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Isn't multiculturalism great...

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    If anything the opening post is a load of patronizing nonsense and is exactly the type of ****e that pisses people off about supposed "diversity". Praising someone who happens to be different for doing nothing more than the average born and raised irishman would do i.e be pleasant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    It's neither a good or a bad thing it just is what it is.

    oh its definitely a good thing we've become more sophisticated and cosmopolitan as a nation instead of the backward backwater that we use to be

    now if only we could get rid of the GAA


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭marcus001


    If anything the opening post is a load of patronizing nonsense and is exactly the type of ****e that pisses people off about supposed "diversity". Praising someone who happens to be different for doing nothing more than the average born and raised irishman would do i.e be pleasant.

    It's the soft bigotry of low expectations.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Hope multiculturalism is working out well also, in the one or two countries where women can't show their ankles

    On the flip side, it's done wonders for progressive Sweden, so successful they're barring men from their Bråvalla music Festival next year.

    It's a good thing, but like everything change is best done slow and steady, not fast and unexpected.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    fryup wrote: »
    now if only we could get rid of the GAA

    "Seán Óg Ó hAilpín... his father’s from Fermanagh, his mother’s from Fiji. Neither a hurling stronghold"


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭Benjamin Buttons


    fryup wrote: »
    oh its definitely a good thing we've become more sophisticated and cosmopolitan as a nation instead of the backward backwater that we use to be

    now if only we could get rid of the GAA

    NEVER NEVER NEVER


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    RayM wrote: »
    "Seán Óg Ó hAilpín... his father’s from Fermanagh, his mother’s from Fiji. Neither a hurling stronghold"

    ya but the organisation is insular and the sports are muck (imo)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    fryup wrote: »
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^

    ya but the organisation is insular and the sports are muck (imo)

    Anytime I've seen uploads of summer camps etc always seen loads of kids of any mix playing/participating in it?



    Hurling is generally regarded as the fastest field game in the world (But yes football is dung)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    fryup wrote: »
    oh its definitely a good thing we've become more sophisticated and cosmopolitan as a nation instead of the backward backwater that we use to be

    now if only we could get rid of the GAA


    The GAA is one of the best things about this country it's actually a version of multiculturalism itself in that it's an example of Irish culture.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,435 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    This is only a temporary phase while all the different cultures are melted down. In future the only culture to survive will be Westernised plastic mass manufactured American pop consumerism culture

    The one that's massively influenced by African American, Hispanic, European and other cultures?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    fryup wrote: »
    ya but the organisation is insular and the sports are muck (imo)

    I used to dislike the GAA, but then rugby became inexplicably popular in this country, and I found a far more deserving target for my hatred.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    Anytime I've seen uploads of summer camps etc always seen loads of kids of any mix playing/participating in it?



    Hurling is generally regarded as the fastest field game in the world (But yes football is dung)

    Football is a much much better sport, more participants, more people watching it's actually managed to get people playing it on an all ireland basis which is something the hurling lads have failed to do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭BillyBobBS


    Well at least today in Conors little pocket it seems to have worked just fine.
    Multiculturalism should not be confused with a society that is simply open minded and accepting to its communities or majorities. Multiculturalism is a dangerous component to forcing a culture to change. The idea itself is inherently good and rooted in philosophies that have undisputed reverence to the values of liberty and equality. However, reacting and instigating change must be done from both a situational perspective and an ethical one. Multiculturalism today, employed in Germany, the UK and France has ultimately failed.

    Source


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭marcus001


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    The one that's massively influenced by African American, Hispanic, European and other cultures?

    No, the one that is totally inorganic and manufactured.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    The one that's massively influenced by African American, Hispanic, European and other cultures?

    A more pasteurised version of that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donal55


    marcus001 wrote: »
    No, the one that is totally inorganic and manufactured.


    Louis Walsh :D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    BillyBobBS wrote: »
    Multiculturalism should not be confused with a society that is simply open minded and accepting to its communities or majorities. Multiculturalism is a dangerous component to forcing a culture to change. The idea itself is inherently good and rooted in philosophies that have undisputed reverence to the values of liberty and equality. However, reacting and instigating change must be done from both a situational perspective and an ethical one. Multiculturalism today, employed in Germany, the UK and France has ultimately failed.

    You must visit these countries to see the dynamic changes that have taken place. Every culture exists because people have been raised with those customs, through history and humanity. There will always be dominant cultures that consciously or unconsciously make others a minority. So we see separate communities spring up, ghettoes created, additional rises in crime, and the eventual persecution of the parent culture of the nation in a web of contradicting morals, opinions and expectations.

