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Would you consider these school shoes?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭LirW


    I think the point is after school they change out of their school uniforms anyway. At least all the kids here do because they're outside the whole afternoon. So they still wear tons of normal clothes too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    LirW wrote: »
    I think the point is after school they change out of their school uniforms anyway. At least all the kids here do because they're outside the whole afternoon. So they still wear tons of normal clothes too.

    Is that the school's fault too? Maybe don't have kids if you can't afford to dress them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,945 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    LirW wrote: »
    I think the point is after school they change out of their school uniforms anyway. At least all the kids here do because they're outside the whole afternoon. So they still wear tons of normal clothes too.

    Do teenagers in secondary school go out and play after school?(not being smart with you)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Do teenagers in secondary school go out and play after school?(not being smart with you)

    I didn't. I either stayed in my uniform all evening or changed into my pajamas :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭LirW


    At least I see plenty of them hanging around here in the village in normal clothes really.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    That sounds a little unhygienic. Not to mention logically unsound. If a child wore a non-uniform shirt and trousers every day for the year, why would that cost more money?

    The hoops people jump to in order to justify an opinion with no real basis in fact is astounding.
    This, in a country where back to school costs are, what, 1200 euros or something mental. We don't spend anything near that for 5 years of primary for both kids where I am. 120 quid for a flimsy crested jacket and people will defend this blatant gombeenism and make out it's a bargain.

    How do kids in other countries not stab one another to death and get addicted to crack when they don't wear uniforms? It's nothing short of a miracle.

    I would like to know where the €1200 figure for annual back to school costs came out of , even with an iPad and e-books it's no where near that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,945 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I would like to know where the €1200 figure for annual back to school costs came out of , even with an iPad and e-books it's no where near that.

    I saw some of these surveys before and they include lunches for the year!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭LirW


    anna080 wrote: »
    Is that the school's fault too? Maybe don't have kids if you can't afford to dress them.

    Ah jesus, it's that time again. Where in heaven's earth did anyone say that they can't afford it? Wasn't it just a talk about it works out cheaper with uniforms which in some cases like yours are but for plenty of others it's not the case.
    What does that have to do with not being able to afford kids?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    LirW wrote: »
    Ah jesus, it's that time again. Where in heaven's earth did anyone say that they can't afford it? Wasn't it just a talk about it works out cheaper with uniforms which in some cases like yours are but for plenty of others it's not the case.
    What does that have to do with not being able to afford kids?

    Well then what was your point? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    a school is not authority. the only authority are the gards, courts, and parents.

    As soon as a child enters the school grounds the teachers and b.o.m have responsibility for them , they have to have authority


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭LirW


    That you're wrong with your assumption that it works out cheaper generally having school uniforms. Some kids don't change, some do. Goes for primary and secondary. You basically add on the cost of uniforms on normal clothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    I saw some of these surveys before and they include lunches for the year!

    I suppose home schooled children don't eat


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    LirW wrote: »
    That you're wrong with your assumption that it works out cheaper generally having school uniforms. Some kids don't change, some do. Goes for primary and secondary. You basically add on the cost of uniforms on normal clothing.

    Don't be daft. If they change after school then it's more than likely into a grubby tracksuit. Sending them to school sans uniform every day would mean you'd be needing new formal wear every day- plus new active wear for PE. The kid who wears the same clothes everyday would be mocked and picked on. We are talking about teens who are the most self conscious, self obsessed people going. They would need new clothes everyday. Having them all in the same uniform cuts costs at the end of the day. It's that basic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,945 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    anna080 wrote: »
    Don't be daft. If they change after school then it's more than likely into a grubby tracksuit. Sending them to school sans uniform every day would mean you'd be needing new formal wear every day- plus new active wear for PE. The kid who wears the same clothes everyday would be mocked and picked on. We are talking about teens who are the most self conscious, self obsessed people going. They would need new clothes everyday. Having them all in the same uniform cuts costs at the end of the day. It's that basic.

    We didn't have a school jacket and they used be a lot of pressure over jackets/coat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,905 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    What a load of nonsense the school policy is. I remember from my school days teachers used go on a big clampdown on uniform and other crap around the start of the school year. Come in wearing a blacked out pair of air maxes in the middle of November and no one will bat an eyelid.

    School uniforms are stupid anyway most other countries bar the UK or its colonies wear them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭LirW


    The way plenty of teenagers are is that they change after school if they go out to meet friends or going to any kind of after school sport. The neighbors kids always did, the teens around here always do from the look of it. Maybe it's just my impression but I don't see it as unusual to change really. Especially the girls tend to wear nicer things than the grubby tracksuit after school.
    It is strongly recommended that students should take off their uniform when they arrive home. Please note that students who wear uniform after school are still identifiable with the school and school rules apply.

    That's from the local secondary. They see it as a norm, the students around here do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    What a load of nonsense the school policy is. I remember from my school days teachers used go on a big clampdown on uniform and other crap around the start of the school year. Come in wearing a blacked out pair of air maxes in the middle of November and no one will bat an eyelid.

    School uniforms are stupid anyway most other countries bar the UK or its colonies wear them.

