Remember that dead homeless man people were concerned about? Turns out he was a nonce

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 05-09-2017 07:10PM

mikeybrennan wrote: »

Let the paedo bashing bandwagon begin rolling

What do you expect in all fairness?

Galwayguy35 · 05-09-2017 07:11PM

mikeybrennan wrote: »

Let the paedo bashing bandwagon begin rolling

Why, do you think they are worth defending?

Ipso · 05-09-2017 07:11PM

mikeybrennan wrote: »

Let the paedo bashing bandwagon begin rolling

I won't jump on that bandwagon. Brendan Smyth, not a bad fella.

mikeybrennan · 05-09-2017 07:13PM

Winterlong wrote: »

There would not be too many people defending a paedo to be fair. Lowest of the low.

Ya but you get a lot of the lowest types bashing them too

Anyone slightly better than a paedo has licence to bash them

Ipso · 05-09-2017 07:13PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

What do you expect in all fairness?

Well when people jumped on a social media circle jerk without knowing that one the people they expect the state to look after was actually a scum bag who fled his own country, they shouldn't be expected to admit they should have waited for the full facts to emerge but instead double down.

Rubberchikken · 05-09-2017 07:14PM

Funny thing is I don't go around with an 'I told you so'aur.
Just naturally cynical. Saves time.

Plus, no sympathy cards here. Haven't time to waste.

Benjamin Buttons · 05-09-2017 07:15PM

Pussyhands wrote: »

Imagine standing outside somewhere in aid of a paedo.

Imagine kneeling inside somewhere in front of a paedo........every Sunday.

Yes, but I didn't know he was a paedo at the time.

Nor did the people who protested know that the homeless man who died was a paedo.
Simples.

Ipso · 05-09-2017 07:16PM

Benjamin Buttons wrote: »

Imagine kneeling inside somewhere in front of a paedo........every Sunday.

Yes, but I didn't know he was a paedo at the time.

Nor did the people who protested know that the homeless man who died was a paedo.
Simples.

They just assumed he died because he Irish government let it happen. Solving homelessness, not simples.

Galwayguy35 · 05-09-2017 07:16PM

mikeybrennan wrote: »

Ya but you get a lot of the lowest types bashing them too

Anyone slightly better than a paedo has licence to bash them

Put that shovel down and stop digging.

wakka12 · 05-09-2017 07:18PM

This shouldn't take away from the issue here which is the fact that homeless are living and dying like that homeless man did. The concern was not specifically or only for this one homeless man, it was for the homeless community at large

dresden8 · 05-09-2017 07:19PM

Are the homeless all paedos now?

gw80 · 05-09-2017 07:20PM

mikeybrennan wrote: »

Let the paedo bashing bandwagon begin rolling

Mehh!

05-09-2017 07:20PM

suicide_circus wrote:

He indecent assaulted two young girls, intentionally gave someone HIV and amassed 40 court convictions. I think we can cancel the charity concert.

Totally agree but sadly some posters actually seem happy that this man was such a monster.
It's a stick they will try use when taking down to/about the homeless situation. We already have posts using him to prove "what a big mistake Apollo House was" despite the fact that he was in several other shelters.
He was a monster. Possibly an evil man but that has no bearing on other homeless people, the homeless crisis

Ipso · 05-09-2017 07:22PM

dresden8 wrote: »

Are the homeless all paedos now?

No, but some people are more deserving of sympathy than others, and the Irish government should not be expected to look after other countries criminals.

Arsemageddon · 05-09-2017 07:23PM

Ipso wrote: »

No, but some people are more deserving of sympathy than others, and the Irish government should not be expected to look after other countries criminals.

Eh, pretty sure the fella was Irish and he was deported back here by the Aussies.

05-09-2017 07:25PM

Ipso wrote:

And a bunch of buskers taking over a building didn't solve it either.

You are right. Simon convey took over from Apollo House and homelessness ended July 2017. Oh wait, how did three homeless people die when we don't have a homelessness problem?
Scratching me head here

Benjamin Buttons · 05-09-2017 07:25PM

Ipso wrote: »

They just assumed he died because he Irish government let it happen. Solving homelessness, not simples.

Didn't say or suggest that solving homelessness was simple - though personally I'd start with a massive government program of house building.
I'm saying that the people who protested about homelessness and a homeless man dying on the streets didn't know that the man who died was a paedophile.
If you don't understand this then I'll use shorter words and bigger letters in the next one.
Thanks.

Ipso · 05-09-2017 07:27PM

Benjamin Buttons wrote: »

Didn't say or suggest that solving homelessness was simple - though personally I'd start with a massive government program of house building.
I'm saying that the people who protested about homelessness and a homeless man dying on the streets didn't know that the man who died was a paedophile.
If you don't understand this then I'll use shorter words and bigger letters in the next one.
Thanks.

