I am waiting to hear from my dealer to confirm it. It's a bit ridiculous to be honest to not know this information when they suggest the 1.2 engine.

I read somewhere else that the 1.6 THP is a newer generation, and the issues might have been fixed but I couldn't confirm that info with anyone.

medic112 · 15-09-2017 08:20PM

AstraMonti, was wondering if you made a decision?

Thanks for the links, i'm impressed with the feed back on the 1.2 petrol.

AstraMonti · 15-09-2017 08:31PM

The feedback for 1.2 is excellent indeed, but the lack of dynamic cruise control is disappointing, so I will go for the 1.6 Petrol. From digging deep into the french forums it seems that the post-2015 engines have their issues resolved, now if anything goes south, the 5 year warranty should cover it.
Now my concern would be delivery times, I am reading some ridiculous waiting times for the french market, few guys ordered in July and they are not going to get it until April!

SmithySeller · 18-09-2017 01:10PM

medic112 wrote: »

Many,many thanks for the replies & advise. we've decided on the 1.2 auto allure + add keyless entry. Will call into the pug stand at the ploughing championships to see what models they'll have.

Am buying outright so hope to get a deal, have an 10yr old motor for possible scrappage to.

Out of interest did you enquire about the 1.2 Auto in GT-Line, or more specifically were you told it wasn't available in GT-Line (similar to the 3008)? I'm hearing speculation that its not available :eek: which would be a crying shame... Unverified mind you..

AstraMonti · 18-09-2017 01:15PM

SmithySeller wrote: »

Out of interest did you enquire about the 1.2 Auto in GT-Line, or more specifically were you told it wasn't available in GT-Line (similar to the 3008)? I'm hearing speculation that its not available :eek: which would be a crying shame... Unverified mind you..

1.2 auto exists as an option for the GT-Line.

grogi · 18-09-2017 01:48PM

SmithySeller wrote: »

Out of interest did you enquire about the 1.2 Auto in GT-Line, or more specifically were you told it wasn't available in GT-Line (similar to the 3008)? I'm hearing speculation that its not available :eek: which would be a crying shame... Unverified mind you..

€37,675 plus delivery and related charges.

http://www.peugeot.ie/brand-and-technology/about-peugeot/news-and-blog/highly-anticipated-peugeot-5008-suv-goes-on-sale-in-ireland.html

SmithySeller · 18-09-2017 01:55PM

grogi wrote: »

€37,675 plus delivery and related charges.

http://www.peugeot.ie/brand-and-technology/about-peugeot/news-and-blog/highly-anticipated-peugeot-5008-suv-goes-on-sale-in-ireland.html

Umm I had seen that. I was merely enquiring about a trade in price and during the discussion dealer told me (over the phone) that the 1.2 Auto Price isn't showing on his configurator and then proceeded to say he hoped they hadn't removed it from the 5008 as well. Anyhow...

medic112 · 18-09-2017 05:02PM

Yeah was told today that GT-line is unavailable, at the moment. Also if I was interested in an active model only certain colours are available. I'm going with the allure 1.2 autobox adding keyless entry & was told I could be in it by nov/ early dec. ðŸ™‚ There's a possible price increase of 2-500€ in the pipeline to.

AstraMonti · 18-09-2017 06:43PM

They are probably victims of their own success. Apparently, the 1.2 are sold much faster than they can make them. If I am not mistaken in Netherlands/Belgium owning a diesel has a lot more taxes so most of the people are going for the 1.2.

pete6296 · 18-09-2017 09:14PM

medic112 wrote:

Yeah was told today that GT-line is unavailable, at the moment. Also if I was interested in an active model only certain colours are available. I'm going with the allure 1.2 autobox adding keyless entry & was told I could be in it by nov/ early dec. Ã°Å¸â„¢â€š There's a possible price increase of 2-500â‚¬ in the pipeline to.

Possible increase of 2.5k on all specs?

medic112 · 18-09-2017 10:16PM

True about Belgium, that 1.2 engine cannot be built fast enough. The increase is in the €200-€500 mark I suppose depending on model. Hope to order next week.

SmithySeller · 19-09-2017 10:36AM

medic112 wrote: »

Yeah was told today that GT-line is unavailable, at the moment. There's a possible price increase of 2-500€ in the pipeline to.

That's really disappointing. GT-Line 1.2 auto was my preferred option if anything..

walus · 19-09-2017 03:30PM

I think that 1.2 with auto box is perfect for Irish traffic jams and 120 km/h speed limit. GT line looks lovely. The only bad thing is the black roof lining - I just don't like it.

sReq | uTeK · 19-09-2017 03:42PM

walus wrote: »

I think that 1.2 with auto box is perfect for Irish traffic jams and 120 km/h speed limit. GT line looks lovely. The only bad thing is the black roof lining - I just don't like it.

No worry of this pulling 7 people and a full boot with 1.2 auto petrol.

All-new Peugeot 5008 SUV

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