Terrorist attack in Dublin scenario

crokermun · 09-09-2017 12:21pm #1

I wanted to signup to post this, as I think it is one of the most serious problems in Ireland recently.

Given the recent terror attacks in London and Manchester, and the questions asked and answered about security here, we have established already that we are not prepared to handle a terror attack.

So, here is my scenario.

Call me a troll all ye want, but this is a good point:

If a suicide bomber hit the All-Ireland final, while the thousands of fans inside Croke Park were leaving, he could easily kill 100+ people. But we just don't seem to care all that much, because, after all, we are a "neutral" country, aren't we?

The unarmed Garda there wouldn't be able to cope.

So, in your own personal opinion, what would happen in this scenario?

ThisRegard · 09-09-2017 12:24pm

You will find armed Gardai at such an event in Croke Park.

The Moldy Gowl · 09-09-2017 12:24pm

What are the armed garda gonna do when he blows himself up?

McMurphy · 09-09-2017 12:24pm

Big slap on the back for yourself OP for being the first with such a "what would Ireland do in the event of a terrorist attack" type thread.

ThisRegard · 09-09-2017 12:24pm

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

What are the armed garda gonna do when he blows himself up?

Shoot him in the guts, that'll teach him!

crokermun · 09-09-2017 12:27pm

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

What are the armed garda gonna do when he blows himself up?

Exactly. I was in Zaventem airport after the Brussels attacks in 2016 and there were so many soldiers around, what are they going to do, shoot him, he falls over and detonates?

crokermun · 09-09-2017 12:29pm

What would happen in the Croker scenario?

The Moldy Gowl · 09-09-2017 12:30pm

crokermun wrote: »

Exactly. I was in Zaventem airport after the Brussels attacks in 2016 and there were so many soldiers around, what are they going to do, shoot him, he falls over and detonates?

Not even that. They wouldn't have the time to react to seeing a chap detonate a bomb.

Armed police are just a show of force for the public. Not gonna stop some gowl blowing up a bomb in a bag.

crokermun · 09-09-2017 12:31pm

Goderator wrote: »

Sure that would never happen in Ireland doesnt everyone love us.

Rick Shaw wrote: »

Big slap on the back for yourself OP for being the first with such a "what would Ireland do in the event of a terrorist attack" type thread.

Ye are hilarious! I'm sure the teenagers going to the Ariana whatshername concert in Manchester didn't fathom an attack happening there either.

frag420 · 09-09-2017 12:32pm

I would imagine a replay of the final?

osarusan · 09-09-2017 12:33pm

If the bomb is big enough it could become Hill 17.

crokermun · 09-09-2017 12:33pm

frag420 wrote: »

I would imagine a replay of the final?

Very funny. Back on-topic please?

Oranage2 · 09-09-2017 12:33pm

crokermun wrote: »

What would happen in the Croker scenario?

People die, metal detectors at every public event after that. Ireland is so west and so small that Islamic terrorists wouldn't bother with it, bigger and closer countries to them.

The Moldy Gowl · 09-09-2017 12:34pm

crokermun wrote: »

What would happen in the Croker scenario?

Bomb blows up. People die. There is chaos. Same as all the other attacks.

Why would they attack croke park, premiership game in london would have a bigger impact.
Set a bomb off outside Wembley, dont even need to kill anyone to have the same impact.

user53 · 09-09-2017 12:34pm

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

What are the armed garda gonna do when he blows himself up?

Add an Irish flag to their profile pictures on Facebook.

minikin · 09-09-2017 12:35pm

Plasters n bandages five for fifty

crokermun · 09-09-2017 12:36pm

Is it likely and what would the response be?

The Backwards Man · 09-09-2017 12:37pm

I would imagine much the same as every other time there was a terrorist attack in Dublin with added nutjobs posting crap on the internet.

Sofiztikated · 09-09-2017 12:37pm

Call me pure cynical, or what have you, but hear me out.

A new user signs up to chat about terrorism.
Within 1 minute, another new user replies to your chat about terrorism.
It's Saturday, lunch time, when the site is busy.
There hasn't been a terrorist incident in a while, even though some proclaim it's a daily occurrence, in Europe.

You wouldn't just be here to scare people, would you?

