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Harvesting Asteroids

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    ScumLord wrote: »
    Mars would make a good base to work from if we are serious about mining asteroids. We'd probably need to find an asteroid that stays relatively close to mars kind of following its orbit.
    The bottom of a gravity well is not a good base for space exploration.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    The bottom of a gravity well is not a good base for space exploration.
    It depends, if the other base is further away at the bottom of a bigger gravity well, it might not be so bad.

    I'm kind of assuming that we'll need to use gravity wells as jump off points. Being in orbit around mars means you can use mars to fling you towards something, is space travel even possible without a gravity well slingshot.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    ScumLord wrote: »
    , is space travel even possible without a gravity well slingshot.
    A gravity well can be handy if you are using chemical rockets see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberth_effect
    Aerobraking is also handy if you want to slow down.

    But chemical rockets are very inefficient compared to Ion drive in the long run. Even to get from Low Earth Orbit to Geo synch where all the TV satellites you can double your payload by using ion drives.

    The Japanese have used a solar sail to get to Venus.


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    Asteroid mining. Only decade away? Claims Washington Post.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,335 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Start-up for-profit companies are being formed to someday mine asteroids like Deep Space Industries, which may or may not survive a competitive marketplace.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,300 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Note several space mining companies. Practical today?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    Fathom wrote: »
    Remember Earth-skimming DA14 asteroid? L-type asteroid. 50 meters wide. Could proposed Fire Fly or equivalent spacecraft catch such asteroids? Drag them into Earth orbit. Harvest them using robotics. Estimated $195 billion of minerals. DA14 passed at distance of 17,200 miles in 2013.

    Practical with today's technology? Your thoughts?

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    Good idea but why travel the distance to it, then drag it back to mine it, why not travel to it, mine it and ship the valuable stuff back? to me it would make more sense


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,335 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    But chemical rockets are very inefficient compared to Ion drive in the long run. Even to get from Low Earth Orbit to Geo synch where all the TV satellites you can double your payload by using ion drives.

    3 NSTAR ion thrusters on the Dawn spacecraft launched 2007 allowed it to orbit the protoplanets Vesta and Ceres in asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.


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    Black Swan wrote: »
    3 NSTAR ion thrusters on the Dawn spacecraft launched 2007 allowed it to orbit the protoplanets Vesta and Ceres in asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula




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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Meanwhile the Russians have been using Hall Effect thrusters for yonks.

    Not as efficient as the latest and greatest western prototypes, however they are cheap, simple and very reliable in orbit.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,300 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Meanwhile the Russians have been using Hall Effect thrusters for yonks. Not as efficient as the latest and greatest western prototypes, however they are cheap, simple and very reliable in orbit.
    plasma-thrusters-pp-17-638.jpg?cb=1453209807


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