So my car needs a new engine..

Yawns · 06-09-2017 08:19PM

I'd expect to pay between €1100 - €1500 for engine and labour. That's enough of a rough guide to work with that should vary with different mechanics. 3k is bat **** insane.

Toyotafanboi · 06-09-2017 08:48PM

Yawns wrote: »

I'd expect to pay between €1100 - €1500 for engine and labour.

If you have a 1.4 Corolla maybe.

You'll not get one of those 1.6 HDI engines for that money, or at least not a trustworthy one

Voodoomelon · 06-09-2017 08:57PM

colm_mcm wrote: »

The one for a grand is a lottery though. If the one for €3k is actually reconditioned then it may be worth making extra for, you're relying on their word for it though.

I'm going against the grain here I suppose, but realistically, KKV isn't going to buy a 00 Avensis. What he has is still pretty modern, and they're very comfy, yeah they're probably only worth €5-6k but it's worth €0 as it sits. Spending €3k to make it worth even €4K makes sense in this case. It's down to what are you getting for the €3k - what new parts have they put in, what's the warranty etc.

Good article here that goes into a bit of detail
http://www.drive.com.au/tips-and-advice/why-reconditioned-neednt-mean-good-condition-20100824-13npr.html

Good link that. But almost laughable in this country at the same time.

"Starting with a full tear-down of the motor:
-every moving part should be either replaced or returned to its original specification.
-Parts slated for replacement should include the pistons, all bearings (camshaft, main and big-end) timing chains or timing gears, lifters, valves and valve springs.
-Other components, such as the crankshaft, should be machined to return the bearing surfaces to as-new. Conrods should likewise be carefully inspected and tested for cracks and stretching.
-The camshaft should either be replaced or reground back to its original specifications.
-The cylinder block itself needs to be re-bored and honed for a perfectly round, cross-hatched finish that will be compatible with the new pistons and rings.
-Other components such as the oil pump should be replaced."

Is there a single place in the country that does all that as a matter of course? I doubt it. More like "whats wrong with this one? Big end bearings? Swap them out and stick it on a pallet when you're done".

Peanut2011 · 06-09-2017 09:01PM

I've used IVI few years ago to change Mondeo's engine. It was €1,500 supply and fit.

The chaos were decent to deal with but warranty is not great and is short. Unfortunately it only lasted for a year and we had to scrap the car after.

Yawns · 06-09-2017 09:03PM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

If you have a 1.4 Corolla maybe.

You'll not get one of those 1.6 HDI engines for that money, or at least not a trustworthy one

Father got a 1.6 sourced and fitted for that money and it's still going a year later with mileage similar to the op...

Toyotafanboi · 06-09-2017 09:07PM

Yawns wrote: »

Father got a 1.6 sourced and fitted for that money and it's still going a year later with mileage similar to the op...

He should play the lottery!

Yawns · 06-09-2017 09:08PM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

He should play the lottery!

Probably. Or just never buy a ford again. He's had awful trouble with them over the years. I'll never buy a car with that 1.6 engine again anyway.

dr.fuzzenstein · 06-09-2017 09:13PM

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Good link that. But almost laughable in this country at the same time.

"Starting with a full tear-down of the motor:
-every moving part should be either replaced or returned to its original specification.
-Parts slated for replacement should include the pistons, all bearings (camshaft, main and big-end) timing chains or timing gears, lifters, valves and valve springs.
-Other components, such as the crankshaft, should be machined to return the bearing surfaces to as-new. Conrods should likewise be carefully inspected and tested for cracks and stretching.
-The camshaft should either be replaced or reground back to its original specifications.
-The cylinder block itself needs to be re-bored and honed for a perfectly round, cross-hatched finish that will be compatible with the new pistons and rings.
-Other components such as the oil pump should be replaced."

Is there a single place in the country that does all that as a matter of course? I doubt it. More like "whats wrong with this one? Big end bearings? Swap them out and stick it on a pallet when you're done".

That whole joblist makes perfect sense. If you're talking about an engine from a 1970's classic car with a few hundred thousand miles on it that sat in a a barn for 30 years being used as a chicken coop.
On a modern used engine with less than €50k km on it that is designs to go round the 100k quite a number of times, that level of rebuild is batsh*t crazy and complete overkill.

Toyotafanboi · 06-09-2017 09:18PM

Yawns wrote: »

Probably. Or just never buy a ford again. He's had awful trouble with them over the years. I'll never buy a car with that 1.6 engine again anyway.