OldMrBrennan83 · 09-09-2017 12:40pm

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rtron · 09-09-2017 12:40pm

Hon Mayo...

Fighting Tao · 09-09-2017 12:41pm

crokermun wrote: »

Is it likely and what would the response be?

Why don't you ask the gardai and other emergency services as they're the ones that would be dealing with it?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 09-09-2017 12:41pm

If ISIS (or someone else, for that matter) decides it wants to hit Dublin with a terrorist attack, it's going to hit Dublin with a terrorist attack and there is **** all Dublin can do about it. For a start, we're an island. Getting the required materials in will be easy. And as per anywhere else, they don't even need to get to a specific place to do it. If you want to talk Croker - the Manchester bomber detonated outside thr arena and he still caused havoc. And there was/will be very little any defence/police/security force is going to be able to do about it.

My question would be why someone would want to hit Dublin with a torrorist attack. Waste of a suicide bomber if you ask me.

corner of hells · 09-09-2017 12:41pm

I work in the security detail in Croke Park OP , it's more secure than you realise.

We're all issued with sandwiches which we wave about on sticks.

No ISIS bomber can get past is.

frag420 · 09-09-2017 12:42pm

crokermun wrote: »

Very funny. Back on-topic please?

Apologies! Well I guess if there was a terrorist attack then every sports shop around the country would sell out of Celtic jerseys...

If you want a serious answer take it out of after hours, what did you expect here, serious debate and cordial replies?

Fighting Tao · 09-09-2017 12:42pm

corner of hells wrote: »

We're all issued with sandwiches which we wave about on sticks.

No ISIS bomber can get past is.

Ham I presume?

frag420 · 09-09-2017 12:45pm

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Ham I presume?

Hang...

Widdershins · 09-09-2017 12:45pm

corner of hells wrote: »

I work in the security detail in Croke Park OP , it's more secure than you realise.

We're all issued with sandwiches which we wave about on sticks.

No ISIS bomber can get past is.

Triple sausage, bacon and lettuce? Red flag to a bull

c_man · 09-09-2017 12:50pm

Sofiztikated wrote: »

There hasn't been a terrorist incident in a while, even though some proclaim it's a daily occurrence, in Europe.

It's interesting that three weeks now qualifies as a "while".

Gatling · 09-09-2017 12:52pm

crokermun wrote: »

I wanted to signup to post this,

So, here is my scenario.

Call me a troll

Ok

corner of hells · 09-09-2017 12:52pm

Fighting Tao wrote: »

corner of hells wrote: »

We're all issued with sandwiches which we wave about on sticks.

No ISIS bomber can get past is.

Ham I presume?

Don't be ridiculous, culchies have eaten every hang sandwich and drank all the tae within ffourty miles of Croke Park of a Sunday.

WinnyThePoo · 09-09-2017 12:53pm

Reregs should be thrown in guatanmo bay!

Mr.Crinklewood · 09-09-2017 12:57pm

Boards needs a dedicated forum for potential terrorist attacks in Dublin.

Was the post about Grafton Street last week?

Richard Hillman · 09-09-2017 1:02pm

It will happen eventually but I just don't think we are sexy enough target for them. Even the homegrown Irish extremists would be more likely to cross the channel.

It will happen eventually though and probably within the first 5-10 years

jetsonx · 09-09-2017 1:06pm

Stage 1 - Preparation

Do the preparation for the Gardaí response. Make sure they looked armed. Buy them expensive kit and powerful looking 4x4s and cars. Make sure that all the media are called to watch preparation. (All choreographed by Noirin the PR women dressed as a commissioner) Tick. Done. Finito.

Stage 2 - The Attack

There would be absolute pandemonium in Dublin hospitals.

There would be many needless deaths of injured people due the HSE's chronic disorganisation problem. Not enough paramedics can make it to the scene. Hundreds of injured die in hospital corridors.

Stage 3 - The Aftermath

Time for the usual excuses will be trotted out "mistakes were made", "acting on the best information available at the time". Politicians and HSE chiefs can't comment on the disaster because of an imminent public inquiry

Stage 4 - Public Inquiry

Public enquiry will take place approximately 6 years after the attack. In the meantime, key players who made catastrophic decisions are now retiring on full pension and golden handshakes. Loads of reports of written by "consultants" (of the legal and business kind) about the catastrophe. Beautifully presented reports choc-full of platitudes stating the bleeding obvious in technical prose written by hacks who
don't want to upset their paymaster.