Or if you want to get positive publicity to help with the homeless crisis then it's best not to get teary eyed over someone that most people won't be able to muster much sympathy for.

super_furry · 05-09-2017 07:30PM

Sure let all homeless people die now. You never know which one might have a nasty past.

Ipso · 05-09-2017 07:32PM

Or if the government won't step up then the vigilers can bring people in of the street.

05-09-2017 07:34PM

I love this comical notion that a homeless person dying is a consequence of being on the street.

You'd swear they froze to death on the streets of Moscow.

Maybe, just maybe they died because well... people die.
And maybe, just maybe, the fact that 99% are alcoholics/drug users had some sort of contribution to said death.

Streets or not, I'd bet that the deaths happen either way.

Benjamin Buttons · 05-09-2017 07:41PM

Ipso wrote: »

Or if you want to get positive publicity to help with the homeless crisis then it's best not to get teary eyed over someone that most people won't be able to muster much sympathy for.

A lot of protesters weren't at all teary-eyed and those who were would not have been if they had known that the man was a paedophile.
Can you really not see that, or are you just shít stirring for the sake of it?
Perhaps you're against street protests in general and are using this particular case in the hope that people might be wary or guarded about taking to the streets in future to oppose government policies?
What's your beef really?

wakka12 · 05-09-2017 07:43PM

gilberto_eire wrote: »

I love this comical notion that a homeless person dying is a consequence of being on the street.

You'd swear they froze to death on the streets of Moscow.

Maybe, just maybe they died because well... people die.
And maybe, just maybe, the fact that 99% are alcoholics/drug users had some sort of contribution to said death.

Streets or not, I'd bet that the deaths happen either way.

And whats with this notion that we shouldnt help somebody because their community suffers from very high rates of drug and alcohol abuse? Should we not be more motivated to help then, rather than kick them while theyre down

And it is not very common for relatively young men such as the man in the articlle to just drop dead

Ipso · 05-09-2017 07:47PM

I don't have a beef, just that homelessness will not be solved by the government throwing money at it and there is going to be things that the government just won't be able to fix. There are bigger issues like mental health and addiction.
This case will not help matters, also wasn't there a case recently where someone died and it emerged he was a heroin addict who wouldn't go to a shelter and then there was a "homeless" woman who refused a house because it wasn't in the right area for her.

05-09-2017 07:54PM

gilberto_eire wrote:

I love this comical notion that a homeless person dying is a consequence of being on the street.

Eh, he was asleep on a windowsill. It is believed that he fell off in his sleep. He crack his head on the ground. If he was not sleeping rough I honestly do believe that he would be alive today.
I don't know what happened to the lady in Cork but the poor mother of two in Dublin took her own life. She was offered a home & she accepted it. The council then withdrew the offer. They then offered her a boarded up place. The previous tenant took their own life there this place was such a kip. The neighbouring properties were boarded up. You wouldn't want your dog living there let alone a young mother with two small children. She politely declined. They threatened to remove her from the housing list if she did not take it. She accepted the accommodation & was due to move in.
Again I honestly believe that she would be alive too if she wasn't homeless

corner of hells · 05-09-2017 08:04PM

gilberto_eire wrote: »

I love this comical notion that a homeless person dying is a consequence of being on the street.

You'd swear they froze to death on the streets of Moscow.

Maybe, just maybe they died because well... people die.
And maybe, just maybe, the fact that 99% are alcoholics/drug users had some sort of contribution to said death.

Streets or not, I'd bet that the deaths happen either way.

99% are drug users / alcoholics ?
Where'd you get that info. ?

Ipso · 05-09-2017 08:08PM

This study has some numbers.
http://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/5950/

Benjamin Buttons · 05-09-2017 08:08PM

Ipso wrote: »

I don't have a beef, just that homelessness will not be solved by the government throwing money at it and there is going to be things that the government just won't be able to fix. There are bigger issues like mental health and addiction.
This case will not help matters, also wasn't there a case recently where someone died and it emerged he was a heroin addict who wouldn't go to a shelter and then there was a "homeless" woman who refused a house because it wasn't in the right area for her.

Homelessness, mental health problems and addiction are not mutually exclusive issues. Nor are they inextricably linked, the financial crisis and the government insisting that we bail out the banks didn't help, the housing crash leading to negative equity and evictions brought about by the banks - who we bailed out - didn't help either.
Homelessness is a big issue and a big deal, in fact it's a crisis.
The government need to know that we know it's a crisis, hence the protests.

gctest50 · 05-09-2017 08:10PM

gilberto_eire wrote: »

I love this comical notion that a homeless person dying is a consequence of being on the street.

You'd swear they froze to death on the streets of Moscow.

Maybe, just maybe they died because well... people die.

......

or maybe, just maybe concrete slab > murdering paedo scum skull

splat

Amalgam · 05-09-2017 08:12PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

His face is so familiar

A younger Henry Sellers?

I made the BBC!

Remember that dead homeless man people were concerned about? Turns out he was a nonce

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