It does seem like that style of diesel engine is going the way of the past very very quickly.

magentis · 06-09-2017 09:33PM

Yawns wrote: »

Probably. Or just never buy a ford again. He's had awful trouble with them over the years. I'll never buy a car with that 1.6 engine again anyway.

Had two cars with that engine,over 250,000 miles put on them,never an issue.

These engines need oil changes every 8,000 miles with a low saps 5w30 c2 oil,they are a very dirty engine compared to others.The sump is badly designed in them too in that the drain plug is a little recessed into the sump and its difficult to drain them properly.The turbo oil feed pipe strainer can block easily also.Injector clamps not being tight enough can be a cause of sludge build up too apparently.
I understand that in many cases of turbo failure the replacement often fails a short time later.Once these get sludged up its very difficult to get them clear again.
A difficult engine to buy from a breakers imo.

Toyotafanboi · 06-09-2017 09:47PM

Seen this pic on a Facebook page recently, 1.6 HDI oil filter that ran over it's service interval.

honda boi · 06-09-2017 10:04PM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Seen this pic on a Facebook page recently, 1.6 HDI oil filter that ran over it's service interval.

Probaly ran over only by a few miles knowing that engine

06-09-2017 10:38PM

discodaveirl wrote: »

Did you try condron dismantlers? Nearly sure they provide a supply and fit service.

I'll google and ring them, do no harm.

ectoraige wrote: »

We replaced the engine in our 2010 C4 Picasso in January, also a 1.6 tdi. We got it from a breakers, it had 60,000 km on it and included turbo, I think it cost somewhere in the region of €450. Our mechanic fit it for €600.

Care to mention the mechanic's name?

Peanut2011 wrote: »

I've used IVI few years ago to change Mondeo's engine. It was €1,500 supply and fit.

The chaos were decent to deal with but warranty is not great and is short. Unfortunately it only lasted for a year and we had to scrap the car after.

I seen them on a google search but the number listed didn't work when I tried to ring it. I presumed they'd perhaps closed up shop or something. I'll try them again tomorrow and hope for the best.

A few people have mentioned a place up north called Traynors, who apparently have engines galore and will deliver them to you, which means you're in the lottery game, but you then are just lookign to get a mechanic to do an engine swapover.

I've been hearing the same thing over and over, that €3k is mental money. I'd like to half the cost but at the same time, it's easier said than done. I'll ring a few more places tomorrow and see what happens.

mikeybrennan · 06-09-2017 10:42PM

ectoraige wrote: »

We replaced the engine in our 2010 C4 Picasso in January, also a 1.6 tdi. We got it from a breakers, it had 60,000 km on it and included turbo, I think it cost somewhere in the region of €450. Our mechanic fit it for €600.

There's a joke in there somewhere:)

road_high · 06-09-2017 11:32PM

Yawns wrote: »

Probably. Or just never buy a ford again. He's had awful trouble with them over the years. I'll never buy a car with that 1.6 engine again anyway.

That 1.6 d in so many PSA, Fords and Volvos etc strikes again!
Are still making this pile of rubbish or haszit been completely overhauled? The amount of threads on here involving that particular engine is crazy...

road_high · 06-09-2017 11:34PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'll google and ring them, do no harm.

Care to mention the mechanic's name?

I seen them on a google search but the number listed didn't work when I tried to ring it. I presumed they'd perhaps closed up shop or something. I'll try them again tomorrow and hope for the best.

A few people have mentioned a place up north called Traynors, who apparently have engines galore and will deliver them to you, which means you're in the lottery game, but you then are just lookign to get a mechanic to do an engine swapover.

I've been hearing the same thing over and over, that €3k is mental money. I'd like to half the cost but at the same time, it's easier said than done. I'll ring a few more places tomorrow and see what happens.

Seem to have an active website anyhow -
http://www.iviengines.ie/

colm_mcm · 06-09-2017 11:34PM

road_high wrote: »

That 1.6 d in so many PSA, Fords and Volvos etc strikes again!
Are still making this pile of rubbish or haszit been completely overhauled? The amount of threads on here involving that particular engine is crazy...

They've (ford) moved to a 1.5 now, we have them at work doing 100k a year mostly city driving and no issues.

Initially was available in the Fiesta. But now on courier, connect, Mondeo, Focus, etc - even kuga.

bazz26 · 06-09-2017 11:40PM

Ford's 1.5 is derived from the older 1.6 PSA unit afaik.

colm_mcm · 06-09-2017 11:48PM

bazz26 wrote: »

Ford's 1.5 is derived from the older 1.6 PSA unit afaik.