    In Denmark/Sweden and several EU countries, women have been raped/harassed in public for not donning certain religious wear. Laws have been changed to accommodate certain militant aspects in particular religions. How can we claim to protect cultures and learn from them if we lose our own?

    What unity in our nation will we will have if we have no national identity? To be in another country is to respect it, and if one is to reside there, one must be aware of the customs. So the same must be said for western civilizations. We cannot forget the past, of Imperialism, but we cannot build our policies both public and foreign on guilt of past colonial aggressions.

    I value my country, my freedom and my fellow citizens, regardless of age, regardless of party and regardless of race. Together we have to come to fair terms with preserving our own culture without destroying the opportunities of others to find a better life. The current multicultural idea of just accepting anyone and everyone with only the hintest reference of learning english is unacceptable. Most people who support multiculturalism are suburban middle class to upper middle class individuals, who attend post secondary and live their lives shielded from the real causes of multiculturalism, who have never experienced real repression.

    For every offence against someone who is different, there is always a similar story occurring in their country where the values they believed were challenged. It is natural to be blinded by rhetoric, but the policies of certain governments will spell the end for our own culture within a decade. Islam will take over.

    Where did you cut and paste that from?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,297 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    I thought this thread was all going to be about little feel good stories, no?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Academic


    Hope multiculturalism is working out well also, in the one or two countries where women can't show their ankles

    On the flip side, it's done wonders for progressive Sweden, so successful they're barring men from their Bråvalla music Festival next year.

    [...]

    I think it was pretty clear in the original post that he or she is talking about multiculturalism in Ireland.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    The GAA is one of the best things about this country it's actually a version of multiculturalism itself in that it's an example of Irish culture.

    they're an example of the worst type of irish narrow-mindedness ...you had the ban, no foreign (brit) games in their stadia, maybe they've opened up in recent times but their track record isn't great


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,435 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    marcus001 wrote: »
    No, the one that is totally inorganic and manufactured.

    You have a choice. Run with the pack if you please, but there's plenty of positive cultures to immerse yourself that isn't inorganic or manufactured in our little country.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's neither a good or a bad thing it just is what it is.
    Wow what a great person, I mean a non muslim irish barber has never done something like that for a child.
    If anything the opening post is a load of patronizing nonsense and is exactly the type of ****e that pisses people off about supposed "diversity". Praising someone who happens to be different for doing nothing more than the average born and raised irishman would do i.e be pleasant.

    You were fine about it in the first reaction, then irritated, and then downright annoyed...:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭marcus001


    Football is a much much better sport, more participants, more people watching it's actually managed to get people playing it on an all ireland basis which is something the hurling lads have failed to do.

    That's because hurling is harder to just pick up you have to start young, or at least it's perceived as such.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,297 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    You were fine about it in the first reaction, then irritated, and then downright annoyed...:)



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    You were fine about it in the first reaction, then irritated, and then downright annoyed...:)

    I wanted to do the 3rd post first but decided to be nice but couldn't hold off so I gradually worked my way towards it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    When I was a child in the park with my friends I would always think "I wish that stupid white Catholic paddy on the swing was black or Muslim so I could experience a different culture".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    fryup wrote: »
    oh its definitely a good thing we've become more sophisticated and cosmopolitan as a nation instead of the backward backwater that we use to be

    now if only we could get rid of the GAA

    sophisticated yeah?in what sense?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭marcus001


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    You have a choice. Run with the pack if you please, but there's plenty of positive cultures to immerse yourself that isn't inorganic or manufactured in our little country.

    I'm not against multiculturalism (although I am against large scale immigration for our little country for economic and infrastructural reasons), I just don't like the idea that in order to promote other cultures people feel the need to denigrate their own.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Football is a much much better sport, more participants, more people watching it's actually managed to get people playing it on an all ireland basis which is something the hurling lads have failed to do.

    Except they don't kick the ball with the foot much anymore....it's kind of devolved to suit inferior players/talent across a sectrum of counties to make it more "competitive"

    I'm not desputing it's better organised and more participants....it's just not as skilfull as hurling,by natural order it can't be


    The late ned power of tallow in the 60's produced a hurling skills training manual showing there to be up 99 different methods of striking the ball....

    Which few if any master them all (when was last time someone scored with a overhead first time strike intercounty:( )


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