Would you consider these school shoes?

06-09-2017 08:34PM

The shoes are black like it's not like they are massively distracting
Can't believe someone was sent home over it

freshpopcorn · 06-09-2017 08:36PM

bluewolf wrote: »

The shoes are black like it's not like they are massively distracting
Can't believe someone was sent home over it

The problem is tough they weren't shoes they were runners/trainers which weren't allowed.

wordofwarning · 06-09-2017 08:39PM

antodeco wrote: »

Happened with my daughter. Was told they needed to be black shoes. Got sent home and told they are not allowed. Told the school to go and sh1te.

She was also sent home because she was wearing a jacket that wasn't the school jacket. You're only allowed to wear the school jacket in her school. Costs €120. They were also told to go and sh1te

And when she is in a job and they ask her to wear a uniform. Do you think that attitude will fly?

Schools enforce this rule over the fact that generic uniforms make it easier for everyone. Jordan and Chantella will not be demanding the latest and most expensive shoes as everyone has them, if they are generic fugly black shoes.

Most schools have a school jacket rule. 99.9% don't have an issue if you remove the jacket going in the door of the school. Likewise Im sure the policy is stop children demanding expensive North Face and Canada Goose jackets off parents.

Ask any teacher about a non-uniform day. It is a ****ing nightmare for most, as the child have petty issues over what their friends are wearing. That is not an issue if everyone is wearing the same thing...

One eyed Jack · 06-09-2017 08:39PM

Surreptitious wrote: »

You know exactly what I meant. I'm hardly expecting kids to be working.

I do know exactly what you meant, that's why I said it. I wouldn't blame the child or the school for this situation at all, it's entirely the parents responsibility to adhere to the school policy of the school in which they chose to enrol their child.

Boom_Bap · 06-09-2017 08:41PM

you'd find them in the sportsware/trainers/runners section of a shop. You wouldn't find them in the old fashioned outdated uncomfortable school shoe section of the torture shop.

Technically not shoes, but why the f*ck would a school complain about them.

One eyed Jack · 06-09-2017 08:43PM

IrishTerrier42 wrote: »

‘runners’ technically are shoes by definition, so If they wanted him wearing black oxfords or whatever then they should probably have specified that.

Be as 'technical' as you want about it. It's obvious to most people that there's a difference between shoes and runners - one is a walking shoe, the other is a running shoe, two completely different types of footwear for two completely different activities.

antodeco · 06-09-2017 08:43PM

wordofwarning wrote: »

And when she is in a job and they ask her to wear a uniform. Do you think that attitude will fly?

Yes. If your job requires you to wear a uniform then you are entitled to either have one provided, or you are entitled to claim it back under flat rate expenses.

"Work clothes" are different to a uniform

freshpopcorn · 06-09-2017 08:46PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

you'd find them in the sportsware/trainers/runners section of a shop. You wouldn't find them in the old fashioned outdated uncomfortable school shoe section of the torture shop.

Technically not shoes, but why the f*ck would a school complain about them.

Well from my experience it was only the rough lads who used chance getting away with wearing them. When they knew it was against the rules.
They are plenty of comfy school shoes on the market now. It's not like the past.

freshpopcorn · 06-09-2017 08:47PM

antodeco wrote: »

Yes. If your job requires you to wear a uniform then you are entitled to either have one provided, or you are entitled to claim it back under flat rate expenses.

"Work clothes" are different to a uniform

You sign a contract at work agreeing to wear a certain uniform and in secondary school you sign a code of conduct along with your parents agreeing the same.

suicide_circus · 06-09-2017 08:52PM

Black leather school/church shoes. Kickers are a safe bet.
They can be teamed with some stone washed bootcut jeans when attending the teen disco covered in a full can of Lynx Africa.

Delphinium · 06-09-2017 08:52PM

Uniform is a basic requirement in most schools and makes life easier and, dare I say, cheaper for all. Would your child wear the same non uniform clothes day in, day out, for a school year? How many outfits would you have to buy and have a fight over in the morning.
Also, being strict on uniform and appearance is a building block for discipline. Parents are given ample time to source the requirements and they do sign a form agreeing to abide by the rules. They should encourage the child to take pride in their school and it's uniform.
Evenings and weekends, holidays all give opportunity to be individuals.

LETHAL LADY · 06-09-2017 08:56PM

My son's all boys school has a uniform and a black shoe policy. The majority of kids wear black trainers and very few wear black shoes. The school has been granted deis status so I suppose it's easier to leave the trivial things slide.

LordSutch · 06-09-2017 08:57PM

Cheap black trainers from Pennys or Dunnes?

No no no

I presume your school has a dress code.

IrishTerrier42 · 06-09-2017 08:58PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

IrishTerrier42 wrote: »

‘runners’ technically are shoes by definition, so If they wanted him wearing black oxfords or whatever then they should probably have specified that.