    You can always choose to home school your child if the school policy is something you have issue with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Are school uniforms designed so that they make kids look as ugly as possible to uphold some sort of Catholic modesty?

    I don't mind uniforms although I never had to wear them but I would never buy non school jumpers made out of material school jumpers are made of. It's absolutely horrendous.

    Anyway I find it slightly entertaining that this kind of shoes get you sent out of the school. I remember torn fishnets, Dr. Martens shoes, denim jackets with skull patches, torn jeans and all sorts of make up and hair styles and we were the good kids. We would be punished not wearing slippers in school though . :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,945 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    What a load of nonsense the school policy is. I remember from my school days teachers used go on a big clampdown on uniform and other crap around the start of the school year. Come in wearing a blacked out pair of air maxes in the middle of November and no one will bat an eyelid.

    School uniforms are stupid anyway most other countries bar the UK or its colonies wear them.

    I think the school got a new principal so he/she might have a zero tolerance policy to it all during the year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,896 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    Delphinium wrote: »
    Uniform is a basic requirement in most schools and makes life easier and, dare I say, cheaper for all. Would your child wear the same non uniform clothes day in, day out, for a school year? How many outfits would you have to buy and have a fight over in the morning.

    So, it's cheaper to have to buy an extra wardrobe of outfits that can't be used in any other venue?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,945 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Are school uniforms designed so that they make kids look as ugly as possible to uphold some sort of Catholic modesty?

    I don't mind uniforms although I never had to wear them but I would never buy non school jumpers made out of material school jumpers are made of. It's absolutely horrendous.

    How ever hideous some uniforms look wearing a pair of black runners with school/formal pants/trousers look awful especially when the kids hit secondary school.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭somefeen


    xtradel wrote: »
    Why's his leg so hairy?

    Emmmm puberty?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,905 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    anna080 wrote: »
    You can always choose to home school your child if the school policy is something you have issue with.

    You could also say blacks in 1950s could just stay at home instead of being segregated when they go out and about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭Cortina_MK_IV


    Poor oul Jorgie will throw a wobbler if this happens. School sends pupils home for wearing the wrong shade of trousers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,371 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    come on folks.. it's plainly obvious that these are not shoes in the sense intended by the policy of the school. Those are black runners (and no, runners are not shoes in this context either!)

    Regardless of whether it's "not fair" or "ridiculous", that's the policy and any issues with it should be dealt with by writing to the board of management or meeting with the principal.. not whinging about it on the airwaves.

    Besides, it does no harm to let kids know at that age that there are rules they may not always agree with, but have to live with regardless. That's life and they'll be in for a big shock when they join the working world in places like offices or the service industry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Besides, it does no harm to let kids know at that age that there are rules they may not always agree with, but have to live with regardless. That's life and they'll be in for a big shock when they join the working world in places like offices or the service industry.

    So that's what conditions Irish to tolerate those awful black polyester trousers. :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 328 ✭✭Synthol


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    come on folks.. it's plainly obvious that these are not shoes in the sense intended by the policy of the school. Those are black runners (and no, runners are not shoes in this context either!)

    Regardless of whether it's "not fair" or "ridiculous", that's the policy and any issues with it should be dealt with by writing to the board of management or meeting with the principal.. not whinging about it on the airwaves.

    Besides, it does no harm to let kids know at that age that there are rules they may not always agree with, but have to live with regardless. That's life and they'll be in for a big shock when they join the working world in places like offices or the service industry.


    Stopped reading after runners are not shoes. Yeah I think you're right there buddy, it's actually a jacket.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,945 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Besides, it does no harm to let kids know at that age that there are rules they may not always agree with, but have to live with regardless. That's life and they'll be in for a big shock when they join the working world in places like offices or the service industry.
    Synthol wrote: »
    Stopped reading after runners are not shoes. Yeah I think you're right there buddy, it's actually a jacket.


    When I worked in hotels I always praised principals like this. It's important that people learn the difference between shoes and runners and if your require to wear shoes you wear them and not a pair of runners.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,539 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    anna080 wrote: »
    Is that the school's fault too? Maybe don't have kids if you can't afford to dress them.


    or maybe instead, lets not have possibly the most expensive back to school costs in europe, if not the world. people can afford to dress the kids, not to be spending ridiculous money on something that is supposed to be there to avoid spending ridiculous money.
    Stephen15 wrote: »
    What a load of nonsense the school policy is. I remember from my school days teachers used go on a big clampdown on uniform and other crap around the start of the school year. Come in wearing a blacked out pair of air maxes in the middle of November and no one will bat an eyelid.

    School uniforms are stupid anyway most other countries bar the UK or its colonies wear them.

    i agree. all though in it's defence, it is supposed to (in theory at least) stop the keeping up with the joneses nonsense that the dim in society practice. sadly though, in a lot of cases it's hugely expensive with no competition or choice. that doesn't help the situation, along with the voluntary contribution that actually isn't voluntary. the costs mean we have to pay out quite a bit in grants and things to help, when instead we could force down the costs and help that way.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    They're obviously not the right shoes, I'm sure he and his mother knew they weren't acceptable but sure tried to chance it anyway, he was sent home for not complying with the correct dress code he and his mother agreed to.

    I don't see what the big deal is.


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