So they say. Could just mean they use the same block

road_high · 07-09-2017 12:13AM

What are PSA doing? Are Mazda, Volvo and Mini still using it also?
It was very popular and common here due to the Irish love of small capacity diesels... remember that was a factor in me buying one way back when. The issues weren't well known circa 2008 though

colm_mcm · 07-09-2017 12:20AM

Mazda have done their own 1.5 Skyactiv diesel. Volvo see, to have gone to a 2.0 diesel in the V40, and mini are using a BMW 3 cylinder 1.5

grogi · 07-09-2017 09:20AM

road_high wrote: »

That 1.6 d in so many PSA, Fords and Volvos etc strikes again!
Are still making this pile of rubbish or haszit been completely overhauled? The amount of threads on here involving that particular engine is crazy...

And how many of them are bringing people each day to school or work? They are in soooo many Focuses, Fiestas, Mondeos, C3, C4, C5, S40, V50, Mazda3?! They are in loads of work horses, such as Partner or Berlingo...

This was an entry level diesel engine for majority of them, majority of those cars are using a variation of it. It is only natural that higher absolute numbers of it will pop up.

It's far from perfect, but with proper servicing it works very well. What's more, the SOHC version - fitted from around 2012 - has different mounting of the injectors, which helps a lot. Unfortunately not a lot of the garages know how to service it...

grogi · 07-09-2017 09:21AM

bazz26 wrote: »

Ford's 1.5 is derived from the older 1.6 PSA unit afaik.

Yes. And it shares same characteristics - such as the narrow and curvy oil feeder to the turbo, that passes next to the DPF.

bazz26 · 07-09-2017 10:26AM

Volvo use their own in-house diesel engines these days since being sold by Ford.

ectoraige · 07-09-2017 11:09AM

mikeybrennan wrote: »

There's a joke in there somewhere:)

If there is, I don't get it...?

ectoraige · 07-09-2017 11:15AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Care to mention the mechanic's name?

PM sent.

jhud · 07-09-2017 11:46AM

Just wanted to point out have you asked if you go with supply and fit engine with warranty will the warranty be still covered due to mileage you are doing some may have a set mileage so maybe something to check as well as you may only get 6 months due to your mileage as you say 50K km

Markcheese · 07-09-2017 02:20PM

Actually on the warranty.. If it's supply and fit the warranty should cover all of that... If it's supply only, the crowd selling you the engine aren't going to cover the cost of refitting another new engine.. Which could leave you seriously out of pocket..

07-09-2017 02:52PM

With supply and fit im getting a 12 month warranty. If they say it's only for X mileage, i'll just push them into giving 12 months.

So the situation i am in at present is that IVI crowd said they can supply and fit a 'good as new, tested and conditioned' engine for €2900. But I'd have to get the car to them (I didnt ask them about towing, but assuming they want €100 to tow, then i'd be back at the same price as Dan Daly's in Dunshaughlin, who are offering pretty much the same service, but looking for €3000.

IVI said it's 2900 and that's it. Whereas Daly's said they might be able to do something on price once they actually look at it.

In the meantime, a chap that knows me on Facebook messaged me and said he works in a scrapyard and can give me a decent engine for £350 (Sterling). So about €400, but that's without 'injectors and turbo' (as presumably mine should be okay). I can get it fitted by a mechanic (Havent priced one yet). I'd guess i could go down that route for about 1100-1300 all in.

So I'm looking at about €1300 for a 2nd hand engine, supplied and fitted by two different people (so no warranty, cos they'll both blame each other if anything goes wrong).

Or about €3000 for a reconditioned with 12 month warranty, supplied and fitted by a crowd that specialise in engines.

Even though 3k is mental money, considering i do such high mileage, and i drive around about 22counties on a regular basis (I live in Drogheda, but I broke down in Tipperary, for example), I think that the peace of mind that comes with a reconditioned, tested, etc. engine with a guarantee seems like it might be worth the extra money for the sake of having confidence in the car in general?

Or am i being a bit silly with that thinking..?

Has anyone got any knowledge of this, or know any questions that might be important that i should be running by the engine crowd? Talk of injectors and turbos has me completely thrown altogether. Is the turbo part of the engine? or a separate component altogether?

mikeybrennan · 07-09-2017 03:07PM

You can take a chance and spend the 1000 ,you.might get lucky but be prepared to lose it

Not worth spending the big money though

So my car needs a new engine..

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