Same old. Same old. So predictable what would happen if their was a terrorist attack in Ireland.

biko · 09-09-2017 1:25pm

Nice try Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi but you have to do your own planning.

Collie D · 09-09-2017 1:30pm

What I want to know is how the **** got a ticket?!

Barry Badrinath · 09-09-2017 1:36pm

Mayo folk descending on Dublin should be classed as a terror attack.

Sangwiches and flasks o' tae everywhere!

freshpopcorn · 09-09-2017 1:53pm

Post terror attack it's the governments/gardai fault.
If an attack did take place without any plan in place. It's the governments and gardai fault.
If there was a major security plain in place it's the governments/gardai fault.
Basically no matter what happens the government and gardai will get blamed.

walshj34 · 09-09-2017 1:58pm

I remember talking to a Gard in the city about this about a month ago, they can get their ASU's anywhere within the GDA in 8 mins, and 12 mins to the major cities. That's time that's similar to London's special response units.

To be fair, not a whole lot will stop a lone maniac, but if it's planned and part of a bigger organisation, it would be a lot harder to keep on the dl.

darkdubh · 09-09-2017 2:20pm

I think a muslim would stick out a bit at the All Ireland final, unless they use a white convert.

Ash.J.Williams · 09-09-2017 2:23pm

crokermun wrote: »

I wanted to signup to post this, as I think it is one of the most serious problems in Ireland recently.

Given the recent terror attacks in London and Manchester, and the questions asked and answered about security here, we have established already that we are not prepared to handle a terror attack.

So, here is my scenario.

Call me a troll all ye want, but this is a good point:

If a suicide bomber hit the All-Ireland final, while the thousands of fans inside Croke Park were leaving, he could easily kill 100+ people. But we just don't seem to care all that much, because, after all, we are a "neutral" country, aren't we?

The unarmed Garda there wouldn't be able to cope.

So, in your own personal opinion, what would happen in this scenario?

The Gardaí are armed

corner of hells · 09-09-2017 3:35pm

walshj34 wrote: »

I remember talking to a Gard in the city about this about a month ago, they can get their ASU's anywhere within the GDA in 8 mins, and 12 mins to the major cities. That's time that's similar to London's special response units.

To be fair, not a whole lot will stop a lone maniac, but if it's planned and part of a bigger organisation, it would be a lot harder to keep on the dl.

So do you think this " Garda" could give me a loan of a Garda radio , it's just that I need to know where the Gardai are next Tuesday near my local post office.

crokermun · 10-09-2017 3:37pm

What would happpen, how likely is it?

branie2 · 10-09-2017 3:39pm

Massive casualties for one

FizzleSticks · 10-09-2017 4:10pm

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Crispycool · 10-09-2017 4:21pm

You can never be properly prepared for an unexpected terrorist attack. The most important thing we can do as a country is to stop supporting wars that increase the likelihood of a terrorist attack in Ireland. We should be outspoken against war instead of aiding and abetting what inevitably results in more terrorism

blueser · 10-09-2017 4:34pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

the Manchester bomber detonated outside thr arena and he still caused havoc.

That bomb was set off in the foyer of the arena, not outside.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Manchester_Arena_bombing#Attack

Spanish Eyes · 10-09-2017 4:39pm

I am never leaving my house again. Work can suffer. It's all over.

AndrewJRenko · 10-09-2017 4:53pm

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Call me pure cynical, or what have you, but hear me out.

A new user signs up to chat about terrorism.
Within 1 minute, another new user replies to your chat about terrorism.
It's Saturday, lunch time, when the site is busy.
There hasn't been a terrorist incident in a while, even though some proclaim it's a daily occurrence, in Europe.

You wouldn't just be here to scare people, would you?

At least one, and probably both of them are Brian I reckon;

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fg-councillor-faces-disciplinary-hearing-over-sharia-law-claim-1.3214489

Terrorist attack in Dublin scenario

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