Be as 'technical' as you want about it. It's obvious to most people that there's a difference between shoes and runners - one is a walking shoe, the other is a running shoe, two completely different types of footwear for two completely different activities.

Well clearly it's not obvious to everybody, otherwise that kid's mother probably would have brought him the proper type of footwear.

freshpopcorn · 06-09-2017 08:59PM

IrishTerrier42 wrote: »

Well clearly it's not obvious to everybody, otherwise that kid's mother probably would have brought him the proper type of footwear.

The lad didn't want to wear school shoes because they were to old fashioned for him!

antodeco · 06-09-2017 09:01PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

You sign a contract at work agreeing to wear a certain uniform and in secondary school you sign a code of conduct along with your parents agreeing the same.

Eh, no we didn't. Nothing was ever said about having to purchase the school jacket. This is why they were told where to go.

Nowhere in any employment contract I've ever signed does it state specific clothing.

freshpopcorn · 06-09-2017 09:04PM

antodeco wrote: »

Eh, no we didn't. Nothing was ever said about having to purchase the school jacket. This is why they were told where to go.

Nowhere in any employment contract I've ever signed does it state specific clothing.

I had a different experience to you then.
We signed a code of conduct in secondary school with various polices along with a uniform one.(Parents also signed it)
I worked in hotels and I generally had a policy about wear black shoes.

snowflaker · 06-09-2017 09:05PM

They are not shoes.

Rubber soled trainers!

FatherTed · 06-09-2017 09:09PM

Does wearing black leather shoes make it easier to learn algebra?

06-09-2017 09:14PM

IrishTerrier42 wrote: »

Well clearly it's not obvious to everybody, otherwise that kid's mother probably would have brought him the proper type of footwear.

It's not obvious at all. I'm not from Ireland, and have just had this thread educate me that a runner is not a shoe. Will I now be told a cat is not an animal?

freshpopcorn · 06-09-2017 09:15PM

FatherTed wrote: »

Does wearing black leather shoes make it easier to learn algebra?

It's more to do woth stopping lads wearing scruffy runners around school and to stop footwear becoming fashionable in the school.

colm_mcm · 06-09-2017 09:15PM

FatherTed wrote: »

Does wearing black leather shoes make it easier to learn algebra?

There are those who would say yes, less distraction from learning if kids aren't trying to outdo each other with trainers. You can apply the same logic to school uniforms or staff working in non customer facing office jobs.

suicide_circus · 06-09-2017 09:16PM

I hope the brothers gave him a cane across his arse for showing up in a pair of plimsolls

colm_mcm · 06-09-2017 09:20PM

Sofiztikated · 06-09-2017 09:22PM

antodeco wrote: »

Eh, no we didn't. Nothing was ever said about having to purchase the school jacket. This is why they were told where to go.

Nowhere in any employment contract I've ever signed does it state specific clothing.

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I had a different experience to you then.
We signed a code of conduct in secondary school with various polices along with a uniform one.(Parents also signed it)
I worked in hotels and I generally had a policy about wear black shoes.

I've worked in hospitality for more years than I care to admit, and every single employment I've been in had a dress code, right down to the colour socks.

IrishTerrier42 · 06-09-2017 09:50PM

Basil3 wrote: »

IrishTerrier42 wrote: »

Well clearly it's not obvious to everybody, otherwise that kid's mother probably would have brought him the proper type of footwear.

It's not obvious at all. I'm not from Ireland, and have just had this thread educate me that a runner is not a shoe. Will I now be told a cat is not an animal?

Exactly. I'm not Irish either. :P
They also apparently do the same thing with the word 'shirt' where it only applies to dress shirts.

osarusan · 06-09-2017 09:52PM

They can have their dress code and be strict if they want to, that's their business.

For me the question is if they really did send the student home, how old the student was, and whether they checked to see if there was any adult at home.

sligojoek · 06-09-2017 10:02PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

By the way anybody talking about financial issues should know the mother was on holidays in Portugal at the time.

And she said she spends more on haircuts for him than on herself

freshpopcorn · 06-09-2017 10:03PM

osarusan wrote: »

They can have their dress code and be strict if they want to, that's their business.

For me the question is if they really did send the student home, how old the student was, and whether they checked to see if there was any adult at home.

He was 16/17 in 5th year. Mammy was on holidays in Portugal.

Sofiztikated · 06-09-2017 10:07PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

He was 16/17 in 5th year. Mammy was on holidays in Portugal.

**** sake, I thought it was an 8 year old.

Jog on, get a pair of shoes, and do as you're told kid.

EDIT: Just looked at the picture again, didn't see the leg hair.

Would you consider these school shoes?

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